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Resources for the proper pronunciation of Barbarous Names of the PGM

Nerone

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If any practitioners of the PGM could throw me a bone here, it would be tremendously appreciated - Koine Greek seems to be the way to go, but it's a huge field of study given that's it's also the language of the New Testament and Septuagint.

For practical purposes I'm mostly interested in the pronunciation, but I find myself overwhelmed in choosing a starting point
 

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I have found Practical Occult really helpful for this! They have some posts that show the IPA for names in various excerpts, like in this
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Also, Wikipedia has a section for
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so whenever I get around to learning Greek I will probably start with Koine and then use the Egyptian vowel pronunciation for PGM specific names.
 

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There are several threads about the correct pronounciation of barbarous names, look for 'pronunciation' in the heading (arrgh… I have mild OCD when it comes to spelling mistakes in thread titles, your own won't yield any results). Here's a pronounciation guide for the vowels of Attic Greek:

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It's a matter of conjecture whether the PGM authors used Greek script to describe sounds that were originally based on their own native Demotic or on their local variety of Koiné Greek. Scholars will even disagree on the proper pronounciation of Latin, for example 'c' as in 'caesar' – is it 'k', 'ts', or 'tch'? Jason Miller's solution was having a Greek native speaker pronounce an
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, a valid approach as any.

When in doubt, many authors recommend a 'Germanised' pronounciation for barbarous names or Qabalistic angels – take a look at Damon Brand's "The 72 Angels of Magick" and his pronounciation guide on p. 30, many other authors use the same system.


Many people would say it's the vowels that really count, and there's even a book called "The Mystery of the Seven Vowels In Theory and Practice" by Joscelyn Godwin in the Library. My personal theory is that the vowels correspond to the chakras, so that 'u' ('ooh' or however you'd like to express it in English) would be the root chakra and a high-pitched 'i' ('eeh') the crown chakra. My advice is to try a couple of version and see which one feels most powerful or resonates best with you.

English spelling itself is very inconsistent – why are 'though' and 'trough', or 'butcher' and 'but', pronounced so differently?
 
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