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Angelkesfarl

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Magic is neither a game nor a static system; it is a dynamic system that requires immersion. But don't forget that its use, in all cases, is fundamentally for generating purely material, worldly profits.

A girl who loves me.

That damn neighbor of mine stops spying on me.

My boss gives me paid leave.

Traveling to see the world requires money, otherwise what is the benefit?

If I wanted to immerse myself in other realms, I would need to embrace monasticism (asceticism), and I view that as merely a sophisticated escape from reality.
 

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Magic is neither a game nor a static system; it is a dynamic system that requires immersion. But don't forget that its use, in all cases, is fundamentally for generating purely material, worldly profits.
How about saying 'It depends on how its used'? Thats a more balanced take. Unless, thats how YOU see magick, which is fair, then own it. But the 'in all cases' talk, yeah thats projecting, and not true.

Look deeper into the LHP and RHP and you will see that there is much more there than material gain. Flattening magick into an absolute of material gain is small, and says a lot more than you intended.
 

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One thing I noticed recently is that I have tendencies to overwork myself magically or push myself hard in multiple magical projects, and I personally wouldn't notice it. I think there's something about modern culture where we can lose ourselves in the sauce and keep pushing thinking that this is the "new norm" even when we lay down on floor our body start fizzling and twitching out all that tension and stress accumulated from practice. It always come to me in a wave of 3-4 months where in the end I would be working on pure momentum, my rituals, and daily prayers are executed but my body and mind are worn out and I am not able to get more out of what I am doing.
I have the same thing going on here. It was a huge issue for some maybe 8-9 years of the practices. Always wanted to push the limits at any cost, no grounding, no chilling, applied more and more force to everything. I have always had this mindset in life that when you do something like a madman you will get further and it happens faster. I thought of some of the energy work as snake venom. "When you inject yourself enough, you will become immune". This actually turned out to be true with some stuff in the long run but the mind...

This led to a lot of problems, I remember being in a state of irritation, anger, no control over anything. The excessive energy with a totally open state, all energies passing through mind, reached a point where I had total instability 24/7.

A lot can go wrong when you do too much and a lot depends on the chosen path, what and how you are doing something. The mentor (if you have one), how and what he teaches and how he understands what you are going through.
Often it can be very hard to evaluate the situation as the line between good & bad, is very thin. The state can change incredibly fast.

Strange uncommon practices and of course the known common ones, mixing things, chaotic unstructured approach + quantity, lengthy sessions, no breaks, no cooldown = only a matter of time before something blows up.

There is a, not only mundane, reason why there is ORA et LABORA in the monastic life. The grounding part (labora, work) is a necessity for the spiritual part (Ora).
This might help but in some cases nothing happens no matter what you do. With those monastic methods you will have so much excessive energy that no matter what you do, it will not go away, unless you take actual breaks from the practices. These monks have daily services lasting 6-8 hours. Exploding energy levels and they do it every day. The eucharist itself gives a massive charge, active services.
I remember taking eucharist almost daily, along with the practices. The pain in head became unbearable. Even physical work that I did for a while did not lower the effects. :unsure:In the long run it was trial and error and the inject yourself with snake venom effect that solved it.
 

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I remember taking eucharist almost daily, along with the practices. The pain in head became unbearable. Even physical work that I did for a while did not lower the effects. :unsure:In the long run it was trial and error and the inject yourself with snake venom effect that solved it.
In the end everything boils down to trial and error and everyone has to find its own balance. It can be indeed a difficult process and everyone needs to build up differently.

(I am also a person who tends to burn out, but not so in magic. I have to face this on my musical/ instrumental path, with the same symptoms of losing myself and being in a state of irritation like you described)
 

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You already have a lot of good info here.

All I will add is that any intense mental exercise done without rest can lead to imbalances and problems. In Buddhism, meditation psychosis is a real thing that's rarely addressed because it's a very nuanced discussion about dis-personalization. Magic is similar, and it's much, much harder to get third party easy to spot physical confirmation of progress as you learn, and a lot of new practitioners want to speedrun the beginner phases.

Balance and moderation are your friend in any practice. Your brain can only learn 10-15 new words a day. You can't lose 20 pounds or gain 20 pounds of muscle being at the gym for 72 hours straight. Embrace the cyclical nature of life and learning.
 
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