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Sedim Haba

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I put this here in Controversy, because I know this is going to get messy.

How many members here are/were Jewish? It's a common enough expectation,

many Jews are alienated by the Judaism in their life and often become 'Seekers'.

and I add "are", because that's also common, as many Jews practice "Multiple Belonging"

lifestyles, just look at the
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. or are blended with Xianity thru marriage to

seek a blended faith, like with
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This I also have 1st hand experience with.

My story is tangential, as I am a 'Ger Tsedek', a convert to Judaism. First Orthodox,

then finally Reform, the only branch that seemed welcoming, seemed to not be determined

to make my life a living hell. And it is hell, being a convert to Judaism, for one simple

reason. They. don't. want. you. Why? I'd rather not go into that here. Suffice it to say

that every Ger has trauma. But, the social reality is the same in both. You are pariah.

I became a Jew to learn the deepest secrets of Lurianic Kabbalah. Mission succeeded.

Was it worth the price? absolutely not. I worked like hell to fit in. Pointless.

So, when my Jewish wife discovered my 'hiding in the broom closet' she divorced me.

On the spot. And just like that, I'm not a Jew anymore. No way I'm going into a Temple

without her. I remember all too well how I was treated. Nope. So, I moved father out.

No Temple anywhere near here. However, there was a Coven here. And I have deep Occult

roots, Kabbalah, right? So, now I'm in a new community, and here on this forum.

And now I am what's known as a 'Ger Toshav', a non-Jew who is 'acceptable' to Jews.

Lovely. The 'Noachide' community is where we are supposed to go, but it's a trap.


So, are/were YOU Jewish? A Ger perhaps? Post your story here, as I did.

(well, just the tip of the iceberg in my case, I didn't call it trauma for nothing)
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No one? I guess everyone here was born a witch, wizard, magician, sorcerer...
No one comes from another tradition.


But, I get it, I really do. In today's world, the Jew is the most hated of all.
You don't want to out yourself, even with the anonymity of the internet, even on an obscure corner of it like this.

I'll share with you what our rebbi always told us:

There's only two types of people who even care if your a Jew, and they will always figure it out eventually.
Another Jew, and the Antisemite. I am not an antisemite. (tho I do have issues with the Jewish establishment).

However, he didn't know there was a third kind who will know. The Entities I have met, they always know.
You can't hide Jewishness from them either. If you're a practitioner, you should know this. Shalom
 
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I hear you, and I’m sorry you went through that. I’m not sure I’m the right person to comment on the Judaism or community side of it because I’m not Jewish.

But when you ask “are/were you Jewish,” do you mean ethnically Jewish, religiously practicing, or formally converted? And could you explain some more about Ger Tzedek, Ger Toshav, and Noachide in the way you’re using them here? I hope you can clarify some more in this context, and what kind of responses are you looking for?
 

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Sammy Davis Jr. reportedly "converted" to Judaism, not sure how that went for better or worse though? I add this here merely for the sake of "illustration". For those who don't know Sammy Davis Jr. was an Afro-American actor, comedian, singer/dancer, I have no idea what he converted from, if anything? This was in a time frame when stuff like that was "controversial" to say the least!
 

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I hear you, and I’m sorry you went through that. I’m not sure I’m the right person to comment on the Judaism or community side of it because I’m not Jewish.
Thank you.

I hear you, and I’m sorry you went through that. I’m not sure I’m the right person to comment on the Judaism or community side of it because I’m not Jewish.

But when you ask “are/were you Jewish,” do you mean ethnically Jewish, religiously practicing, or formally converted? And could you explain some more about Ger Tzedek, Ger Toshav, and Noachide in the way you’re using them here? I hope you can clarify some more in this context, and what kind of responses are you looking for?

I guess all levels and 'flavors', there's as many types of Jew as there are Jews. The 'twice-a-year' secular

observers, all the way to the Ultra-Orthodox, and all of my fellow Gerim, no matter of how others see them.

See, I did it again, some Hebrew just is default in my brain. My definitions, and the wiki for those interested:

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: The Righteous Convert to Judaism, who comes of their own volition, with no ulterior motives.

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: The Proselyte of the Gate, who while not desiring to take on all the duties and responsibilities of

being a Jew (and they are a serious commitment, touching every single aspect of life) lives in the Jewish

community by choice, 'in the gate' as it were, a liminal space between.

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: well, that's everyone who isn't a Jew, one of the Goyim (which is simply the Hebrew word for Nations)

The term Noachide implies one who, while not Ger Toshav, still acknowledges lineage to Noah the Righteous in HIS generation.

AKA the Righteous of the Nations, who act with virtue and honesty. The Talmud expounds on the Seven Noachide Laws,

mostly derived from basic Human internal moral compass, (usually) not a direct revelation.

They are (in brief as possible, my own interpretation) They are all prohibitions, you don't 'do'.

Not to worship idols.

This is primarily statues that are seen as being actively worshiped as being the god itself, not a statue that is just decoration or a symbol of divine. I have statues on my Altar, for example. They are not an idol, IMHO.

Not to curse God.

Any God, really. This can extend all the way to the Human, who I see as made in the Image of God, a Divine Spark.

Not to commit murder.

This is about premeditated murder, not war, manslaughter, etc.

Not to commit adultery.

A complex topic, can be expanded but not here.

Not to steal.

Stealing premeditated, like a scale that is crooked too.

Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.

Basically concerns animal cruelty, but is far, far more complex, not for here.

To not to fail to establish courts of justice.

Don't live in anarchy, a must to enforce above laws. All reasonable laws, most would agree.

The main problem is the interpretations of these laws. The Rabbinate thinks that THEY are final arbiters.

How they think that humanity can accept these laws if they don't 'own' them is anyone's guess.

The final law certainly states that the Noachide does, so possession is for all the children of Noah. You and me.

The response I seek? I'm a Kabbalist, you can't really own it without the underpinnings that it rests on.

The Zohar, the Talmud, the Torah, these should have threads here in the Religion sub-forum. They are none.
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Sammy Davis Jr. reportedly "converted" to Judaism, not sure how that went for better or worse though? I add this here merely for the sake of "illustration". For those who don't know Sammy Davis Jr. was an Afro-American actor, comedian, singer/dancer, I have no idea what he converted from, if anything? This was in a time frame when stuff like that was "controversial" to say the least!

It still is controversial, in some quarters. I know, I lived it for four decades. As I state in the OP, trauma.
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Adding this channel for the Gerim here:

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Do you still consider yourself a Jew after your wife left ? Or is it that other Jews no longer consider you a Jew?
 
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