Summing up the Iran situation

[Beyond Everything]

3 options

1) The US looks for an off-ramp and cedes control of the Strait of Hormuz to Iran. This puts the dollar's hegemony in jeopardy. It also makes a nuclear war between Israel and Iran likelier down the line

2) The US does a full-scale invasion of Iran. Iran (with assistance from the Houthis) retaliates by decimating the oil infrastructure and desalinization plants of the Gulf states, leading to a mass migration and a worldwide economic depression.

3) The US continues the war as it is, roughly-speaking. This really starts impacting the world economy as oil becomes a true problem. For now, strategic reserves are being used and China has greatly cut back on imports. That can't last forever

So, the situation is completely fucked beyond repair at this point.

 

[PedroM]

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[Swampdweller900]

3 options

1) The US looks for an off-ramp and cedes control of the Strait of Hormuz to Iran. This puts the dollar's hegemony in jeopardy. It also makes a nuclear war between Israel and Iran likelier down the line

2) The US does a full-scale invasion of Iran. Iran (with assistance from the Houthis) retaliates by decimating the oil infrastructure and desalinization plants of the Gulf states, leading to a mass migration and a worldwide economic depression.

3) The US continues the war as it is, roughly-speaking. This really starts impacting the world economy as oil becomes a true problem. For now, strategic reserves are being used and China has greatly cut back on imports. That can't last forever

So, the situation is completely fucked beyond repair at this point.

Yeah, but that assumes planning and not the whims of someone that can't string together 4 sentences without slurring a word as the basis for decisions.

IMO, this will linger until it's well and truly worn out, and then when there's an opportunity to just quit and stop and ignore it all in favor of a new distraction, it'll all just go away. Let's recall that the "peace deal" (surrender) signed with the Taliban in Afghanistan was signed by T and had 1 year before it went into effect as a bet against the other old guy winning.

As for dollar hegemony, there's been a long-standing plan to implement something called the Mar-a-Lago Accords which would force US debt into an insane "you get paid out in 100 years, or never at all and we default on our debt" suicide pact with the rest of the world. Even if everyone agrees, it would cause the dollar to falter and lead to a global pump-and-dump scheme, just like we've seen with oil prices, crypto, etc. Personally, I don't think they have the guts or brains to even attempt it, as they're making more than enough with their other weekly scams.

 

[Rynnshng]

It can only end with the complete destruction of the location of Israel, or the idea of a homeland for Israel, who represent the irrational ideological aggressor that is incapable of stopping its holocausts - AND - the elevation of collective (global) awareness of magico-politics, which is the deceptive means by which the human race became entrapped in this miasma. The first because Israel is the cause of much planetary strife, and the second because they will try to build it again, so we must learn to see through the many ruses, re-interpret history with intelligence agencies and secret societies and appreciate their formidable role in turning us all into zombies while they perpetrate grievous harms. The latter of which is the forte of my Temple and its current, and to an extent hundreds of thousands of others voicing concerns as this juggernaut has unfolded over a few thousand years, including the Order of Nine Angles who have attempted to raise consciousness of magico-politics (sans the term) for decades, as have many who antedate them.

The failure to raise consciousness in time given the Magi's thousand-year or so headstart to control forms, has finally manifest in today's geopolitical quagmire with rational analysts entombed by using and influencing others to adopt Realism as a way to understand what has happened - failing to appreciate the levels of magic, faith, religion that drive it. Its denigration of 'goyim' is the enshrined license for racism that lets atrocity run rampant, while its shrill persecution complex of antisemitism is the lunacy that counterpoints it. Only we can be racist, they say, and enforce. It's incompatible with modern values and the international system of the world and will kill us all, as time, opportunity and strategy permits.

The University I attended, Swinburne, and at least 20 others in Australia, alone, accepted payments from Zionist Lobbies to ban anyone from calling for the destruction of Israel. Naturally.

 

[Beyond Everything]

Yeah, but that assumes planning and not the whims of someone that can't string together 4 sentences without slurring a word as the basis for decisions.

Not really, the consequences of his whims can still be slotted into one of the 3 categories I listed

IMO, this will linger until it's well and truly worn out, and then when there's an opportunity to just quit and stop and ignore it all in favor of a new distraction, it'll all just go away.

It's not 'going away'. The ramifications will keep reverberating.

Personally, I don't think they have the guts or brains to even attempt it, as they're making more than enough with their other weekly scams.

Agreed there

The first because Israel is the cause of much planetary strife,

Israel is an obvious instigator in the middle east, but if every Israeli vanished tomorrow, Russia and Ukraine, India and Pakistan, China and Tibet/Taiwan, Yemen civil war and the numerous other African conflicts would still be going on. I mean, maybe read some middle eastern history pre Zionism so you know a little bit about what you're talking about?

lol The ONA is against planetary strife? I've read its goofy teachings and it encourages violence and chaos and human sacrifice as tools, so this is a weird contention.

 

[reverendsteveii]

3 options

1) The US looks for an off-ramp and cedes control of the Strait of Hormuz to Iran. This puts the dollar's hegemony in jeopardy. It also makes a nuclear war between Israel and Iran likelier down the line

2) The US does a full-scale invasion of Iran. Iran (with assistance from the Houthis) retaliates by decimating the oil infrastructure and desalinization plants of the Gulf states, leading to a mass migration and a worldwide economic depression.

3) The US continues the war as it is, roughly-speaking. This really starts impacting the world economy as oil becomes a true problem. For now, strategic reserves are being used and China has greatly cut back on imports. That can't last forever

So, the situation is completely fucked beyond repair at this point.

4) An ongoing conflict is considered better for purposes of propaganda and invoking domestic wartime powers on a semi-permanent basis, and insiders continue to leverage the effect of military status updates on local markets in order to effectively turn the war into a wealth transfer by coordinating with the white house about when announcements are made and what they contain. Every thursday the US defeats Iran, and every Monday those dastardly Iranians refuse to accept their defeat. Every Wednesday party insiders close their short positions and buy long positions on various commodities, then every Friday they liquidate those long positions and buy shorts for the same commodities.

 

[Rynnshng]

Someone who nihilistically quips "So, the situation is completely fucked beyond repair at this point." should not be lecturing others with the imagination to see the way through. Your solutions are low-level dead ends that imagine ideal scenarios of fixed variables - that's not how magic or politics works.

 

[Beyond Everything]

Someone who nihilistically quips "So, the situation is completely fucked beyond repair at this point." should not be lecturing others with the imagination to see the way through. Your solutions are low-level dead ends that imagine ideal scenarios of fixed variables - that's not how magic or politics works.

lol You think Israel disappearing would solve the Sunni-Shiite conflict and make Yemen a peaceful paradise. You're not 'seeing the way through' and doing little goofy ONA rituals is not going to alter the downward course of human civilization. BTW Israel is not going to just disappear, if their existence were threatened they'd resort to nukes, as is their explicit doctrine. So you have no grasp of realpolitik and in lieu of learning about the world you're feeding on 'occult' texts from clowns.

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4) An ongoing conflict is considered better for purposes of propaganda and invoking domestic wartime powers on a semi-permanent basis, and insiders continue to leverage the effect of military status updates on local markets in order to effectively turn the war into a wealth transfer by coordinating with the white house about when announcements are made and what they contain. Every thursday the US defeats Iran, and every Monday those dastardly Iranians refuse to accept their defeat. Every Wednesday party insiders close their short positions and buy long positions on various commodities, then every Friday they liquidate those long positions and buy shorts for the same commodities.

4 is included in 3. Personal profit is not going to preempt a larger disaster

 

[reverendsteveii]

lol You think Israel disappearing would solve the Sunni-Shiite conflict and make Yemen a peaceful paradise. You're not 'seeing the way through' and doing little goofy ONA rituals is not going to alter the downward course of human civilization. BTW Israel is not going to just disappear, if their existence were threatened they'd resort to nukes, as is their explicit doctrine. So you have no grasp of realpolitik and in lieu of learning about the world you're feeding on 'occult' texts from clowns.

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4 is included in 3. Personal profit is not going to preempt a larger disaster

I just wanted to clarify that the war going on indefinitely isn't a failure to plan, or the war not going to plan, it's the plan.

 

[Rynnshng]

Yes. And to accept that premise, means accepting that there is a layer/element of deliberate theatre or magic to the politics. Which requires a stage and actors and a script - which is to propose an alternative reality exists to what people are seeing as real-time warfare logistics and changes. Which, many don't see, due to the effective nature of propaganda and media control. Yet our shared friend calls it 'Realpolitik'.

I see and which ONA rituals do you imagine I am performing, and where does your information of Israel's nuclear program derive considering they are the only power to have an ambiguous disclosure policy?

 

[FireBorn]

So, the situation is completely fucked beyond repair at this point.

Repair? Who said anything about repair? Strange assumption.

Name one major conflict where the United States went back afterward and repaired what it broke. Endless conflict props up the machinery, baby. Terrorism isn’t sexy anymore, so apparently we need a new boogeyman. The beat goes on. Get with the times, man.

Seriously, though, I don’t follow the daily news very closely because most of it is noise, theater, and breathless speculation. Looking at the larger pattern, I expect this to continue for years: hot, then cold, then hot again whenever it becomes useful.

It’ll make excellent seasoning for the next presidential election cycle. You always need something happening somewhere. If everyone is staring at the right hand, they might not notice what the left hand is doing.

There’s also the broader requirement that the United States maintain the appearance of unquestioned superpower status. Empires run partly on force and partly on everyone continuing to believe in that force. There’s a reputation to uphold, markets to reassure, alliances to discipline, and a fiat currency system tied to that global position.

The beat goes on. I never said it was a good beat. I only said it was the beat. You don’t get to choose the music, only whether you dance along with it. There’s probably an individual lesson buried in there somewhere.

Mostly, I hope ancient sites and irreplaceable artifacts aren’t destroyed over this silly shit. And I feel for the ordinary people caught in the middle, because they’re the ones who will pay for decisions made by people safely removed from the consequences.

 

[Beyond Everything]

Repair? Who said anything about repair? Strange assumption.

Name one major conflict where the United States went back afterward and repaired what it broke.

That's not what I meant by repair. I mean the entire structure of the world economy.

There’s also the broader requirement that the United States maintain the appearance of unquestioned superpower status. Empires run partly on force and partly on everyone continuing to believe in that force. There’s a reputation to uphold, markets to reassure, alliances to discipline, and a fiat currency system tied to that global position.

That unquestioned status has been completely shot this year. The US is unable to protect Gulf assets- oil and natural gas infrastructure, nor protect the Strait of Hormuz. So that can't be repaired, as I said, along with many other things and it will be more obvious in the not-too-distant future and affect everyone. As I psychically predicted on this site in November and people doubted- big trouble is on the way

 

[Rynnshng]

So, you're psychic, and that's how you are the only civilian to know that Israel definitely have nuclear capabilities. OK, I understand now. And that's how you know I perform "ONA rituals" because I mentioned ONA in an entirely unrelated context - you're not just making things up that you believe to be true based on your prejudices, you actually have the power to see through the screen into my soul and psychically map my historical activities. Damn man, you best be careful the other nuclear powers don't prize you for your sagely gifts and kidnap you, an accurate seer would be the CIA/FSB's wet dream...

 

[reverendsteveii]

So, you're psychic, and that's how you are the only civilian to know that Israel definitely have nuclear capabilities.

Israel's nuclear program is such a well-known open secret that it's often used as the example that defines the term "open secret".

 

[Rynnshng]

Israel's nuclear program is such a well-known open secret that it's often used as the example that defines the term "open secret".

Known by whom? Be specific.

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Kindly illustrate where it is established and proven Israel have nuclear weapons. Because it's funny how so many are so sure, just like they were with Iraq. Or Iran. Curious.

Randomly picking this document also uses hedging terms such as 'widely believed, speculated, could be, unconfirmed reporting' and 'unknown'. Saying or claiming 'it is widely believed' is as credible as Iraq having WMD (which it didn't). Yet it seems together you two are some kind of superior military intelligentsia able to decisively inform the world of nation's nuclear capabilities. Impressive. You should apply for jobs at centre for arms control and non-proliferation. Or you could both stop talking out of your asses.

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[Beyond Everything]

Kindly illustrate where it is established and proven Israel have nuclear weapons. Because it's funny how so many are so sure, just like they were with Iraq. Or Iran. Curious.

The two situations are not remotely comparable. Your link discusses ambiguities, not doubt positively expressed about Israel having nukes. at all You can find a whole slew of other and more well-known geopolitical think tanks on all parts of the ideological spectrum that take it as a given that Israel has nukes

No one actually claimed Iraq had a nuclear weapon, the (false) claim had to do with their nuclear program btw.

You can't seem to grasp, however, that Israel existing or not existing has no bearing on other nations pursuing their geopolitical ambitions through conflict- including in the middle east. If you read some history and not some stupid occult tracts you'd understand that

Anyway, you mentioned the ONA, and it's true Im not familiar with your particular little group but I do know your implied work to alter the course of the world is what we'd call quixotic

 

[Rynnshng]

No. Not "no-one". You. You claimed it. A few posts ago.
You said: "BTW Israel is not going to just disappear, if their existence were threatened they'd resort to nukes, as is their explicit doctrine."
I'll give up on trying to wrest meaningful dialogue from you. I don't think you're capable of it. But I'm sure you knew that already, being psychic.

 

[Beyond Everything]

No. Not "no-one". You. You claimed it. A few posts ago.

I claimed Iraq had a nuclear weapon? You're mistaken in what I typed

No. Not "no-one". You. You claimed it. A few posts ago.
You said: "BTW Israel is not going to just disappear, if their existence were threatened they'd resort to nukes, as is their explicit doctrine."

The Samson Option it's called. And Israel has no problem going scorched earth in Gaza, so they would resort to nukes if their existence was threatened. EVERY diplomat, recognized arms expert, other governments, nuclear experts work on the assumption that Israel has nukes. There was what is considered to be a nuclear test by Israel in 1979 as well. You're arguing a stance with nothing to back it up.

 

[Rynnshng]

says a psychic. Go ahead, let's see some concrete evidence for your psychic ability.

Listen, if you don't like your beliefs insulted however tenuous and reliant to reinforce by copious thumbs up from an equally vapid sycophant, don't sling hash first, man. I'm not impressed by your pretense that you meant something else; what you said was patently wrong, and your recovery is to claim that my interpretation of what you said is faulty.

Meh.

 

[Beyond Everything]

says a psychic. Go ahead, let's see some concrete evidence for your psychic ability.

Listen, if you don't like your beliefs insulted however tenuous and reliant to reinforce by copious thumbs up from an equally vapid sycophant, don't sling hash first, man. I'm not impressed by your pretense that you meant something else; what you said was patently wrong, and your recovery is to claim that my interpretation of what you said is faulty.

Meh.

lol you tried to draw an equivalence to the claims of Iraq's nuclear program with Israel having nukes. You can go look up Israel's nuclear test from 1979 if you want to actually be informed rather than run your beliefs based on emotion.