[Opinion] 卐 Swastika 卐

[ArchonLynx]

I hate how people don't fully understand the meaning behind this symbol & get triggered seeing it instantly without knowing it's actual purpose or meaning.

The symbol is originally hindu it does not represent hatred or racism at all history as always corrupts ancient knowledge & such.

I was wondering if anyone here uses the symbol on there altars or engrave it on there tools I'm curious to see the opinions of this post & see if anyone is triggered for no reason.

This is a purely positive symbol representing balance if it bothers you, your brainwashed

 

[TransGothGirl]

I would argue that the way a symbol is used affects and changes its meaning. Yes, it's historically been used as a symbol of good fortune, balance, and all sorts of other good things. It has ALSO been historically used as a symbol of hatred, fascism, and genocide.

Symbols are not unchangeable things handed down to humanity from a greater power. Symbols are created by humans and hold only the meanings given to them. Given that the swastika has been given both meanings, it holds both meanings.

If you're using it in its original context, with respect to the cultures it came from, and practicing within those cultures, that's fine. But it's ridiculous and closed-minded to call anyone who sees it as a symbol of hate "brainwashed." Your point of view requires you to completely ignore a large and important part of human history, and as dark and evil as that part of history is, it's still important to acknowledge it and its effects.

Furthermore, the use of this symbol by the Nazis is not exclusively the domain of history. It happens in the modern day too. When there are groups actively using this symbol to represent themselves and preaching hate, bigotry, fascism, and genocide under its banner, it's completely irresponsible to ignore that meaning. Modern neo-Nazi groups still use this symbol.

 

[ArchonLynx]

I would argue that the way a symbol is used affects and changes its meaning. Yes, it's historically been used as a symbol of good fortune, balance, and all sorts of other good things. It has ALSO been historically used as a symbol of hatred, fascism, and genocide.

Symbols are not unchangeable things handed down to humanity from a greater power. Symbols are created by humans and hold only the meanings given to them. Given that the swastika has been given both meanings, it holds both meanings.

If you're using it in its original context, with respect to the cultures it came from, and practicing within those cultures, that's fine. But it's ridiculous and closed-minded to call anyone who sees it as a symbol of hate "brainwashed." Your point of view requires you to completely ignore a large and important part of human history, and as dark and evil as that part of history is, it's still important to acknowledge it and its effects.

Furthermore, the use of this symbol by the Nazis is not exclusively the domain of history. It happens in the modern day too. When there are groups actively using this symbol to represent themselves and preaching hate, bigotry, fascism, and genocide under its banner, it's completely irresponsible to ignore that meaning. Modern neo-Nazi groups still use this symbol.

People who use it today for hate are neo Nazis & they are brainwashed into a ideology that they adopted from history without actually knowing the original history of a symbol to me that's being brainwashed a original meaning out weights any ignorant group using it for hate. That's my opinion of it a certain group or person can't ruin a symbol it's up to each individual to do the research of the meaning before just hating it. It's what religious people do to the pentagram or witches do to the cross its just a gap of misinformation that spreads.

I personally always go to the origin of things not what it was used for or corrupted due to certain groups that creates incoherent meaning & purpose of things.


Yes if your white & hatful & use the symbol your obviously a piece of shit. But that still shouldn't trigger anyone and if it does that only means you need to do more shadow work & figure out why it bothers u.

I'm of Jewish descent myself & have no issue with this symbol

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This post is meant to trigger people & I'm not a racist or anything I'm a mixed & do not support white supremacy I just feel like people are being restricted from using & show casing a symbol due to history & I personally don't think that's right.

I do apologize if my point is hard to see

 

[Firetree]

I hate how people don't fully understand the meaning behind this symbol & get triggered seeing it instantly without knowing it's actual purpose or meaning.

The symbol is originally from Sintashta and Andronovo Cultures it does not originate in Hinduism at all . People, as always, corrupt ancient history ... when they cite from the internet.

I was wondering if anyone here uses the symbol on there altars or engrave it on there tools because they ignored later associations , which just every person on the planet knows as NAZI .

 

[ArchonLynx]

I hate how people don't fully understand the meaning behind this symbol & get triggered seeing it instantly without knowing it's actual purpose or meaning.

The symbol is originally from Sintashta and Andronovo Cultures it does not originate in Hinduism at all . People, as always, corrupt ancient history ... when they cite from the internet.

I was wondering if anyone here uses the symbol on there altars or engrave it on there tools because they ignored later associations , which just every person on the planet knows as NAZI .

You are partially correct on that but it's part of the hindu culture & I thank you for bringing it up it shows a lot of who people are

 

[Firetree]

Damn Indo Europeans .... stole the Swastika from off a neolithic pot they did !

 

[ArchonLynx]

Damn Indo Europeans .... stole the Swastika from off a neolithic pot they did !

Yes it's a sad thing & idk why we are policed on everything 1964 is closer than people think the thought police will be a thing soon & we won't even have freedom of thought

 

[darkphoenix]

The swastika has been used in unchanged positive usage for minimum 5,000 years, if not longer. The swastika is on the bricks of the falsely named "Indus Valley Civilization" (aka Vedic India).

Jews lived in India under the rule of Hindu kings for 2,000 years without once - NOT ONCE - experiencing discrimination. Indian Jews saw the swastika every single day for 2,000 years as they walked to work, to the bazaar, or to their friends house. Jews in India were not restricted from any profession or from any neighborhood. Jews in India served in business, in the military, and even in the courts of Indian kings. In fact, an Indian Jew was also one of the earliest actresses in Bollywood.

Then white people discover us and invent the "Aryan race", a complete fucking fabrication based on their terror at realizing how unthinkably ancient India is and how horrific it might be that Sanskrit originated the "Indo-European" language family, and everything goes to hell for the first time.

I have immense disgust and disdain for everyone who continues to conflate the Indian swastika, which exclusively belongs to Hindus, Jews, and Buddhists (Sikhs have the right to use it but typically don't), with Nazi Germany and white people's obsession with the fictional "Aryan race". Yes, I'm looking at all of you occultists who buy into that Aryan shit, many of you white supremacists are right here on this forum.

I have immense disgust and disdain for everyone who continues to conflate the Indian swastika with various pinwheel symbols from other country.

Not only was our unique crooked cross appropriated, but so was its beautiful and auspicious Sanskrit name.

And the Palestinians, who viciously hate Hindus and talk shit about our polytheist practices, till today have the rank audacity to draw swastikas on doors to "shame" Jews. They should just slap themselves because they are the ones who are being revealed and shamed here.

It is beyond unacceptable that the entirety of Indian history has been perverted and appropriated over the course of 100-150 years (since Victorians invented the "Aryan race" theory), and now a bunch of self-righteous fools think that This Is The Way Things Have Always Been. I have been disgusted by Western Pagans who have told me to my face that the swastika will never be "redeemed" in my lifetime, while they fucking go ahead and USE it in their Norse rituals.

Fuck all of you who perpetuate this lie. I previously actually shared Hindu books on this forum. Want to know why I deleted my MEGA links? Because I saw the racists. I saw what kind of people are out there and what kind of agendas they have towards my heritage.

 

[ArchonLynx]

The swastika has been used in unchanged positive usage for minimum 5,000 years, if not longer. The swastika is on the bricks of the falsely named "Indus Valley Civilization" (aka Vedic India).

Jews lived in India under the rule of Hindu kings for 2,000 years without once - NOT ONCE - experiencing discrimination. Indian Jews saw the swastika every single day for 2,000 years as they walked to work, to the bazaar, or to their friends house. Jews in India were not restricted from any profession or from any neighborhood. Jews in India served in business, in the military, and even in the courts of Indian kings. In fact, an Indian Jew was also one of the earliest actresses in Bollywood.

Then white people discover us and invent the "Aryan race", a complete fucking fabrication based on their terror at realizing how unthinkably ancient India is and how horrific it might be that Sanskrit originated the "Indo-European" language family, and everything goes to hell for the first time.

I have immense disgust and disdain for everyone who continues to conflate the Indian swastika, which exclusively belongs to Hindus, Jews, and Buddhists (Sikhs have the right to use it but typically don't), with Nazi Germany and white people's obsession with the fictional "Aryan race". Yes, I'm looking at all of you occultists who buy into that Aryan shit, many of you white supremacists are right here on this forum.

I have immense disgust and disdain for everyone who continues to conflate the Indian swastika with various pinwheel symbols from other country.

Not only was our unique crooked cross appropriated, but so was its beautiful and auspicious Sanskrit name.

And the Palestinians, who viciously hate Hindus and talk shit about our polytheist practices, till today have the rank audacity to draw swastikas on doors to "shame" Jews. They should just slap themselves because they are the ones who are being revealed and shamed here.

It is beyond unacceptable that the entirety of Indian history has been perverted and appropriated over the course of 100-150 years (since Victorians invented the "Aryan race" theory), and now a bunch of self-righteous fools think that This Is The Way Things Have Always Been. I have been disgusted by Western Pagans who have told me to my face that the swastika will never be "redeemed" in my lifetime, while they fucking go ahead and USE it in their Norse rituals.

Fuck all of you who perpetuate this lie. I previously actually shared Hindu books on this forum. Want to know why I deleted my MEGA links? Because I saw the racists. I saw what kind of people are out there and what kind of agendas they have towards my heritage.

I agree it is completely disgusting how they corrupted the truth & inserted hated & lies to prevent it from being used openly. It's sad how it's mostly either hated or used by the wrong groups to display hate & pride.

 

[darkphoenix]

I wrote "Hindus, Jews, and Buddhists" when I meant to write "Hindus, Jains, and Buddhists", and can't edit my post. Guess that's the effect of all my pent-up anger coming out after keeping my silence on this subject.

 

[ArchonLynx]

I wrote "Hindus, Jews, and Buddhists" when I meant to write "Hindus, Jains, and Buddhists", and can't edit my post. Guess that's the effect of all my pent-up anger coming out after keeping my silence on this subject.

I feel you this age has completely corrupted everything from the past & the normal person is living backwards with no true knowledge...

People don't realize they are already living in the apocalypse it started around the 1400's we are a fallen species with no knowledge of self.

It's like we've become a species with amnesia

 

[darkphoenix]

The fact that a Neo-Nazi replied to this thread disengaging the swastika from its Hindu origins, and that this person and many like him have posts all over this forum without being banned, tells you how normalized this amnesia has become. The only other viewpoint you got was from an equally brainwashed leftist who thinks Neo-Nazis are the only people who use swastikas.

I'm logging out again. The occult community deserves to burn to ashes.

 

[ArchonLynx]

The fact that a Neo-Nazi replied to this thread disengaging the swastika from its Hindu origins, and that this person and many like him have posts all over this forum without being banned, tells you how normalized this amnesia has become. The only other viewpoint you got was from an equally brainwashed leftist who thinks Neo-Nazis are the only people who use swastikas.

I'm logging out again. The occult community deserves to burn to ashes.

A small % exist & it's sad how even here people have hate & we are suppose to be wise & knowledgeable. It's hard to escape the corruption it has seeped into every area of human reality.

To many new age magicians writing books with half ass knowledge & these baby witches never read the ancient origins of anything they find a occultist that's edgy & follow them

 

[Ananda]

Disregard anything @Firetree has to say about the Vedic religion. He doesn't have a clue.

"If something is ancient, extraordinary or foundational, somehow it must have originated in Europe or at the very least be explained through a European lens."

 

[TransGothGirl]

The fact that a Neo-Nazi replied to this thread disengaging the swastika from its Hindu origins, and that this person and many like him have posts all over this forum without being banned, tells you how normalized this amnesia has become. The only other viewpoint you got was from an equally brainwashed leftist who thinks Neo-Nazis are the only people who use swastikas.

I'm logging out again. The occult community deserves to burn to ashes.

I didn't say Neo-Nazis are the only people who use this symbol. If that's what you got from my comment, your reading comprehension is absolute shit.

What I said is that the swastika has genuine, good, positive uses, and that within the cultural practices in which it has those meanings it should continue to be used. However, it should also be acknowledged that Neo-Nazis do in fact still use that symbol to spread hatred, and so it's not unreasonable for people to get antsy about seeing it. The fact of the matter is that this symbol has two sets of meanings in our modern day, and pretending like the meaning of hate just doesn't exist because it's not the original meaning of the swastika is irresponsible and an erasure of both history and modern issues.

It's honestly kind of insane that you got "only Neo-Nazis use the swastika" from that. It really speaks to your insistence on ignoring that part of history.

 

[solxyz]

Although the use of the swastika is prevalent in Indian religion (not just Hinduism), the symbol actually shows up around the world, including in ancient Chinese, African, and Native American sacred arts.

The Indus Valley civilization was not Vedic.

I support taking the symbol back, but we have to be careful about how we do that. It is going to be a slow process. I work in a tradition which employs the symbol in its traditional sense and usage, and find it a powerful and valuable symbol to use in this way, but I also don't want to give cover to neo-nazi fucks who want be able to pretend that they are using it in a pre-20th century sense when really they are getting off on flying their hate flag. I also don't want to scare or traumatize peoples who are justly afraid of what the symbol portends.

 

[Ananda]

Solxys wrote:

The Indus Valley civilization was not Vedic.

Another clueless expert on indian history above.

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From the Government of India:
One of the most powerful symbols of India’s unbroken civilizational continuity!

Discovered at Mohenjo-daro in undivided India this steatite seal, about 4,300-year-old, shows a seated figure in yogic posture (widely seen as Shiva-Pashupati) seated in Mulabandhasana, surrounded by animals.

While ancient sites may lie across modern borders, India remains the living custodian of this heritage. The yogic posture, Shaivite symbolism, and spiritual ethos seen in the Pashupati Seal continue to thrive in India’s temples, daily worship of Shiva, yogic traditions, and cultural life even today.

From the Vedic period to contemporary Bharat, this civilizational thread has remained alive and unbroken — deeply embedded in our philosophy, rituals, and collective consciousness.
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"The seal creators, the ancient Indians, were much smarter than these fake professors. They put a Rhino, an Elephant, and a Tiger together on the seal along with a Yoga pose to ensure it is not appropriated by such charlatans saying it is from Elam (Iran) or the West or China.

Now see them invent reasons in their universities, publish papers, and tell Indians how Iran had Tigers, Elephants, and Rhinos. And how all three came to India from Europe, Arabia, and China."

 

[prwizz19]

I agree with you.

 

[solxyz]

The Indian government is unfortunately not an honest source for information on Indian history. I don't know if you have just been innocently misled, or if you are also active partisan in an attempt to recast history to suit a rather lame political agenda.

If you go to the Chronology section in Wikipedia page on the Indus Valley Civ (

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), you will note that the Vedic period begins only in the post-Harappan period.

The relationship between Shiva and the seated, animal-surrounded Harappan figure is entirely speculative. Personally, I suspect that there is indeed a connection, but that just means that Harappan culture also fed into what became post-Vedic culture.

 

[ArchonLynx]

Samarra bowl was from the Sumerian age they to used the symbol so if we are comparing ages of the symbol & origin than it's a Sumerian created symbol from 4000BC it could be even older than that.

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