[Opinion] 卐 Swastika 卐

[akenu]

Yes it's a sad thing & idk why we are policed on everything 1964 is closer than people think the thought police will be a thing soon & we won't even have freedom of thought

Did you mean 1984?

 

[ArchonLynx]

Did you mean 1984?

Sure did lol didn't even notice I wrote 1964 haha good catch

 

[a3ct]

I would argue that the way a symbol is used affects and changes its meaning. Yes, it's historically been used as a symbol of good fortune, balance, and all sorts of other good things. It has ALSO been historically used as a symbol of hatred, fascism, and genocide.

Symbols are not unchangeable things handed down to humanity from a greater power. Symbols are created by humans and hold only the meanings given to them. Given that the swastika has been given both meanings, it holds both meanings.

If you're using it in its original context, with respect to the cultures it came from, and practicing within those cultures, that's fine. But it's ridiculous and closed-minded to call anyone who sees it as a symbol of hate "brainwashed." Your point of view requires you to completely ignore a large and important part of human history, and as dark and evil as that part of history is, it's still important to acknowledge it and its effects.

Furthermore, the use of this symbol by the Nazis is not exclusively the domain of history. It happens in the modern day too. When there are groups actively using this symbol to represent themselves and preaching hate, bigotry, fascism, and genocide under its banner, it's completely irresponsible to ignore that meaning. Modern neo-Nazi groups still use this symbol.

@TransGothGirl Thank you for your insightful answer. What would you say is the esoteric current behind a symbol's energy? A change in the egregore?

 

[Ananda]

The Indian government is unfortunately not an honest source for information on Indian history. I don't know if you have just been innocently misled, or if you are also active partisan in an attempt to recast history to suit a rather lame political agenda.

I started practicing 'Hinduism' after I was granted a certain increased perceptive ability after a vipassana retreat. I can perceive the special energy of indian cattle (which are considered to be worthy of worship) from a pic on the internet, which is what led me back to Hinduism. I can tell the difference between the energies of Islam and Christianity. And also the marked difference between Nordic runes and 'Hindu' symbols. I can also tell that the land of India has a distinct energy to it that makes mantras feel stronger and kundalini energy to rise spontaneously.

Therefore, no, I don't give a fuck what the latest theory of the pink 'scholars' and their brown sepoys is. They used to claim that there was an 'aryan invasion' around 1500 BCE, but that has been debunked. No idea about their latest BS.

If you think the current Indian government has a 'lame political' agenda, consider the downright demonic agenda of the European diaspora, and other groups. Malevolent spiritual forces which influence the Epstein class in power all over the world wish to destroy Hinduism. The easiest way to do so is to convince the Indians that their religion was forcibly introduced to them by foreigners. Their 'scholars' produce propaganda, and the average pink egotist (from my experiences in N.America, at least 50 percent of them are malicious egotists who consider anyone darker as somewhat subhuman), repeats it online, while having no interest in preserving the religion.

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Sorry about the animosity in my post. I would edit it if I could.

 

[Firetree]

The swastika has been used in unchanged positive usage for minimum 5,000 years, if not longer. The swastika is on the bricks of the falsely named "Indus Valley Civilization" (aka Vedic India).

Jews lived in India under the rule of Hindu kings for 2,000 years without once - NOT ONCE - experiencing discrimination. Indian Jews saw the swastika every single day for 2,000 years as they walked to work, to the bazaar, or to their friends house. Jews in India were not restricted from any profession or from any neighborhood. Jews in India served in business, in the military, and even in the courts of Indian kings. In fact, an Indian Jew was also one of the earliest actresses in Bollywood.

Then white people discover us and invent the "Aryan race", a complete fucking fabrication based on their terror at realizing how unthinkably ancient India is and how horrific it might be that Sanskrit originated the "Indo-European" language family, and everything goes to hell for the first time.

I have immense disgust and disdain for everyone who continues to conflate the Indian swastika, which exclusively belongs to Hindus, Jews, and Buddhists (Sikhs have the right to use it but typically don't), with Nazi Germany and white people's obsession with the fictional "Aryan race". Yes, I'm looking at all of you occultists who buy into that Aryan shit, many of you white supremacists are right here on this forum.

I have immense disgust and disdain for everyone who continues to conflate the Indian swastika with various pinwheel symbols from other country.

Not only was our unique crooked cross appropriated, but so was its beautiful and auspicious Sanskrit name.

And the Palestinians, who viciously hate Hindus and talk shit about our polytheist practices, till today have the rank audacity to draw swastikas on doors to "shame" Jews. They should just slap themselves because they are the ones who are being revealed and shamed here.

It is beyond unacceptable that the entirety of Indian history has been perverted and appropriated over the course of 100-150 years (since Victorians invented the "Aryan race" theory), and now a bunch of self-righteous fools think that This Is The Way Things Have Always Been. I have been disgusted by Western Pagans who have told me to my face that the swastika will never be "redeemed" in my lifetime, while they fucking go ahead and USE it in their Norse rituals.

Fuck all of you who perpetuate this lie. I previously actually shared Hindu books on this forum. Want to know why I deleted my MEGA links? Because I saw the racists. I saw what kind of people are out there and what kind of agendas they have towards my heritage.

Sorry but the historic. linguistic, archaeological and genetic evidence far overules any Indian nationalist ranting on the issue of the Indus Valley Civilisation being aptly named ( as it was a civilisation and it was in the Indus Valley ! ) , the vedas clearly being composed way before the writers of it ever set foot in the Indus valley and the issue of IE languages .

I have EVER only heard this type of rant from Indian nationalists , not from anyone or anywhere else in the world .

And now ... insisting YOU ( who ever 'you' are ... meaning you seem to be claiming you have some presence or connection to IVC ) and 'your' swastika is owned by 'Indians' only and everyone else ripped it off ... even people that used it historically before them .

However I am sure any such science, academic study and writing or any proof is gonna make a difference against any nationalistic patriotic fueled ranting .... because ranting is the way to go nowadays .

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The fact that a Neo-Nazi replied to this thread disengaging the swastika from its Hindu origins, and that this person and many like him have posts all over this forum without being banned, tells you how normalized this amnesia has become. The only other viewpoint you got was from an equally brainwashed leftist who thinks Neo-Nazis are the only people who use swastikas.

I'm logging out again. The occult community deserves to burn to ashes.

Nope . A simple cross with an angeled end on each arm , is one of the odest symboils .... no one owns it .... not even those Indians that created 1/2 the worlds languages and spread civilisation everywhere since year 1

In a way , its like a soft expression of what the Nazis were claiming about Aryans and Germans .

if people are not aware of this Indian nationalist fallcy ... here you go ;

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Disregard anything @Firetree has to say about the Vedic religion. He doesn't have a clue.

"If something is ancient, extraordinary or foundational, somehow it must have originated in Europe or at the very least be explained through a European lens."

I suggest people regard THAT statement . IVC did not originate in Europe . I also study ( and have friends that still practice ) ancient Australian traditions , that certainly did not originate in Europe . I have specialist study in BMAC archaeology , that certainly did not originate in Europe . Its a new ( entered the record as recently as the 60s ) 'originating world culture - along with Nile Valley IVC, China, Mesopotamia WAAAAY before even a concept of Europe !

I am also a bit of a fanatical Egyptology ,,, no Europe there .

In fact you make a lame and hopeless claim about me that can be easily dispelled if any one cares to read any of the in depth posts I make .

All of a sudden I am some sort of Euro fan boy because I dared to dispel your illusive fantasies based on race, ego and fake history mixed in with 'proud' nationalism .

India dont own no 'swastika' and if you do want to own it , try spelling it with a V not a German W , then you will have the correct Sanskrit term ... which means ; ' good or auspicious' .

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Samarra bowl was from the Sumerian age they to used the symbol so if we are comparing ages of the symbol & origin than it's a Sumerian created symbol from 4000BC it could be even older than that.

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I enjoy creating these threads to see the levels people are on & they are engaging cause they are not typical questions that have been asked before here multiple times it's good to push the envelope & expand your current understanding of things.

I think its impossible to tell who created it .... its a cross with bent arms on the end , the four directions, the four winds , the sun , a whirling force ... etc

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