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The Basics and "System" of Black Magic.

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Hello.

Today I want to write about the basics of black magic as a system, if the word "system" is applicable at all. It would probably be more accurate to simply say - the basics, from observations.

1. Witchcraft is a practical human activity.

Theory is good. It is even better if the theory is based on your personal practice, and not vice versa. You can read 100 books and not perform a single ritual, or you can perform 10 rituals, draw conclusions and write them down in a notebook. Any sane person can see the difference in this. A bias towards theory, without practice, is a waste of time.

2. Lack of system.

Many people have tried to unite knowledge into a semblance of a system. But all this is in vain. Systematization is the addition of structure to facilitate understanding of the subject of study. But in all likelihood, the Forces do not want to facilitate knowledge. Everyone has their own path and each one is individual.

3. Complete denial of karma.
Sorcerers consider the concept of karma to be nonsense. For the reason that within the framework of the karma system, you are limited by what is destined for you. Sorcerers consider such people weaklings, at least because the person believes that he is paying for some past misdeeds (in a past life) (Effect of established boundaries). Such a worldview is denied by sorcerers. In the worldview of sorcerers, if he did something, regardless of moral assessments, then it is right.

4. Do not create an idol for yourself from people.
Everything is simple here, in a magical sense. The experience of another person is only his experience. There is no certainty that the ritual that worked for John will work for Linda. Everything is learned through trial and error.

5. Do not succumb to dependence on anything / anyone.

6. Communicate with people.
Recently, in cinema and elsewhere, the image of sorcerers is increasingly presented as lonely degenerates dressed in black clothes, who inevitably planned to capture and enslave the world. But let's leave this on the conscience of the directors.
In life, sorcerers are usually sociable. They have few friends, but many acquaintances. They constantly need a social life. This is energy. From a practical point of view, people in the sorcerer's social circle are simply necessary.

The above are the basics without which you will most likely not advance far in witchcraft.

Now let's talk about sorcerers and rituals.

7. Who can be a sorcerer? Sorcerers are born by nature. If in a family in three generations in a row only women or only men are born, representatives of the third generation, if these people are taught witchcraft, are very strong in their business. But even not trained in witchcraft, they are capable of mutilating to death. Such people are obliged to find a successor and pass on the gift before death. If they do not find it, then they accept a terrible death. Those who study witchcraft also become sorcerers.

8. The forces with which the tradition works: these are the dead, the Spirits of the forest, the Spirits of the elements, the Devils, the Demons and others. However, it should be noted that this tradition is very "plastic" and absorbs the methods of working with other Forces. For example, I recently saw a ritual with Hel that was harmoniously reworked. And what surprised me is that it works.

9. Time in witchcraft:
This is a big topic. I will give only some aspects that warlocks adhere to.
There are rituals that are performed once in a lifetime.

There are rituals that are performed only in leap years.
There are rituals that are suitable for women and not suitable for men.
Rituals timed to a certain event (birthday, hail, rain, etc.).
Rituals timed to a certain day, month, hour.
Long-term rituals (for example, a series of love spells through mixing into food).

Monday, Tuesday and Thursday are considered men's days.
Wednesday, Friday and Saturday are considered women's days. (Such a division exists, for example, for collecting herbs. For men, herbs are collected on men's days, for women, herbs are collected on women's days. Unless otherwise specified in the ritual itself).

10. Moon.
The moon is one of the most important landmarks in witchcraft.
As a rule, everything that needs to be removed from the bad is done on the waning moon. For positive deeds, as a rule, the waxing moon is suitable.

11. Pantheon.
You might be surprised, but there is no pantheon as such. There are only prevailing currents of black magic depending on the territory.
For example, many work with Hell, Satan and Judas. This is justified by the fact that references to them as a Force that helps were known in the 16th century. It is logical to assume that this was in use before.

QqnFkle.jpeg

Fragment of the icon (Fruits of the Passion of Christ) between 1650-1670.
Excellent work of the artist depicting the "classic" devilish trinity. (Hell, Satan, the soul of Judas Iscariot on Satan's knees.)

ykE1I2Y.jpeg

Personification of the underworld. Fragment of the icon "Resurrection - Descent into Hell", third quarter of the 16th century.

The image shows the Face of Hell, represented as a huge red head. This image is quite rare in icon painting. Usually Hell appears before the viewer in the form of a beast.

l5FXHW7.jpeg

An extremely rare image of Hell in the form of a fiery old man with a fish head and many eyes. Satan with the soul of Judas is on his knees.

9f3qa7Z.jpeg

Satan in Hell. Behind are Demons and sinners in pointed hats. Demons with cone-shaped hairstyles.

12. General rules:
12.1 Do not tell anyone about the ritual until it clearly manifests itself. As a rule, if they tell you something, then in general terms.
12.2 Buy ingredients for the ritual without taking change, or give as much money for the goods as needed.
12.3 You should leave after the ritual without turning around. This applies to any ritual. As a rule, people do not go home directly from the cemetery (as quickly), but constantly changing their route, this is done because of the belief that you can bring something from the cemetery.
12.4 Do not talk after the ritual until you get home. As soon as you cross the threshold of your house, apartment, you are free.
12.5 If you remove negativity, then many rituals say that you should not give anything from home for 1-3 days after the ritual, or not eat meat for example 7 days.
12.6 Be realistic, do not attribute to yourself what you do not have, and do not subtract from what you have achieved.

With respect to all.
 

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Just in case someone takes this nonsense seriously, go volunteer in a long-term care facility first. Get to know all the children with birth defects, and the others disabled from accidents and diseases. Then reflect on whether the idea of karma and rebirth makes sense or not.
 

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Just in case someone takes this nonsense seriously, go volunteer in a long-term care facility first. Get to know all the children with birth defects, and the others disabled from accidents and diseases. Then reflect on whether the idea of karma and rebirth makes sense or not.
Have you read the topic title? The section title?
Why are you taking information about karma and reincarnation out of context?
If you don't understand what I'm talking about, then listen. Sorcerers don't believe in karma for purely practical reasons.

1. Because witchcraft actually changes a person's life.

2. Karma and reincarnation as such are alien to a person who practices black magic. (Those who actually practice it)

3. Why do you offer people to work as a volunteer in a nursing home, meet all the children with birth defects and other children who became disabled as a result of accidents and illnesses. What will they learn from these meetings? What does karma and reincarnation have to do with it? You are simply justifying the social processes that are characteristic of your area of residence. In my place of residence, if you hand over your parents/parent to a nursing home, you, in the person of the people, neighbors, will become worse than a murderer, will be reborn as a nonentity, during your lifetime.

4. Do you even know how the concept of karma, rebirth, arose? This is a purely class phenomenon, caste. (For example, there were successful merchants or warriors in my family. If I am a warrior, I will ask (strength, gods, etc.) so that a warrior is born to me, naturally more successful than me)). Then it was necessary. And if a real warrior by nature was born, then naturally they thanked the gods for this. Or a good warrior died, naturally they asked that he be reborn as another newborn. This is how society has been built since ancient times. And another dark side of this social process. Let's imagine that there is a slave owner in the third generation. Naturally, he will ask for strength, gods, so that his resource of slaves becomes larger. And then it was consolidated in society, precisely by those slave owners who benefited from it. Now if you were born into a slave family, you automatically became a slave.

5. If you are a supporter of karma, does that mean you were reborn? For example, you were Victor, then Elena, then a cat, then John... Who are you? Who am I talking to? In fact, this sounds like the ravings of a madman.

6. Why should I believe in this nonsense, if almost 4 billion representatives of Abrahamic religions believe in God and the Devil, in witchcraft and in the forces of light, can you tell me?

7. И небольшое обращение к тем, кто читает этот пост. Эти любители кармы и перерождения сначала сжигают трупы в реке, а потом стирают там же одежду и купаются. Думаю, комментарии излишни. Хорошо только то, что он не предложил вам прогуляться до морга, чтобы понять карму и перерождение.

8. Around 1930, the world's population was 2 billion, in 1980 - 4 billion. 2 billion were reborn, where are the other 2 billion? You don't have to answer, we won't get a clear answer anyway.


9. Why do these followers write everywhere that only they have the truth? For your information, there are currently about 230 types of afterlife in different societies, religions and sects. That is, the probability is 1/230. Not a great indicator.

10. Do not write in the topic on black magic, messages not related to it. This is not a garbage dump.

11. And finally, if I practice Black Magic, it means that my karma is such - nothing can be done. A joke...

With respect to everyone.
 

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Man, I appreciate you trying to encourage people, but here it may be better talk about the ritual approaches you've found effective.

Magicians, mages, witches, occultist are usually contrarians by nature and will rebel against totalizing "explanations," being presented as an entire worldview. These days it reads like trying to get into people's heads too much.

For why that is so at this point in time, read up on the 20th century cults, murder, and occult shifukkery in Peter Levenda's Sininter Forces trilogy:
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CIA psyops, and assassinations aside, we've had over a century of low-information "magic" being pushed since Crowley, the degenerate junkie, selling his UPG as the supreme initiated mysteries of the universe, (and kids kicking themselves when scrkying the Enochian aethers they don't get copy-pasta of Crowley's visions), Gerald Gardner outright making shit up, to know-nothing Boomers herding simps in little witch cults to monetize and lord over with their "pagan witchcraft" - that somehow all looked exactly what was being published by Llewellyn Press, (while since 1979 hoovering up Hoodoo and Brujeria tech, and then making a virtue out of being grab-bag pastiche for suburbanites). Stupid shit.








And other topics.
1. Dude, what practical things have you written for the forum. And this unrelated speech about the CIA, Crowley, etc. Explain. Where did I mention this? How does this relate to the opening message?
Where did I ever call on a single person to do these rituals? I am only offering for review and can explain in detail some actions, and people themselves decide whether they want to use this or not.

2. You are violating paragraph 8 of the rules of our forum, which states: Stay on Topic — Your replies to a thread must be relevant to the original post. Unhelpful replies such as tangential opinions, non-answers, vague and cryptic assertions are not acceptable. This also applies to the original poster when replying to their own thread. If you are about to reply something that is not extremely relevant or at least helpful to the original topic, then make your own thread in the relevant section.
Do not try to circumvent this rule by making an attempt to poorly "connect" an off-topic or irrelevant post to the original topic.

3. Are you asking the question because I answered Anand like that?, trying to imagine that I am calling people to this particular magic. This is not so. And if Anand is a normal person, he simply had to create his own thread, where he would explain that karma and black magic are compatible, giving arguments. But he will not do this, where it is easier to write nonsense.

4. It is about the same as if I said that I believe in the seven-headed Mickey Mouse, and did not give a single argument.

5. And one more thing, do not take this as aggression against you, or disrespect. I am friendly to all people on the forum. But I do not understand people, and will never understand, who speak off-topic. In my topic, and in general. By this you only make the forum worse. The thread was about witchcraft, and now it has turned into a call to go to a nursing home, a home for sick children, in order to understand karma. And then Crowley, the CIA, and other low-value information.
 

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Many apologies , Zord! Ugh! This it totally on me.

Can we get one of the mods to delete it?

My tone absolutely sucks there. And I absolutely should have looked at your history, and I appreciate you calling me out for being a dick. I think was maybe projecting something onto you that I have seen in too many occult communities. Forgive me.

We can go into it, but I do not want to make you feel like I am trying to justify my response. I was in a hurry and not thinking through my response. I have an angle I was getting at, that is related to the bigger topic of occult wordview, which I thought was what you were talking about.

Many, many apolgies,
Morgan
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Oh, l'll reach out to one of the mods and ask them to delete it.
 
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Well considering that many describe Black Magic as merely material magick, and White Magic as all things related to spirituality. I think one can conclude alot of things from here.
 

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Hello.

Today I want to write about the basics of black magic as a system, if the word "system" is applicable at all. It would probably be more accurate to simply say - the basics, from observations.

1. Witchcraft is a practical human activity.

Theory is good. It is even better if the theory is based on your personal practice, and not vice versa. You can read 100 books and not perform a single ritual, or you can perform 10 rituals, draw conclusions and write them down in a notebook. Any sane person can see the difference in this. A bias towards theory, without practice, is a waste of time.

2. Lack of system.

Many people have tried to unite knowledge into a semblance of a system. But all this is in vain. Systematization is the addition of structure to facilitate understanding of the subject of study. But in all likelihood, the Forces do not want to facilitate knowledge. Everyone has their own path and each one is individual.

3. Complete denial of karma.
Sorcerers consider the concept of karma to be nonsense. For the reason that within the framework of the karma system, you are limited by what is destined for you. Sorcerers consider such people weaklings, at least because the person believes that he is paying for some past misdeeds (in a past life) (Effect of established boundaries). Such a worldview is denied by sorcerers. In the worldview of sorcerers, if he did something, regardless of moral assessments, then it is right.

4. Do not create an idol for yourself from people.
Everything is simple here, in a magical sense. The experience of another person is only his experience. There is no certainty that the ritual that worked for John will work for Linda. Everything is learned through trial and error.

5. Do not succumb to dependence on anything / anyone.

6. Communicate with people.
Recently, in cinema and elsewhere, the image of sorcerers is increasingly presented as lonely degenerates dressed in black clothes, who inevitably planned to capture and enslave the world. But let's leave this on the conscience of the directors.
In life, sorcerers are usually sociable. They have few friends, but many acquaintances. They constantly need a social life. This is energy. From a practical point of view, people in the sorcerer's social circle are simply necessary.

The above are the basics without which you will most likely not advance far in witchcraft.

Now let's talk about sorcerers and rituals.

7. Who can be a sorcerer? Sorcerers are born by nature. If in a family in three generations in a row only women or only men are born, representatives of the third generation, if these people are taught witchcraft, are very strong in their business. But even not trained in witchcraft, they are capable of mutilating to death. Such people are obliged to find a successor and pass on the gift before death. If they do not find it, then they accept a terrible death. Those who study witchcraft also become sorcerers.

8. The forces with which the tradition works: these are the dead, the Spirits of the forest, the Spirits of the elements, the Devils, the Demons and others. However, it should be noted that this tradition is very "plastic" and absorbs the methods of working with other Forces. For example, I recently saw a ritual with Hel that was harmoniously reworked. And what surprised me is that it works.

9. Time in witchcraft:
This is a big topic. I will give only some aspects that warlocks adhere to.
There are rituals that are performed once in a lifetime.

There are rituals that are performed only in leap years.
There are rituals that are suitable for women and not suitable for men.
Rituals timed to a certain event (birthday, hail, rain, etc.).
Rituals timed to a certain day, month, hour.
Long-term rituals (for example, a series of love spells through mixing into food).

Monday, Tuesday and Thursday are considered men's days.
Wednesday, Friday and Saturday are considered women's days. (Such a division exists, for example, for collecting herbs. For men, herbs are collected on men's days, for women, herbs are collected on women's days. Unless otherwise specified in the ritual itself).

10. Moon.
The moon is one of the most important landmarks in witchcraft.
As a rule, everything that needs to be removed from the bad is done on the waning moon. For positive deeds, as a rule, the waxing moon is suitable.

11. Pantheon.
You might be surprised, but there is no pantheon as such. There are only prevailing currents of black magic depending on the territory.
For example, many work with Hell, Satan and Judas. This is justified by the fact that references to them as a Force that helps were known in the 16th century. It is logical to assume that this was in use before.

QqnFkle.jpeg

Fragment of the icon (Fruits of the Passion of Christ) between 1650-1670.
Excellent work of the artist depicting the "classic" devilish trinity. (Hell, Satan, the soul of Judas Iscariot on Satan's knees.)

ykE1I2Y.jpeg

Personification of the underworld. Fragment of the icon "Resurrection - Descent into Hell", third quarter of the 16th century.

The image shows the Face of Hell, represented as a huge red head. This image is quite rare in icon painting. Usually Hell appears before the viewer in the form of a beast.

l5FXHW7.jpeg

An extremely rare image of Hell in the form of a fiery old man with a fish head and many eyes. Satan with the soul of Judas is on his knees.

9f3qa7Z.jpeg

Satan in Hell. Behind are Demons and sinners in pointed hats. Demons with cone-shaped hairstyles.

12. General rules:
12.1 Do not tell anyone about the ritual until it clearly manifests itself. As a rule, if they tell you something, then in general terms.
12.2 Buy ingredients for the ritual without taking change, or give as much money for the goods as needed.
12.3 You should leave after the ritual without turning around. This applies to any ritual. As a rule, people do not go home directly from the cemetery (as quickly), but constantly changing their route, this is done because of the belief that you can bring something from the cemetery.
12.4 Do not talk after the ritual until you get home. As soon as you cross the threshold of your house, apartment, you are free.
12.5 If you remove negativity, then many rituals say that you should not give anything from home for 1-3 days after the ritual, or not eat meat for example 7 days.
12.6 Be realistic, do not attribute to yourself what you do not have, and do not subtract from what you have achieved.

With respect to all.
Zord, are you denigrating systems and then outlining a system. Karma is simply cause & effect. It is now and has nothing to do with past lives. And Warlocks were a Scottish concept of men that hunted out witches to punish & destroy them.
 

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Zord, are you denigrating systems and then outlining a system. Karma is simply cause & effect. It is now and has nothing to do with past lives. And Warlocks were a Scottish concept of men that hunted out witches to punish & destroy them.
Hello David Wilson-Steer.
1. David, reread Anand's message, it is clear and understandable that a person closely connects the concept of "Karma" with the concept of "Rebirth". I am only arguing that in this context, it is alien, and even useless, for those who practice magic.
2. Everything has cause-and-effect relationships. No need to put forward extensive theories and superstitious fears. Did something - got a result. This is not karma, but just a logical result - the continuation of certain actions.
The chain was not started by us. But we can influence how the links will stand. This is a very broad topic. And if you want to discuss it, then it is impossible without such concepts as: Destiny, Luck, Fortune. Unhappy, evil, hard fate, gloomy predestination, bitter fate. 3. You write (And Warlocks were a Scottish concept of men that hunted out witches to punish & destroy them). A highly controversial statement.
For example, an image of a doll (Greco-Roman doll pierced with 13 needles. Found in Egypt, 2nd century AD).
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There is a topic on the forum about witchcraft with dolls, read it, there are examples of modern European witchcraft, with dolls. This is very similar to the witchcraft of the Greco-Roman period.
Witchcraft is an international concept. The name may differ in different geographical areas. But the interpretation of witchcraft among different peoples is approximately the same.
 
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