The Gateway Process

[Sedim Haba]

A note to all the Windows users: unless you have a good sound card system using DAC, and software that bypasses the garbage output, Windows doesn't reproduce audio correctly, or at all in some cases, mostly a combination of how crappy Winslow is and how much garbage they produce with audio reproduction.
So, even if you got a clean copy to listen to, you won't get any pure or accurate reproduction if you play things on a crappy Windows system.
Since much of the Gateway materials are attempting to do different sounds in each ear, or frequencies, so just know that they are totally polluted on practically every Winslow computer, unless you have software/hardware that bypasses the garbage and reproduces the original format in quality.

Good to know! What about Android? I was planning on using an older Motorola Android phone with an actual headphone Jack.

I do have MP3 players, but they're cheapies, but do use regular AAA

 

[Durward]

Good to know! What about Android? I was planning on using an older Motorola Android phone with an actual headphone Jack.

I do have MP3 players, but they're cheapies, but do use regular AAA

I'm not informed enough about the sound quality of Androids or other devices. I only knew of the Windows issues because of my experiments and investigation of scientific studies where the issue of correct reproduction needed a work-around. When I did a dive into the issues and work-arounds, it had nothing nice to say about Windows or most PC's, Laptops, and other junk electronics that manufacturers skimp on.
A quick look supplies something similar to the Windows garbage:

Android devices reproduce sound adequately for everyday use, but an external DAC is generally needed for high-resolution audio (above 16-bit/48kHz) or to power high-impedance headphones. While modern Androids have decent internal DACs, they often resample audio to 48kHz, whereas a USB-C dongle DAC offers better clarity, power, and bit-perfect, higher resolution sound

So yes, I wouldn't trust it and would use an external DAC of quality to make sure the sound is reproduced in the format it was meant to be reproduced in.

 

[FraterFraxinus]

Good to know! What about Android? I was planning on using an older Motorola Android phone with an actual headphone Jack.

I do have MP3 players, but they're cheapies, but do use regular AAA

Mp3 players wont work since mp3 compression is realllllly bad for this. look up the way how mp3 compresses sound and youll see why. if you pay close attention you can even hear that, the worse the mp3 the more you hear it. It's like looking at jpeg, sort of.
Theres also evidence that listening to MP3s tires the brain since it has to filter the holes the compression produce within the sound. Its a really fucked up compression.
Other players might support lossless formats like flac or wav which do the job just fine.

I'm not informed enough about the sound quality of Androids or other devices. I only knew of the Windows issues because of my experiments and investigation of scientific studies where the issue of correct reproduction needed a work-around. When I did a dive into the issues and work-arounds, it had nothing nice to say about Windows or most PC's, Laptops, and other junk electronics that manufacturers skimp on.
A quick look supplies something similar to the Windows garbage:

So yes, I wouldn't trust it and would use an external DAC of quality to make sure the sound is reproduced in the format it was meant to be reproduced in.

Hmm. The gateway tapes are in 16bit 44.1k, as all CD's are though im pretty sure the problem with the DACs persists.

I use an external interface with studio headphones which seems to work just fine.

I -think- using lower quality DACs might still work though since the basics of bineural beats might work with lower quality too as long as no phasing issues arise. Im not sure though.

 

[Durward]

Mp3 players wont work since mp3 compression is realllllly bad for this. look up the way how mp3 compresses sound and youll see why. if you pay close attention you can even hear that, the worse the mp3 the more you hear it. It's like looking at jpeg, sort of.
Theres also evidence that listening to MP3s tires the brain since it has to filter the holes the compression produce within the sound. Its a really fucked up compression.
Other players might support lossless formats like flac or wav which do the job just fine.

Hmm. The gateway tapes are in 16bit 44.1k, as all CD's are though im pretty sure the problem with the DACs persists.

I use an external interface with studio headphones which seems to work just fine.

I -think- using lower quality DACs might still work though since the basics of bineural beats might work with lower quality too as long as no phasing issues arise. Im not sure though.

In one of my deep dives into frequency, I had found a chart showing detrimental frequencies and how close and between the non-detrimental, when applied to cultures. Because humans have a high threshold for damaging things like this, most of the studies likely show no negative results. But some people can take sunburn over and over without getting cancer, and there are those who can't. Now I see that the studies for some of the binaural recordings are showing great results, this should cause more research and development of accurate and precise helpful frequencies. I doubt that any of the early recordings took any science into account, or actually researched detrimental frequencies, or the proper reproduction necessary for results. In my humble opinion, the Monroe group is mainly interested in profits and not the science or research that would be responsible and likely necessary. The newer companies popping up and producing more quality devices appear to be interested in science and research and use it to back up the marketing. So I wait and watch. I still think the best thing will be something that monitors the user and adjusts the content accordingly. So an EEG system with a smart system to respond, like the many new headband systems. Monroe has had decades to develop technology like this, but got too full of themselves and the hyper-expensive courses to do R&D or follow the science. They went down the woo woo trail and disappeared into some rabbit hole to me.

 

[Sedim Haba]

Thanks for the input!

I just noticed that the tape files that were shared here on WF are not MP3's but FLAC and IDK yet if the oldie MP3 players will handle that even.

I assume I can get something from Android.

 

[Durward]

Thanks for the input!

I just noticed that the tape files that were shared here on WF are not MP3's but FLAC and IDK yet if the oldie MP3 players will handle that even.

I assume I can get something from Android.

FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec) provides 100% accurate, bit-for-bit reproduction of the original audio source. It uses lossless compression, meaning when decoded, the output is identical to the original uncompressed file (e.g., WAV or CD). It supports high-resolution audio (up to 24-bit/192kHz) and preserves all original audio data.

Rockbox might be a worthwhile install if you can do that with your player. Many phones and computers can handle FLAC but FLAC is likely to drain your battery faster. But, Windows will still screw the FLAC file output quality without a DAC at the output.

 

[FraterFraxinus]

Thanks for the input!

I just noticed that the tape files that were shared here on WF are not MP3's but FLAC and IDK yet if the oldie MP3 players will handle that even.

I assume I can get something from Android.

I'd suggest using VLC media player, can handle most formats and is overall a nice piece of software imo.