Book Discussion the germany book Don't touch me

[Yitagus]

I can't see this book on the website. The book of <Don"t touch me> is a about the seal magic book. I am not good at the germany , so it is hard for me. Who can help me to translate this book, we can learn together and take more magic knowledge? Very thank you. I can't find the book ISBN it just like the manuscript.

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I have the PDF for you , hope you have the well germany abilitily.

 

[Reizo]

You mean this? (link to shops removed)

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[Yazata]

I can't see this book on the website. The book of <Don"t touch me> is a about the seal magic book. I am not good at the germany , so it is hard for me. Who can help me to translate this book, we can learn together and take more magic knowledge? Very thank you. I can't find the book ISBN it just like the manuscript.

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I have the PDF for you , hope you have the well germany abilitily.

Give the title and author. Maybe someone wants to help you translate it. @Reizo : do not post links to webshops, as this was your first time this is just a verbal warning

 

[ByAMountainOfBooks]

I am German. What book are you talking about?

 

[Yitagus]

I am German. What book are you talking about?

it name Noli me Tangere., I ask the ai ,they told me the language is germany

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You mean this? (link to shops removed)

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sorry i didn't see. so sad

 

[Yazata]

Noli me Tangere

Give the name of the book and the author.
This phrase is

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[Reizo]

Give the title and author. Maybe someone wants to help you translate it. @Reizo : do not post links to webshops, as this was your first time this is just a verbal warning

My apologies! I wasn't aware of that rule, I will not break it again, I appreciate you pointing it out, I see now that it was not really helpful or on topic in this thread.

I am German. What book are you talking about?

I am in no way speaking for the OP, but just in an attempt to redeem myself a bit here to try and be of some constructive help:

I think they are speaking of the following manuscript: Compendium rarissimum totius Artis Magicae sistematisatae per celeberrimos Artis hujus Magistros aka "Noli me Tangere," roughly translates to "A rare summary of the entire Magical Art by the most famous Masters of this Art" aka "Touch Me Not," Written in German and Latin the book has been dated to around 1775, although it seems the unknown author tried to pass it off as an older relic, mentioning the year 1057 in the title page. It's publicly available without any special login at the Wellcome Collection, if you'd like to take a look at it for translation into another language.

 

[ByAMountainOfBooks]

My apologies! I wasn't aware of that rule, I will not break it again, I appreciate you pointing it out, I see now that it was not really helpful or on topic in this thread.



I am in no way speaking for the OP, but just in an attempt to redeem myself a bit here to try and be of some constructive help:

I think they are speaking of the following manuscript: Compendium rarissimum totius Artis Magicae sistematisatae per celeberrimos Artis hujus Magistros aka "Noli me Tangere," roughly translates to "A rare summary of the entire Magical Art by the most famous Masters of this Art" aka "Touch Me Not," Written in German and Latin the book has been dated to around 1775, although it seems the unknown author tried to pass it off as an older relic, mentioning the year 1057 in the title page. It's publicly available without any special login at the Wellcome Collection, if you'd like to take a look at it for translation into another language.

Thanks! That is the one I ve found too.

I found it online and have skipped through. From the visual style it gives me faustian grimoire feeling.

For the content
-short pharmakopeia section talking about narcotics
-Conjuration of Luficer, Leviathan, Satan and Belial;
-Of nigromantic Pacts between Demons and humans (De Pacto in Nigromantia inter Daemonem et Hominem); also talking about elemental spirits
-Of black magic
-of cacomagical mirrors

Lots of pictures and a difficult handwriting. It doesn't strike me as a particular interesting grimoire. The cacomagical mirrors sounded interesting. The seals in the beginning pages seem to very loose without any reference (I only skipped through but havent seen anything that would reference them)

 

[Reizo]

I think in terms of why this manuscript is most famous is truly the pictures. That's what drew me to it. The pharmakopeia aspect you mention is unique and intriguing though as well. There's often speculation about altered states and so forth via incense or other substances with regard to centuries old grimoire tradition brought up in occult lectures, you don't often see it outright mentioned.

 

[Yazata]

I think in terms of why this manuscript is most famous is truly the pictures. That's what drew me to it. The pharmakopeia aspect you mention is unique and intriguing though as well. There's often speculation about altered states and so forth via incense or other substances with regard to centuries old grimoire tradition brought up in occult lectures, you don't often see it outright mentioned.

Right. I have seen this one before too. With a sigil for Satan and in the conjurations it gives Satan, Lucifer, Belial and Leviathan as the 4 rulers, like in the Satanic Bible. Interesting.
Edit: but I never would have known this was the book OP meant

 

[ByAMountainOfBooks]

A short addendum:

The conjuration lists a hierarchie:
The four chiefs: Luzifer, Leviathan, Satan and Belial
The eight dukes: Astaroth, Magoth, Asmodai, Belzebub, Oriens, Baimon, Aritton, Amaimon
and another 12 spirits: Morech (Morecs?), Nabhi, Tirama, Nudaton, Zagrion, Carufur (Garufur?), Rigaton, Zugula, Ramaison, Hitik (Kitik?, Kilik? Hilik?), Sumieran (Sumuran?), Aloggiell (Atoggiell?)

Some of the angels seals seem to stem from the Heptameron, others like that of Michael and Gabriel are the same as from Secrets of solomon.

 

[Yitagus]

谢谢！我也找到了那个。

我在网上找到了，已经跳过了。从视觉风格来看，它给我一种浮士德式魔法书的感觉。

内容方面
——简短的Pharmakopeia专栏，谈毒品
- 《卢菲瑟、利维坦、撒旦与贝利亚的召唤》;
——关于恶魔与人类之间的黑人魔法契约（De Pacto in Nigromantia inter Daemonem et Hominem）;也谈到元素灵
——黑魔法
——卡科魔法镜子

有很多图片，字迹也很难写。我觉得这本魔法书并不特别有趣。那些魔法镜听起来很有趣。开头几页的封印似乎很松动，没有任何参考（我只是跳过了，但没看到任何相关资料）

你说得对，就是这本书。我拿到的是手写版本，我很羡慕你拼写正确。德语和拉丁语的答案我很难答对。

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A short addendum:

The conjuration lists a hierarchie:
The four chiefs: Luzifer, Leviathan, Satan and Belial
The eight dukes: Astaroth, Magoth, Asmodai, Belzebub, Oriens, Baimon, Aritton, Amaimon
and another 12 spirits: Morech (Morecs?), Nabhi, Tirama, Nudaton, Zagrion, Carufur (Garufur?), Rigaton, Zugula, Ramaison, Hitik (Kitik?, Kilik? Hilik?), Sumieran (Sumuran?), Aloggiell (Atoggiell?)

Some of the angels seals seem to stem from the Heptameron, others like that of Michael and Gabriel are the same as from Secrets of solomon.

It is a handwritten version, so I am seeking help with proofreading and translation work. Can you help me?

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Right. I have seen this one before too. With a sigil for Satan and in the conjurations it gives Satan, Lucifer, Belial and Leviathan as the 4 rulers, like in the Satanic Bible. Interesting.
Edit: but I never would have known this was the book OP meant

I got this book from a website. I was attracted by its illustrations and felt very intrigued and curious, wanting to know what’s inside.

 

[Reizo]

Right. I have seen this one before too. With a sigil for Satan and in the conjurations it gives Satan, Lucifer, Belial and Leviathan as the 4 rulers, like in the Satanic Bible. Interesting.
Edit: but I never would have known this was the book OP meant

I also just realized something else very interesting - you posted that Wiki for "Noli me tangere" - take a look at this excerpt I pulled from some of the usage of that phrase - I NEVER realized "touch me not" really had more depth than it seemed as far as a heretical inversion here! So cool

Liturgical use​

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, 15th century
The words are a popular

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in

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. The supposed moment in which they were spoken was a popular subject for paintings in cycles of the

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and as single subjects, for which the phrase is the usual title.

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(1897–1975), in asking Mary Magdalene not to touch him, Jesus indicates that once the resurrection is accomplished, the link between human beings and his person must no longer be physical, but must be a bond of heart to heart. "He must establish this gap, she must understand that the only possible way is faith, that the hands can not reach the person and that it is from within, from within only, that the we can approach Him."

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Likewise, later, when

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reached out to touch the wounds of Jesus, Christ declares: "blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed" [

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[ByAMountainOfBooks]

The pharmakopeia aspect you mention is unique and intriguing though as well. There's often speculation about altered states and so forth via incense or other substances with regard to centuries old grimoire tradition brought up in occult lectures, you don't often see it outright mentioned.

Sure, here you go:

of the congutation (?). Narcotics:

All narcotics and opioids numb the zests of life/animal spirit (lebensgeister betäuben. Lebensgeister is a colloquialism we use to this day often describe to talk about cheerfulness or mental freshness, energy):

Opium: Magensamen (stomach seeds; dont know what that is refering to)
Bilsenkraut (hyoscyamus)
Mandragora: Schierling (Conium)
Nightshades

Those are the numbing herbs

The complex ones:
Methridat and Therriack
Trifera
Laudanum Paracelsi
Diascordium
Philokium maj... (cant read)
Cillullo (? No idea) de cygnoglossa

The text underneath is very difficult to decipher as of now.

 

[Yitagus]

Sure, here you go:

of the congutation (?). Narcotics:

All narcotics and opioids numb the zests of life/animal spirit (lebensgeister betäuben. Lebensgeister is a colloquialism we use to this day often describe to talk about cheerfulness or mental freshness, energy):

Opium: Magensamen (stomach seeds; dont know what that is refering to)
Bilsenkraut (hyoscyamus)
Mandragora: Schierling (Conium)
Nightshades

Those are the numbing herbs

The complex ones:
Methridat and Therriack
Trifera
Laudanum Paracelsi
Diascordium
Philokium maj... (cant read)
Cillullo (? No idea) de cygnoglossa

The text underneath is very difficult to decipher as of now.

Is it necessary to study this book? I mean, can it be used as a book for focused learning?

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Sure, here you go:

of the congutation (?). Narcotics:

All narcotics and opioids numb the zests of life/animal spirit (lebensgeister betäuben. Lebensgeister is a colloquialism we use to this day often describe to talk about cheerfulness or mental freshness, energy):

Opium: Magensamen (stomach seeds; dont know what that is refering to)
Bilsenkraut (hyoscyamus)
Mandragora: Schierling (Conium)
Nightshades

Those are the numbing herbs

The complex ones:
Methridat and Therriack
Trifera
Laudanum Paracelsi
Diascordium
Philokium maj... (cant read)
Cillullo (? No idea) de cygnoglossa

The text underneath is very difficult to decipher as of now.

Alle narkotische und opiatische Mittel schwächen den Lebensgeist, und wenn der finstere Gebrauch derselben Gefahr bringt, so ist eine große Erfahrung und ein genauer Ausspruch dazu nothwendig.

• Opium
• Mandragora
• Bilsenkraut
• Nachtschatten
• Mohnsaft
• Methridat
• Trifera
  Sie wirken nach der Beschaffenheit des Körperorgans. Sind alle schwächend. Narkotisch. Ihr Gebrauch will verstanden sein. Sind nur durch eine genaue Mischung zu bezwingen.
  Sie machen das Blut dünne und wässericht. Die Imagination wird dadurch erhöht

 

[ByAMountainOfBooks]

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[...]und wenn der finstere Gebrauch derselben Gefahr bringt, so ist eine große Erfahrung und ein genauer Ausspruch dazu nothwendig.
[...]
Sie wirken nach der Beschaffenheit des Körperorgans. Sind alle schwächend. Narkotisch. Ihr Gebrauch will verstanden sein. Sind nur durch eine genaue Mischung zu bezwingen.
Sie machen das Blut dünne und wässericht. Die Imagination wird dadurch erhöht

I dont know where you got all that text as the text does not say necessarily say that. The part that is hard to decipher mentions ointments, and two other applications. It mentions imagination though.