The real reason why Judaism hates Christmas

[Drezuli]

Love to see the clip

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[Asteriskos]

Why should you care about what other people think?
Your practise is your practise.

"Amen", er... "So Mote it Be!"

 

[PolishTruthSeeker]

They really love Christmas and even jesus because it's the Noahide laws and Yahweh for Gentiles.

I recorded a clip from a show and idk if I can post the link here.

Yes, that wouldn't be untrue, yet they claim they hate it.

 

[Asteriskos]

The activities, acts, and presence of Jesus caused a good deal of attention, which eventually the Romans were unable to ignore. The result of all that didn't just affect the followers of Jesus, but the Jews in general. Roman interference was of course hated by the Jews. At the end of the day
the Jews saw all things Christian as responsible for much of their grief and misery, IMO! I have known several Jewish people closely enough to have been told that if Jesus existed today, they would turn him over to the Romans again. This was from what was termed an "Orthodox" Jewish Person at the time, I believe it has changed to "Observant" now? I'm no authority on Judaism. This did not come across as Love for anything "Christian" to me. As far as liking Christmas as a "holiday" and day off work? Any Holiday is a Good Holiday, what's Not to Like?

 

[PolishTruthSeeker]

Not all pagans. Seven specific nations.

Deuteronomy 7: ( emphasis mine )

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7:1​

כי יביאך יהוה אלהיך אל־הארץ אשר־אתה בא־שמה לרשתה ונשל גוים־רבים מפניך החתי והגרגשי והאמרי והכנעני והפרזי והחוי והיבוסי שבעה גוים רבים ועצומים ממך׃​

When the Lord your God shall bring you into the land which you are entering to possess, and has cast out many nations before you, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you;​

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7:2​

ונתנם יהוה אלהיך לפניך והכיתם החרם תחרים אתם לא־תכרת להם ברית ולא תחנם׃​

And when the Lord your God shall deliver them before you; you shall strike them, and completely destroy them; you shall make no covenant with them, nor show mercy to them;​

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7:3​

ולא תתחתן בם בתך לא־תתן לבנו ובתו לא־תקח לבנך׃​

And you shall not make marriages with them; your daughter you shall not give to his son, nor his daughter shall you take to your son.​

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7:4​

כי־יסיר את־בנך מאחרי ועבדו אלהים אחרים וחרה אף־יהוה בכם והשמידך מהר׃​

For they will turn away your son from following me, that they may serve other gods; so will the anger of the Lord be kindled against you, and destroy you speedily.​

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7:5​

כי אם־כה תעשו להם מזבחתיהם תתצו ומצבתם תשברו ואשירהם תגדעון ופסיליהם תשרפון באש׃​

But thus shall you deal with them; you shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their Asherim, and burn their carved idols with fire.​

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That's your choice. Is there any similarity between your worship and the practice of those seven unholy nations? According to the story, these seven commit "every abomination that the Lord hates."

Deuteronomy 12: ( emphasis mine )

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12:29​

כי־יכרית יהוה אלהיך את־הגוים אשר אתה בא־שמה לרשת אותם מפניך וירשת אתם וישבת בארצם׃​

When the Lord your God shall cut off the nations from before you, where you go to dispossess them, and live in their land;​

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12:30​

השמר לך פן־תנקש אחריהם אחרי השמדם מפניך ופן־תדרש לאלהיהם לאמר איכה יעבדו הגוים האלה את־אלהיהם ואעשה־כן גם־אני׃​

Take heed to yourself that you be not snared by following them, after they are destroyed from before you; and that you inquire not about their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? that I may also do likewise.​

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12:31​

לא־תעשה כן ליהוה אלהיך כי כל־תועבת יהוה אשר שנא עשו לאלהיהם כי גם את־בניהם ואת־בנתיהם ישרפו באש לאלהיהם׃​

You shall not do so to the Lord your God; for every abomination to the Lord, which he hates, have they done to their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burned in the fire to their gods.​

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7 specific nations? I read somewhere Poles are considered "Amalek"

 

[ElectricEgregore]

Who doesn't?

Jokes aside, part of it is projection, part of it is because xtianity has bigotry built in from the start - so does any other institutionalized thing.

I think the problem with this post is that the statement does not make complete sense as it's a bit of a generalizing take.
Basically xtianity is idolatry, it personifies god, and that in a pretty polytheistic way. With the pope it is in a way the continuation of the ancient way of choosing god-kings or representatives of god on earth, which is opposed to the ideals of judaism - messiah or nothing m'kay?

Also at a certain point rome, the arch enemy, became christian, and many christian nations expelled the jews just like their original arch enemies did. Also it's prophecy that the nations will fight the jews again, so they just stay in their paradigm. Basically their experiences and their holy scriptures warn them to be cautious of all others.

When we try to social science this it's a bit of a Deuteronomy thing really, where g-d reminds the jews that they put misery upon themselves by not fully determining themselves to g-d and him only. They fell back into idolatry and that cost them dearly. So anything resembling the falling back into it is kind of representing sin, or moving away from god. Also there's the need for an outside enemy to strenghten the in-group preference and determination to ones faith.
This of course is further improved on by political zionism.

@polishthruthseeker Amalek is just a term like aryan - it's a title or behavior, not a people.

 

[Sedim Haba]

I think the problem with this post is that the statement does not make complete sense as it's a bit of a generalizing take.
Basically xtianity is idolatry, it personifies god, and that in a pretty polytheistic way. With the pope it is in a way the continuation of the ancient way of choosing god-kings or representatives of god on earth, which is opposed to the ideals of judaism - messiah or nothing m'kay?

Also at a certain point rome, the arch enemy, became christian, and many christian nations expelled the jews just like their original arch enemies did. Also it's prophecy that the nations will fight the jews again, so they just stay in their paradigm. Basically their experiences and their holy scriptures warn them to be cautious of all others.

So true. Then, the Roman church came to Judea and started persecuting the Jewish followers of Yeshua. Look up Ebionites sometime.

It's important to remember that the sages considered Rome to be (at least the spiritual) descendant of Esau. Edom. The whole wrestling an angel

thing? That's the guardian angel of Esau. Unresolved. The sages consider the current age to be the Age of Messiah ben Joseph. 'Galut Edom'

 

[Mh4419]

sorry wrong tread

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sorry wrong tread

I was in different tread and I do not know how I came here, sorry guys

 

[Ziran]

7 specific nations?

Yup.

I read somewhere Poles are considered "Amalek"

Is it a popular opinion?

Supported by academics?

Taught by Jewish institutions?