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The uselessness of God, Gods, Angels, Ancestors and Spirits

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The amazing thing is none of these non-corporeal 'things' warned humans about climate change or ai. None of them even gave a head's up about covid (whereas somehow lil ole me psychically knew it would be a worldwide issue right away). The other remarkable thing is that basically everyone just accepts this and doesn't question it. The blinders people wear...

Just maybe- feeling some energy and getting a few results doesn't translate into these things being what every religious person and most occultists think they are.

Forging your own vision, and thus your own path, seem to be the most difficult thing for the human primate. Ok, you can stamp your feet and explain it all away now.
 

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The amazing thing is none of these non-corporeal 'things' warned humans about climate change or ai. None of them even gave a head's up about covid (whereas somehow lil ole me psychically knew it would be a worldwide issue right away).
A few years before Covid, its arrival was fairly obvious to a large sector of the conspiracy theory groups. Doctors were dying or disappearing, we got to learn the new word "pandemic," and there were other signs. Trump even said "Covfefe" was, in his own words, "Maybe the biggest thing in the world, to some people who know exactly what I meant when I said that." If you were paying attention to the fringes, it's really not too far out to suggest that your brain put 2 and 2 together and gave you a heads-up. Maybe you can call that psychic power. Near the event itself, it was even more evident, about the time they were pretending that the "vaping crisis" in the Midwest was from something other than a then-unknown virus.

Climate Change is most likely bullshit. Sorry, you've been played. Sorry, scientists aren't always scientific. Yes, hairspray is nasty and pollution is bad, but don't let that stop you from buying a beach house.

Ai has a lot of hype around it right now, and people are screaming alarms over it daily. But mayyyybe that's all BS too. Sort of like telling people in the early days of TV that it will lead to mass hypnosis and govt propaganda. Yes, it will do that, but is it really that bad or can we live with it? And who knows, maybe even TV is in the Bible. Doesn't the Second Beast make an image "dedicated unto the Great Beast," which speaks blasphemies in every home? A significant number of people identify Ai as The Antichrist, a stand-in for godlike intelligence that promises a remedy for all things and preserves the dead as ai replicas rather than resurrected glory.

In 2012, I asked one of the Goetia spirits about whether there was any truth to the conspiracy theory elements like UFOs, DUMBS, etc. The full list of conspiranoia. I was told that there was a secret effort to make a disease that was going to be used to take over the world, to avoid the shots at all cost, and expect it to eventually corrupt the food supply. Rather than death, its primary power would be to weaken people and make them unable to work. I took what actions I could to plan ahead for that. I had plenty of toilet paper in 2020.

Most of the people who say God or spirits reveal something are, sad to say, full of shit, and that's all you need to know to explain why they don't get things right. Or they're just crazy and repeating whatever they see in media that makes them excited. And a lot of what we are told on TV, and what gets backed up by universities and other science people, might be propaganda.
 

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The question that used to trouble theist thinkers through the ages was why god allowed evil to exist. And now he even failed us as our bodyguard and nanny? Tsk tsk tsk.
 
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A few years before Covid, its arrival was fairly obvious to a large sector of the conspiracy theory groups. Doctors were dying or disappearing, we got to learn the new word "pandemic," and there were other signs. Trump even said "Covfefe" was, in his own words, "Maybe the biggest thing in the world, to some people who know exactly what I meant when I said that."
Sorry, that is extremely thin


Climate Change is most likely bullshit. Sorry, you've been played. Sorry, scientists aren't always scientific. Yes, hairspray is nasty and pollution is bad, but don't let that stop you from buying a beach house.
Actually, there's mountains of evidence in sundry fields from all over the world to demonstrate it is not bullshit. It's also simple physics that has been known for a while before the general public ever heard of it.

Ai has a lot of hype around it right now, and people are screaming alarms over it daily. But mayyyybe that's all BS too. Sort of like telling people in the early days of TV that it will lead to mass hypnosis and govt propaganda. Yes, it will do that, but is it really that bad or can we live with it? And who knows, maybe even TV is in the Bible. Doesn't the Second Beast make an image "dedicated unto the Great Beast," which speaks blasphemies in every home? A significant number of people identify Ai as The Antichrist, a stand-in for godlike intelligence that promises a remedy for all things and preserves the dead as ai replicas rather than resurrected glory.
TV is not in the bible. This is ridiculous

In 2012, I asked one of the Goetia spirits about whether there was any truth to the conspiracy theory elements like UFOs, DUMBS, etc. The full list of conspiranoia. I was told that there was a secret effort to make a disease that was going to be used to take over the world, to avoid the shots at all cost, and expect it to eventually corrupt the food supply. Rather than death, its primary power would be to weaken people and make them unable to work. I took what actions I could to plan ahead for that. I had plenty of toilet paper in 2020.

Thats nice, but the Covid response didn't 'take over the world'. I think it was you who got played by an egregore.

I got the vaccine and haven't experienced any ill effects. My health is superb.
 

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Actually, there's mountains of evidence in sundry fields from all over the world to demonstrate it is not bullshit. It's also simple physics that has been known for a while before the general public ever heard of it.
And I am saying that those people are wrong and that their data sets are invalid.

TV is not in the bible.
The Bible does speak about the Second Beast, who has the form of a man whose voice spreads violence. This person makes an image "unto the Beast," not of the Beast but dedicated to it, which is animated and given the ability to speak. It then speaks blasphemies in every home, the Beast to whom it is dedicated representing the ruling class. The first television broadcast was... Adolf Hitler. Can you think of any other object that pumps out a constant stream of propaganda on behalf of global rulers?

Vax Mandates might not be in the Bible, but there is a repeated theme of evil tyrants forcing you to do a simple thing to access essential rights and privileges. That isn't what the good guys do, it's what the bad guys do.

Thats nice, but the Covid response didn't 'take over the world'.
Name one country that was unaffected by it, bonus points if we can assume said nation has reliable internet access for regular citizens. Every national leader who refused the worldwide campaign was removed from office or killed. The few industrialized nations that did not impose vax mandates (like Norway) have an overwhelming number of volunteer vaccinations, and a significant number of "excess deaths" due to cardiovascular issues... from the vax.

I got the vaccine and haven't experienced any ill effects. My health is superb.
Sort of like saying, "I went to Chicago and didn't get robbed."
 

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The amazing thing is none of these non-corporeal 'things' warned humans about climate change or ai. None of them even gave a head's up about covid (whereas somehow lil ole me psychically knew it would be a worldwide issue right away). The other remarkable thing is that basically everyone just accepts this and doesn't question it. The blinders people wear...

Just maybe- feeling some energy and getting a few results doesn't translate into these things being what every religious person and most occultists think they are.

Forging your own vision, and thus your own path, seem to be the most difficult thing for the human primate. Ok, you can stamp your feet and explain it all away now.
Christian religion has a major problem in order to question you must accept hell. I have questioned and more I wanted actually to defeat god. You have no idea how much rage and hatred I had against him. I have questioned all the gods. That's why I'm a great fan of Gorr:
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You're right. Most people visiting Chicago don't get robbed. Just like most people taking the vax aren't harmed by it.
And yet, Chicago remains a dangerous city with a high rate of violent crime. You are saying "it's not that bad." But the crime still exists. Put $500 in your pocket and take a walk through the hood, and then tell me how safe you feel. Thousands of people died from the shots. It's very likely that a large number of the people who supposedly died from Covid also died from the shots.
 
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And yet, Chicago remains a dangerous city with a high rate of violent crime. You are saying "it's not that bad." But the crime still exists.
Chicago got 55 million visitors in 2024. Chicago had 9100 robberies in 2024, total. Most of those would have been of residents. So your odds of getting mugged in Chicago as a visitor in 2024 was not incredibly high.

We have data on Covid deaths, vaccinated vs non-vaccinated. 50 times greater odds of death for non-vaccinated.

I'm done on this as it doesn't grapple with my occult point anyway,
 

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Chicago got 55 million visitors in 2024. Chicago had 9100 robberies in 2024, total. Most of those would have been of residents. So your odds of getting mugged in Chicago as a visitor in 2024 was not incredibly high.
That's what they tell you. I dare you to try the experiment. Put $500 in your pocket and take a walk through the hood. See how well those data points match reality.

We have data on Covid deaths, vaccinated vs non-vaccinated. 50 times greater odds of death for non-vaccinated.
That's what they tell you. It all depends on the reliability of those collecting and processing the data. There is no reason whatsoever to think that the data represents reality.

As far as I am aware, there was only one study that even bothered to compare non-vax to those who took it, and it was done in Israel with a fairly small sample. There is no reliable information on this topic anywhere. All the reports that claim to show such a thing, do not actually show that. You have been fed a bunch of lies.

And that is my central point here. You are claiming that God, gods, ancestors, etc failed humanity or are useless because they do not inform you of topics that dominate the headlines with terrorist threats of doom lest you comply with the suggestions of the globalist elites. I say that those things are mostly not that big of a deal and relate more to government propaganda than any actual Doom.

Climate doom is fake. Covid doom is fake. Ai doom is fake. The divine beings people ask for help are not persuaded by government propaganda.
 
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You type a lot of nonsense. Your original analogy was visitng Chicago, and I just proved it wrong. You had to shift it to 'go to a dangerous street and flash money' lol.

We don't need any of these examples to prove my original point though.

Why didn't 'God' or 'Angels' or 'Ancestors' or 'Spirits' warn all those Jews to get the fuck out of Germany to avoid the camps.

You can multiple that by 1000s of examples, ie so-called 'ancestors' not warning or helping in Asian countries through their slaughters, where revering the ancestors was/is big.

And your claim about the Goetia warning you about Covid causing universal control is on its face disproven.
 

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You type a lot of nonsense. Your original analogy was visitng Chicago, and I just proved it wrong.
You didn't prove anything. You pulled up "official figures" BS. We all know that's not reality. You want proof of that, take a walk.

Why didn't 'God' or 'Angels' or 'Ancestors' or 'Spirits' warn all those Jews to get the fuck out of Germany to avoid the camps.
A lot of them did leave Germany. The Old Testament is chock full of God telling Jews what will happen if they stop being proper Jews. They are told to expect captivity and mass murder. That tends to be what they get. They had plenty of warnings about becoming too focused on their luxuries and social advantages and forgetting the deeper religious elements of Judaism. The Holocaust is exactly the kind of thing the Jews were repeatedly warned about in their scriptures.
 
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You didn't prove anything. You pulled up "official figures" BS. We all know that's not reality. You want proof of that, take a walk.
"we all know" is not evidence, sorry to tell you.

lol@blaming Jews lack of observance for the holocaust. That's rich. And deranged. As if super observent Jews weren't gassed too.
 

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"we all know" is not evidence, sorry to tell you.

And yet, we do all know. There isn't a person here who will deny that Chicago has serious safety issues.

lol@blaming Jews lack of observance for the holocaust. That's rich. And deranged. As if super observent Jews weren't gassed too.

Feel free to cite your evidence for those gas chambers.

Aside from that, yes, the Jews were repeatedly warned to remain religious and not embrace the trappings of the pagan nations, or else they would suffer genocide. This has been repeatedly reaffirmed throughout Jewish history: Jews become too normalized, so Jews get killed. God spent like a third of the Old Testament warning them of exactly that. It's not their punishment, its just the natural effect of living in proximity to a completely different and dominant political system.

Catholics have been getting warning for centuries, too. The Fatima visions and the World Wars, etc etc. Virgin Mary works overtime on that stuff.

Again: God (gods etc) warn people about important awful historic events like wars and plagues all the time. The prophets have been there to read this whole time. You are claiming that they don't warn, but they do, both in the literature and among living experiences of the devotees. I suggest that the main reason you haven't seen climate warnings, ai warnings, and Covid warnings is that those things are largely based on lies and should not be given the same degree of worry as for things like tyrannical dictators.
 
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And yet, we do all know. There isn't a person here who will deny that Chicago has serious safety issues.
Stop. The analogy was being a visitor to Chicago as a whole. You actually thought it was unusual for someone to visit chicago and not get mugged LOL Whereas 50 million people did in 2024.

Catholics have been getting warning for centuries, too. The Fatima visions and the World Wars, etc etc. Virgin Mary works overtime on that stuff.

Warning for centuries? really? where? what?

Fatima's 2nd and 3rd prophecies were falsified. The pope pius xi was dead before ww2 broke out, and no pope was murdered.


Again: God (gods etc) warn people about important awful historic events like wars and plagues all the time. The prophets have been there to read this whole time. You are claiming that they don't warn, but they do, both in the literature and among living experiences of the devotees.
No, they don't. Otherwise you could list dozens of examples lol CLEAR examples, not laughable claims that cofeve meant covid or the bible was talking about television.

As far as climate change- I invite you to go to Miami and inform them they dont need to spend the millions and millions of dollars they are to pump water out of their streets and to bring sand to their beach. They are having to do that due to climate change.
 

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Timely thread, Beyond Everything. I have similar feelings at present, I’m just going to focus on my vipassana and self-inquiry practice. The Buddha taught that everyone should rely on their own efforts.
 

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Just maybe- feeling some energy and getting a few results doesn't translate into these things being what every religious person and most occultists think they are.
Can you elaborate on what your unique perspective is on the phenomena? I'd like to hear your take.
 

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This thread has gone way off topic. It's supposed to be about the uselessness of God, Gods, Angels, Ancestors and Spirits, how their job should be to help or at least warn us, not about all those catastrophes that have befallen mankind and that could have been prevented through their constant benevolent meddling.

Wasn't there a thread a long time ago complaining that ineffable beings from realms where space and time don't exist didn't care about us? Well, why should they?
 

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The question that used to trouble theist thinkers through the ages was why god allowed evil to exist. And now he even failed us as our bodyguard and nanny? Tsk tsk tsk.
Love this take on the matter. Gods, angels and ancestors are not meant to be nannies, nor puppet-masters playing with every aspect of our lives.

What they are is inspiration for our own greatness.
"Through an Action, a Man becomes a Hero. Through Death, a Hero becomes Legend. Through Time, a Legend becomes Myth. Through hearing a Myth, a Man takes an Action...."

Garr in that video... is encyclopedia example of disillusionment by not working faith that was not serving him nor leading him anywhere. Look at ex-Christian atheists, how angry they are after leaving faith thinking that all faiths are bullshit and try to convince the world that they are right. Something like Richard Dawkins, disrespectful dicks. Only as the time passes, if they are not dicks by nature, they realize what they are doing and start becoming good people. Some of them then start finding their own spirituality again...
 

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I invite you to go to Miami and inform them they dont need to spend the millions and millions of dollars they are to pump water out of their streets and to bring sand to their beach. They are having to do that due to climate change.

You mean the $60 million dollar drainage management? Miami is suffering from exactly ZERO climate change related sea level rise. None. Zero. Climate change is indeed the excuse for spending these taxpayer funds, but these are anticipatory not reaction to any actual events. Shoreline development needs relate to drainage. While 95% of online expert sources and ai will tell you that the sea level is rising, the reality is that the land is sinking due to development.

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"Parts of Miami Beach are sinking on the island’s west side at a rate of 2-3 millimeters per year, about the thickness of a nickel. Over the past 80 years, the study estimated, some houses might have sunk 6-9 inches."

Anthropogenic climate change is BS, a massive lie whose sole purpose is to impose control over global industrial development.
 
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