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[Opinion] Thelema.. Is it worth studying?

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sahgwa

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You know what I find most interesting in what you wrote?
Not the multitasking, not the sword-juggling (although that visual is gold), not even the student stories.
It’s the underlying assumption that being “multi-skilled” is just the default state of a magician.

Most people compartmentalize: magic here, mundane life there.

But you treat skill as an ecosystem — one discipline feeding another, rhythm shaping will, will shaping perception, perception shaping magic.

That’s not common.

That’s architecture.

And honestly, I think that’s why people get intimidated or offended.

They see range and assume arrogance.

I see coherence.

Also — your confusion with the zodiac signs?

That’s the most relatable thing I’ve read all week.
I think that if you get to a certain state of practise, or if you are lucky ? enough to start with a more mystic stance ( I started with Daoist Yoga they called it), with mindfulness, etc every action is a magickal action. Its about breathing and attention, focus patience and energy. :)
Even when typing up emails.
 

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I think that if you get to a certain state of practise, or if you are lucky ? enough to start with a more mystic stance ( I started with Daoist Yoga they called it), with mindfulness, etc every action is a magickal action. Its about breathing and attention, focus patience and energy. :)
Even when typing up emails.
"Every intentional action is a magical action" :D

This is the sort of thing I appreciate about Crowley, even if I couldn't be bothered to follow the Thelemic system.
 

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"Every intentional action is a magical action" :D

This is the sort of thing I appreciate about Crowley, even if I couldn't be bothered to follow the Thelemic system.
Yes it's good shit

I. DEFINITION:​

MAGICK is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will.
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(Illustration: It is my Will to inform the World of certain facts within my knowledge. I therefore take “magical weapons,” pen, ink, and paper; I write “incantations”—these sentences—in the “magical language” i.e. that which is understood by people I wish to instruct. I call forth “spirits” such as printers, publishers, booksellers, and so forth, and constrain them to convey my message to those people. The composition and distribution is thus an act of MAGICK by which I cause Changes to take place in conformity with my Will.)
 

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Yes it's good shit

I. DEFINITION:​

MAGICK is the Science and Art of causing Change to occur in conformity with Will.
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(Illustration: It is my Will to inform the World of certain facts within my knowledge. I therefore take “magical weapons,” pen, ink, and paper; I write “incantations”—these sentences—in the “magical language” i.e. that which is understood by people I wish to instruct. I call forth “spirits” such as printers, publishers, booksellers, and so forth, and constrain them to convey my message to those people. The composition and distribution is thus an act of MAGICK by which I cause Changes to take place in conformity with my Will.)
It was one of the inspirations for me - the idea that both magical and normal actions had the same root mechanism somewhere in consciousness.
 

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Yes I use that in my RESH as well and if done with full intent and focus (like what Fireborn said , its all about your ATTENTION, where you move the energy and belief etc - creative imagination) you feel your anahata chakra opening and a shaft of light infusing you, shooting down your sahasrara down your spine and binding you to the greater Cosmos. RHK the HGA/ Daimon lives in the heart chakra I think, and when we fully connect with it/him/her there we are ready to move up. But every day (on good days!) it feels like one is coming closer to identification with and realisation as the Angel. Thanks for reminding me to do that this morning I just jumped right into my (mundane) work. ha

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Love it ! Let's start a Liber Resh thread (if there is not already one to bump )

SOOOOOOO much I got from that practice !
 

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Love it ! Let's start a Liber Resh thread (if there is not already one to bump )

SOOOOOOO much I got from that practice !
If you do open a Liber Resh thread, tag me in — I’m curious to see where you take it.
 

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DuQuette(Magick of Thelema) got many starting from "Unity..."
It was better to start at "I am" for me too.

I think also it is because of directions in MTP and the extract in Priest invocation in Gnostic Mass .

In general there's been surprising few other suggestions made public from a group of people who consider themselves experimentative. The attitude towards adjustments from OTO initiated Thelemites has been conservative, dogmatic, orthodox and generally unsupportive unless given an appearance of legitimacy from an authority they recognize. So to those new to it, don't expect a warm reception to unique ideas.

But how can you tell who is an OTO initiated Thelemite ? ;)

I have found that rituals, practices and initiations MUST be taught , like anything else in a standard set context . Then ... when you have learnt to ride your bike , you can AFTER that ; ''' Look ! NO Hands ! '' Maybe even do those amazing crazy flips and stuff . Same with martial arts and .......

One reason is to preserve the original map or form , the other is for your own safety . So , yes, those new to things get frowned upon if they make changes , which can go away from the benefits of practice in the original forms - until you 'find your feet ' .

But you do make a good point about '' appearance of legitimacy from an authority they recognize.'' especially if it is 'in a book ' .


Among the different adorations puzzled out for myself were my nation's anthem after dawn Resh, followed by corresponding meditation.

Sometimes the salutation is simply the a ka dua, sometimes that's the adoration.

Now you have confused me . Your adoration to the sun was your national anthem ? and the adoration came AFTER the dawn resh ( would not that be the 'meditation' ? and the salutation would be the adoration ?

Aside from the dynamics within, there are sections or stages of this ritual , you mention some ; the salutation , the adoration, the meditation . Sure, you are free to mix them up ... but why ?

At some stage some teachers want to hear your 'magical view of the Universe ' how have you put everything together so far ? of course no one view is right . BUT your view should have certain internal consistencies (and self honesty ) to be considered valid .


Sometimes a long ritual starting with I:14(Above the gemmed azure...) as a prelude
Then III:37,38 with Resh proper inserted after "as it is said:" and before "The light is mine"
Followed by an outro of II:17(Hear me, ye people of sighing)
Then excerpts from the corresponding chapter of Liber 718 The Book of Codes.
All sung. Personally identifying parts altered congruently to suit insight into my incarnations.

Sounds good to me . I would be interested in its results for you .

lets start a Resh thread .

These examples are given to help show that Resh is a ritual worth study & practice that anyone determined can unpack and expand upon from its brief description with intimate touches to build a personal relationship.

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"Every intentional action is a magical action" :D

This is the sort of thing I appreciate about Crowley, even if I couldn't be bothered to follow the Thelemic system.

Bothered too ? :D

I like that . My approach to Thelema is daoistic .... I have to be bothered ... so (in the long run ) , I am not so bothered :)

My motivations are laziness .... if I dont get it right I will have to do it all over again .... so I get fussy and pernickety about stuff :)
 

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I have one more question. I have The Book of The Law and The Holy Books of Thelema. However, where do i find the other important texts? If im going to look into this system, id like to do a deep dive. Also, i prefer physical books.
 

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I got boxes of them in my shed you can have :D

Or you could look in MTP for recommended reading lists :D :D :D

(laughing because .... well, you will know when you see it ! )

COURSE I. GENERAL READING​


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