Book Discussion Thoughts on the Quareia course materials?

[pwrsurg35]

I wouldn't see that as fate. I would say rhe woman has deeper unconscious blockages and deep down doesn't want the job because it is contrary to her deeper desires . I don't believe in external fate.

Can I read the ending portion of the adept course online?

I mean you can read the lesson online- but she doesnt give you any results magic/spells or anything- she tells you to go and do your own research and experimenting so you can determine your use of it.

 

[Yvonne]

I mean you can read the lesson online- but she doesnt give you any results magic/spells or anything- she tells you to go and do your own research and experimenting so you can determine your use of it.

I found it. I don't agree .she says all results magicians she knows are broke unhappy etc.
She doesn't know all of them. She just puts out her opinion as if it were fact , as if she were God

Post automatically merged: Apr 23, 2025

https://www.reddit.com/r/occult/comments/183tc31

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

See hermeticbear post third down I think

 

[pwrsurg35]

I found it. I don't agree .she says all results magicians she knows are broke unhappy etc.
She doesn't know all of them. She just puts out her opinion as if it were fact , as if she were God

Post automatically merged: Apr 23, 2025

https://www.reddit.com/r/occult/comments/183tc31

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

See hermeticbear post third down I think

She said all the results magicians SHE KNOWS not ALL results magicians...
But she also says if you are a person who is living in balance then you would need to use results magic for any minor need because you will have everything you need.
You would be living in flow- and things will happen for you without you needing to cast for it.

I wonder your opinion on Franz Bardon or other writers. Many will speak with authority because they have the responsibility to guide unseen students in a path of magic. They do not want to misguide anyone or to have potential responsibility of bad actions of the students they teach. If ultimately it turns people away- then it might be for the best for that student to seek a different path.

For me personally I see a sense of humor in her writing where appropriate and a strong counsel where needed. I come into the course with an open mind and without my own previously held opinions- and when I had some I am open to challenging them so that I can learn. I cannot say that I agree with everything outright. But I am open minded because I am learning magic- and she and her team are the adepts with the years of experience. All of the things she writes in the course is coming from her direct personal experience as she says she doesnt want to talk about theories. I think thats valuable. I should also mention that the learning from the course comes from doing the exercises and rituals and documenting your experiences. Simply reading the material will not bring the same level of understanding.

But honestly Quareia is not for everyone. Its important for people to recognize that and find the path that is best for them. Luckily in our times we have a lot of material available to us. I think its more productive to explore the other options than to look for faults in a system you might not like and spread it around to others to try to discourage others from it- if it turns out it might actually be right for them. Let others work through it on their own. If they discover its not right for them that is ok. They can be guided elsewhere to continue their path if needed.

 

[Yvonne]

She said all the results magicians SHE KNOWS not ALL results magicians...
But she also says if you are a person who is living in balance then you would need to use results magic for any minor need because you will have everything you need.
You would be living in flow- and things will happen for you without you needing to cast for it.

I wonder your opinion on Franz Bardon or other writers. Many will speak with authority because they have the responsibility to guide unseen students in a path of magic. They do not want to misguide anyone or to have potential responsibility of bad actions of the students they teach. If ultimately it turns people away- then it might be for the best for that student to seek a different path.

For me personally I see a sense of humor in her writing where appropriate and a strong counsel where needed. I come into the course with an open mind and without my own previously held opinions- and when I had some I am open to challenging them so that I can learn. I cannot say that I agree with everything outright. But I am open minded because I am learning magic- and she and her team are the adepts with the years of experience. All of the things she writes in the course is coming from her direct personal experience as she says she doesnt want to talk about theories. I think thats valuable. I should also mention that the learning from the course comes from doing the exercises and rituals and documenting your experiences. Simply reading the material will not bring the same level of understanding.

But honestly Quareia is not for everyone. Its important for people to recognize that and find the path that is best for them. Luckily in our times we have a lot of material available to us. I think its more productive to explore the other options than to look for faults in a system you might not like and spread it around to others to try to discourage others from it- if it turns out it might actually be right for them. Let others work through it on their own. If they discover its not right for them that is ok. They can be guided elsewhere to continue their path if needed.

That is what i said all the results magicians she knows . Everything she says is as defined by her . Her opinion . Her experiences. Her disinterest in theory . But she writes as if it is fact. Just her opinions . Loads of results magician get on not even knowing her and I do not believe they all have backlash.

 

[Dona]

Do you know any Quareia adepts who have completed the course?

 

[Yvonne]

Do you know any Quareia adepts who have completed the course?

No.

 

[Thee Nightfool]

Repackaged Golden Dawn/Hermeticism. Why does anyone need or want this?

 

[Yvonne]

Repackaged Golden Dawn/Hermeticism. Why does anyone need or want this?

Because she thinks her opinions are facts and some accept that

 

[Dona]

Because she thinks her opinions are facts and some accept that

Did you have a bad personal experience with her?

 

[Sabbatius]

McCarthy is a bit of a hodge-podge. She is still Ceremonial in most regards, but she has blended a lot from various sources and dismissed much from the HOGD. She admittedly dislikes a lot of the traditional workings of the HOGD- like drawing triangles, circles and stars in mid-air towards compass points.

 

[tranmut3]

Because she thinks her opinions are facts and some accept that

Yvonne, it seems like you have some sort of grudge / axe to grind against Quareia or Josephine Mccarthy. there are many different systems of magic, and some you will not like. but that's ok.
why are you so upset / offended with her approach?
I myself have used / use / am following the Quaeria system and think it's fascinating + fantastic. It's clear to me that JM is as genuine as they come and that her system absolutely works and is real. So i'm a little confused with your negativity, which you havent actually explained your reasons for at all.
So what's your story? why are you so upset with Quaeria or Josephine M? Did she personally upset you or offend you somehow?

 

[Yvonne]

Did you have a bad personal experience with her?

No. I never had any experience with her .only read some of her writing and heard part of podcasts . Gives me impression of being full of herself .

Post automatically merged: May 16, 2025

Yvonne, it seems like you have some sort of grudge / axe to grind against Quareia or Josephine Mccarthy. there are many different systems of magic, and some you will not like. but that's ok.
why are you so upset / offended with her approach?
I myself have used / use / am following the Quaeria system and think it's fascinating + fantastic. It's clear to me that JM is as genuine as they come and that her system absolutely works and is real. So i'm a little confused with your negativity, which you havent actually explained your reasons for at all.
So what's your story? why are you so upset with Quaeria or Josephine M? Did she personally upset you or offend you somehow?

I'm entitled to my opinion . I think she's full of herself and thinks her opinions are facts. You shouldn't define that ad a grudge . That's like something she'd do. I never had any contact with her. Saying results magic will cause some sort of lack of balance is just nonsense, in my opinion . We are entitled to opinions ?

 

[Thee Nightfool]

I just find it funny there's quite a few individuals out there oohing and aahing over the what she teaches, but it's literally just repackaged Golden Dawn material.

 

[Dona]

I just find it funny there's quite a few individuals out there oohing and aahing over the what she teaches, but it's literally just repackaged Golden Dawn material.

Have you studied the Golden Dawn's curriculum?

 

[Yvonne]

I just find it funny there's quite a few individuals out there oohing and aahing over the what she teaches, but it's literally just repackaged Golden Dawn material.

What did the GD say about results magick ,if anything ?

 

[Omee]

(current post is 1:1 from my blog, thinking it's not worth it to make a new whole thread for this if I can post it. I hope it is alright <3 )

Critique of Quareia: Genuine Inner contact mangled by a spiritualist?​

Honestly I thought it would be a low-ball from me to make the first image the Inner Librarian the cover photo...haha

So this is a compilation of my of Critique Quareia, not in a disparaging way and I don't really want to bring it down in it's practical/good things in it, except that some parts and pieces in it you want to step back and not take it as a whole. I hope that this is blog isn't taken as an outright attack but a consideration instead of jumping into it headfirst without thinking about it. In the provocative sense of Josephine I give a title that might not be so accurate

1. Unconventional names? Grindstone, Unraveller...Imprisoner? (Saturn/Pluto)​

In Apprentice Module we are presented with a specific imagery of Saturn and Pluto which are the grindstone and the Unraveller and there's no problem with these concepts but it seize up or freeze their imagery into one "form" instead of allowing more varied form of manifestation to come through. I agree that there's a certain emphasis here on some forces, but I don't know if it validate the placement of these forces in pentagram-esque ritual like the LBRP-copycat. I personally don't think it is suitable to be invoking these forces or banging them out in this manner, but there' might be some benefit to working with these forces as excessively as they are presented. It might be my own misunderstanding of how it is taught but I don't genuinely understand why Saturn and Pluto are worked with extensively if not for a hidden ulterior motive or to rewire you to a different tandem/rhythm. Apprentice Module 2, Lesson 3:

Look up your planets again in relation to you standing in the centre of the chart/pentagram. Focus on the positions of Saturn and Pluto: make sure you know where they are in your natal chart, and where that puts them in relation to you standing in the room

2. Warning of Oath taking then implicit oath are presented.​

Apprentice Module 10, Lesson 8 we find the following passage

“Limiter, servant of the angel of Merciful Wisdom, tool of the Grindstone, I hold you in my right hand of justice and judgement. May my labours be merciful in true wisdom, and by holding you in my right hand, I submit my work and actions to my own scales and judgement from this day on.” [...] Remember, from now on, for the rest of your life, you have agreed to be judged in this life and to walk the path of the Mysteries. It is not a vow or a promise, it is acceptance and agreement. If you choose to walk away from that agreement, there is no punishment: you always have a choice. But remember, the path of the Mysteries will always be there in your life from now on, even if you choose not to be. Regardless of what you choose to do in your life, those dynamics will stay with you. If you step away from magic, those dynamics will still flow through your life in one way or another, and rather than make you a magician, they will move you towards being a better person. Think wisely before you act, and treat everything that happens in your life, for good and bad, as a stepping stone to wisdom and knowledge.

Now maybe this is an agreement but the framework or the context of stuff happening is very close to an oath. I personally felt the way that visionary magic was described was VERY close or akin to taking an oath.

3. Hate of Result Magic, Arbatel having some destructive magic forces in it, PGM is parasite ridden magic text.​

and she have weird stuff to say about getting practical results:

If you try to dodge that growth process through results magic, you will not only end up magically weak and ineffective, but you will also start to slide down the long slope of degeneracy as a magician. For example, I have been in magic for nearly forty years, and I have connections with magicians all over the world. I have yet to meet a long-term results magician who is not broke, lonely, sick, depressed and screwed up. They all do well for a small number of years… and then the backlash comes home to roost.

I don't really know if this is a good approach or many of these opinions could be seen as controversial and challengingly blunt. I just think that there's more to it and sometime it feel like she's intentionally writing in this provocative manner to bring attention. No hate in anyway I just genuinely think it's not the best way you would be banging texts after texts in the same tone.

4.Closure​

I have to be honest and say that everyone is human and these notes I have don't really remove or destroy all potential benefits from the systems, as

Please, Log in or Register to view URLs content!

in term of ancestral veneration variation/change. I would just step back and think about the system as a whole because of culturally disassociating from her own "dressing" of tradition, if the system is Rosicrucian/cabbalist in nature and the signboards/markers are made ambiguous; there's something disingenuous going on. Maybe she's reestablishing the inner contact through a different "portal" or a different "gate". That's my main problem or crux that's bothering me, why is she trying to distance herself from her tradition? is there something wrong with the point of contacts she established before that she need to establish them a new for other people? is there a different intention? Is there some cultural rewiring or cultural apprehension of the systems she worked with that she previously? In a sense that's my closing statement. Tread carefully but don't miss out on some good insights and gems in her writings.

 

[Abromoskot]

3. Hate of Result Magic, Arbatel having some destructive magic forces in it, PGM is parasite ridden magic text.​

Do you have notes regarding when she talks about the PGM? I don't remember reading about that, but yes I remember her section on the Arbatel, seemed really strange to me, considering how "simple" and "nice" the whole book is in general.

 

[Omee]

Do you have notes regarding when she talks about the PGM? I don't remember reading about that, but yes I remember her section on the Arbatel, seemed really strange to me, considering how "simple" and "nice" the whole book is in general.

Here you go:

2:19:51
It really depends on what that name is actually attached to. When you're looking at Greco-Roman magic—like the Greek Magical Papyri from Alexandria—you're dealing with very low-level, parasitic magic.


2:20:02
It's essentially the bottom of the barrel in terms of Egyptian magical practice.


2:20:08
So when you engage in that kind of work, you have no idea what you're actually tapping into.


2:20:13
You might have a spirit's name or a divine invocation, but you don't know what it's truly connected to—because it wasn't used long enough in the right way, and was used far too long in the wrong way.

---

From the following podcast/interview:

 

[Abromoskot]

Here you go:

---

From the following podcast/interview:

Well that's certainty an opinion...