Vaccine

[MarkDM]

Some people are in more mortal danger than others; I was one of the high risk people, due to age and COPD. Playing Russian roulette with a nasty respiratory infection is not a good idea for someone such as myself - too many full chambers in the gun. And although the vaccinated can still contract Covid, they contract it at a much lower rate, and therefore are far less likely to pass it on to someone for whom it is far more lethal. It's a brother's keeper kinda thing. If, because I didn't choose to vaccinate, I caught it and then infected someone with it who subsequently died, I'd feel terrible; it would prey upon my conscience and eat at me from the inside, and I think most decent people would feel the same way. And people with autoimmune disorders are both more susceptible to terminal consequences and unable, due to those very disorders, to themselves be vaccinated. The same goes for those who are taking meds to suppress bodily rejections to transplants.

Very interesting point of view to be honest. Personally never thought of it that way.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

Some people are in more mortal danger than others; I was one of the high risk people, due to age and COPD. Playing Russian roulette with a nasty respiratory infection is not a good idea for someone such as myself - too many full chambers in the gun. And although the vaccinated can still contract Covid, they contract it at a much lower rate, and therefore are far less likely to pass it on to someone for whom it is far more lethal. It's a brother's keeper kinda thing. If, because I didn't choose to vaccinate, I caught it and then infected someone with it who subsequently died, I'd feel terrible; it would prey upon my conscience and eat at me from the inside, and I think most decent people would feel the same way. And people with autoimmune disorders are both more susceptible to terminal consequences and unable, due to those very disorders, to themselves be vaccinated. The same goes for those who are taking meds to suppress bodily rejections to transplants.

All of this, exactly. I always point out that the purpose of the vaccine is not to stop you getting Covid, it's to stop you, or anyone you give it to, dying from it.

 

[Faria]

At this point it should be fairly obvious that the whole Covid story was a lie. The only people who still buy the bat soup thing are people who actually believe what they see on TV and don't recognize it as propaganda.

I don't know anyone who died from Covid who were not very old or very sick. Even those people were subjected to bogus medical treatments which were probably at fault. Every single person put on a ventilator in the hospital here died, and it wasn't Covid that killed them. I have seen many people "suddenly" lose their perfectly-healthy (and generally under 45 year old) loved ones, shortly after taking the shots.

I think the Covid vaccine has zero effectiveness and is not safe at all. It doesn't make your symptoms milder or have any effect whatsoever on whether you catch it. There is nothing you can do to avoid Covid, not even staying indoors. If someone within five miles of you has it, you will eventually catch it unless you never leave the house or bring anything into it. We will all likely be getting annual Covid infection for the next several hundred years, just like the flu.

The real purpose of the "vaccine" was to remove anyone who outright refused to get it (political conservatives) from academics, industry, and politics during what was supposed to be a transitional period. Some people who took the shots believed the propaganda, some thought they needed it to access services or work; but anyone who would not submit was expelled from the decision-making functions of the modern world and opinions like those above were banned from public view.

 

[MarkDM]

At this point it should be fairly obvious that the whole Covid story was a lie. The only people who still buy the bat soup thing are people who actually believe what they see on TV and don't recognize it as propaganda.

I don't know anyone who died from Covid who were not very old or very sick. Even those people were subjected to bogus medical treatments which were probably at fault. Every single person put on a ventilator in the hospital here died, and it wasn't Covid that killed them. I have seen many people "suddenly" lose their perfectly-healthy (and generally under 45 year old) loved ones, shortly after taking the shots.

I think the Covid vaccine has zero effectiveness and is not safe at all. It doesn't make your symptoms milder or have any effect whatsoever on whether you catch it. There is nothing you can do to avoid Covid, not even staying indoors. If someone within five miles of you has it, you will eventually catch it unless you never leave the house or bring anything into it. We will all likely be getting annual Covid infection for the next several hundred years, just like the flu.

The real purpose of the "vaccine" was to remove anyone who outright refused to get it (political conservatives) from academics, industry, and politics during what was supposed to be a transitional period. Some people who took the shots believed the propaganda, some thought they needed it to access services or work; but anyone who would not submit was expelled from the decision-making functions of the modern world and opinions like those above were banned from public view.

Yep. And extremely interesting view on the real purpose of the vaccines. I believed it to be a more sinister reason for the enforcement on the world, though I hope that your reason was their real reason as I took it, unknowingly at the time.

 

[Mrknshtkaah]

At this point it should be fairly obvious that the whole Covid story was a lie. The only people who still buy the bat soup thing are people who actually believe what they see on TV and don't recognize it as propaganda.

I don't know anyone who died from Covid who were not very old or very sick. Even those people were subjected to bogus medical treatments which were probably at fault. Every single person put on a ventilator in the hospital here died, and it wasn't Covid that killed them. I have seen many people "suddenly" lose their perfectly-healthy (and generally under 45 year old) loved ones, shortly after taking the shots.

I think the Covid vaccine has zero effectiveness and is not safe at all. It doesn't make your symptoms milder or have any effect whatsoever on whether you catch it. There is nothing you can do to avoid Covid, not even staying indoors. If someone within five miles of you has it, you will eventually catch it unless you never leave the house or bring anything into it. We will all likely be getting annual Covid infection for the next several hundred years, just like the flu.

The real purpose of the "vaccine" was to remove anyone who outright refused to get it (political conservatives) from academics, industry, and politics during what was supposed to be a transitional period. Some people who took the shots believed the propaganda, some thought they needed it to access services or work; but anyone who would not submit was expelled from the decision-making functions of the modern world and opinions like those above were banned from public view.

I never fully bought the Hunan food market story. And when I found out that there was a Hunan-based biolab doing gain-of-function experiments with wild-captured Covid strains, it became quite obvious that an engineered variant created for the purposes of contagion and containment research had somehow found its way past the lab safeguards, which were known to be lax, and out of the biolab into the local genpop, most likely inadvertently contracted and transmitted by lab staff. But it was not an intentional release to cause havoc or to extend regime control or cull thoughtcrimers; the last thing any government wants to do is pandemicize its own people, and pandemics always end up spreading quite rapidly and getting into every country, so remotely releasing it in an adversary's territory just means that they'll get it sooner and you'll get it later (and not much later). The only way that something like that could work is if you selectively immunized your own population, and ONLY your own population, in advance, but as soon as you didn't start losing people like everyone else, you'd be justifiably tagged as the source and perpetrator. But in fact, a lot of people died from Covid all over the globe. The US lost more than a million. I know that people love to embrace conspiracy theories because being able to identify and condemn an identifiable malign actor is simpler, and makes people feels safer and more empowered, than accepting and admitting that bad random sh!t that is out of our control and can cause us major grief can sometimes just happen. But areas in which a greater percentage of the indigenous population rejected Covid vaccination had higher death rates, proportional to the degree of vaccine rejection - just like the infection rates we are seeing in the recent measles outbreaks where (and ONLY where) vaccination rates have dropped.

BTW, the most infectious disease that we know of is measles, and even it isn't known to typically transmit over five miles of open air, unless someone is stratospherically unlucky, like a girl getting pregnant from a random sperm cell while swimming in a public pool. People need to be breathing the same air not a helluva long time after infected people breathed it if they're gonna contract airborne viruses, which is why respiratory-contracted infections spike in the winter, when people spend more time indoors together avoiding the cold outside air. Covid resembles influenza, pneumonia, RSV and pseudomonas in this regard.

 

[jkeller293]

I got Moderna purely because I was in the second wave of vaccinations after nurses and very old people, plus the fact that Pfizer had a much shorter shelf life.

One of the most dangerous things about Covid is that it could screw up our immune systems. We actually have two immune systems; a simpler, more primitive one that basically just raises your temperature to try and slow down any infection, and the second, more sophisicated one that creates antibodies to latch directly onto the invaders.

A lot of people early on got very ill and died because that first immune system created what is known as a cytosine storm. Basically, its reaction was so violent to Covid that it overwhelmed the body - an autoimmune reaction to the virus.

For some reason i suspect the human mind to have link between the immune system response to a virus. Of course i dont believe it to be in 100 percent control of that as we do have inherited genetics and diet as variables to this. What do you think?

 

[Robert Ramsay]

For some reason i suspect the human mind to have link between the immune system response to a virus. Of course i dont believe it to be in 100 percent control of that as we do have inherited genetics and diet as variables to this. What do you think?

What you are describing is the placebo effect, except that the placebo effect can affect much more than just our response to a virus.

The placebo effect is a magical effect, so no, there will not be 100% control, as the conscious mind will interfere with it.

 

[Faria]

remotely releasing it in an adversary's territory just means that they'll get it sooner and you'll get it later (and not much later). The only way that something like that could work is if you selectively immunized your own population, and ONLY your own population, in advance, but as soon as you didn't start losing people like everyone else, you'd be justifiably tagged as the source and perpetrator. But in fact, a lot of people died from Covid all over the globe. The US lost more than a million.

During the same time period as Covid, about the same number of people died from tobacco-related causes, per CDC figures.

You can debate the lethality of tobacco and not get the same level of censorship.

So it was never a real threat to the population from the disease. It killed less than 2% of the infected, mostly those who were elderly or required special care. Those losses are a huge financial blessing to any government that spends a lot supporting the old and the sick. Restrictive social protocols were designed to prevent the medical system from being overwhelmed. Masks were another huge propaganda lie, it just became a way to easily separate the non-compliant people on sight.

The result, intended or not, was a shake-up of world trade. It permanently ended the Hong Kong independence movement and ushered in an era of remote work. Suddenly labor split into people who do actual labor in hot places and people who get paid to sit at home with their cat. Covid protocols ruined any gains claimed by the 45th President in his attempt to defeat the CCP in a trade war. The virus did none of that, the pre-planned strategies to manage it did.

 

[MarkDM]

During the same time period as Covid, about the same number of people died from tobacco-related causes, per CDC figures.

You can debate the lethality of tobacco and not get the same level of censorship.

So it was never a real threat to the population from the disease. It killed less than 2% of the infected, mostly those who were elderly or required special care. Those losses are a huge financial blessing to any government that spends a lot supporting the old and the sick. Restrictive social protocols were designed to prevent the medical system from being overwhelmed. Masks were another huge propaganda lie, it just became a way to easily separate the non-compliant people on sight.

The result, intended or not, was a shake-up of world trade. It permanently ended the Hong Kong independence movement and ushered in an era of remote work. Suddenly labor split into people who do actual labor in hot places and people who get paid to sit at home with their cat. Covid protocols ruined any gains claimed by the 45th President in his attempt to defeat the CCP in a trade war. The virus did none of that, the pre-planned strategies to manage it did.

And it just HAPPENED to be most dangerous to the elderly, at least that's the common theme. Elder people have no purpose to the elite. As Henry Kissinger stated, they are useless eaters. Which in the eyes of governments, makes total sense. They can't work (pay their taxes), and they're literally leeching off of government money. Why WOULD you want to keep those people alive if you were a malicious government? Just food for thought.

 

[SkullTraill]

And it just HAPPENED to be most dangerous to the elderly, at least that's the common theme. Elder people have no purpose to the elite. As Henry Kissinger stated, they are useless eaters. Which in the eyes of governments, makes total sense. They can't work (pay their taxes), and they're literally leeching off of government money. Why WOULD you want to keep those people alive if you were a malicious government? Just food for thought.

Anything is more dangerous to the very young, the elderly, and those with certain conditions. That's why they are considered medically (and otherwise) vulnerable.

That's not to say I don't have theories about the virus and its vaccine. Just nitpicking the fact that you think the virus was engineered for (or would even have to be) specifically older people.