IMHO a vampire must show respect to the magic in all it forms enought to not abuse of it just for a cash grab, but here in my country Yoruba is a bussiness i talk with a Babalawo and i say to him why so much bussiness around religion and he told me that magical services always are being just another job for men specially if its a good magical services but like i said in the beginning one must respect these things
Perhaps you are correct about respecting these things. While I do not condone capitalizing on your practice I do support several practitioners that do. However, when you think about it. Without people capitalizing on their practice we wouldn't know as much as the occult as we do today
I support if someone capitalizing the practice just if is a good works, for example the other day we talk about N.D Blackwood he is excesive but his teaching are not larp or false, Luis Marquez did a wonderful job letting the world know something so secretive as Aset Ka but also exposing the fake occult autors of vampirism ( Todd the fangsmith)
Oh, don't even get me started on that Father Sebastian guy too. He's as fake as it gets. And yes, I have quite a few of N.D. Blackwoods books even though most Aset Ka initiates don't like him for capitalizing his practice. But I mean, he is the real deal so I don't see why he can't if he wants.
I tend to go with the old saying about magickal workings: Know, Will, Dare, Be Silent. (The German is better: Wissen, Willen, Wagen, Schweigen.) That dictum would seem to apply to vampires, too. I understand the craving for notoriety. But it's just that a craving that turns one out of his path. I could work out a set of rationalizations, I imagine. But I'm chary of showmanship, so-called. It too easily turns to exhibitionism.
Probably because of the fact that a lot of techniques used by Vampirism practitioners involve serious black magick.
Sure .. but this is still a nonanswer - why is black magick ‘bad’? Because it imposes your will over the will of another ?
It's not bad depending on how you use it. There are definitely ways to use it for things other than malicious purposes. Consider the term "black magick" to be a term for the more risky or controversial magick. What I mean by risky is that some things you just genuinely can't go back or reverse. Plus, what you mentioned about Blackwood on vampirism is very true as I am definitely at the point of no return myself. If I wanted to go back I would have way too many things to go back on, some of which I genuinely can't reverse.
Can you give example of one such thing that puts you past a point of no return? And … no return from what exactly?
Well, as you may know, vampiric practices revolve around taking energy from around you and from others in order to either use for magickal purposes or to essentially become an astral deity after death. If you gain so much energy that you are already essentially a deity when it comes to your astral body then you can't exactly get rid of it. Plus, some deities that vampiric practitioners typically work with may require quite serious things that you can't go back on.
Wouldn’t developing an astral body be a good thing tho? I understand that vampirism includes taking energy from others, but I’d argue that the extreme majority of people do this unknowingly (and even knowingly) except they don’t explore and develop the techniques that allow them to do so properly, including doing it mentally/astrally/remotely. I can also see how striking a bargain likely ups the ante and can complicate things causing one not to back out of the deal.
First of all, I never said developing an astral body was a bad thing. I just said you can't Un develop it if you wish to not live after death. (which a lot of people would actually rather do) Second, I have already said multiple things that you can't go back on. But if you really need more then sure. Say you are initiated in a vampiric order such as Aset Ka. You may be allowed to speak online about it but if you were to speak in person about it you could easily end up getting killed by individuals who are afraid of you. Same if you follow Blackwoods teachings. You can easily get killed or targeted by people. And you will ALWAYS have ties to vampirism once you start. So whether you stop or not people will still target you.
Interesting … I couldn’t see people actually killing someone who told them they were a vampire in real life. Also , several of the books mention a ‘great vampyre’ quite often. Is this some veiled deity or just one I’m unaware of?
I suppose getting killed is always a function of the people you hang with. The only killings I recall hearing of were Rod Ferrell and company in the late 90's. Ferrell, a teenager who claimed to be a 500 year old vampire, and a few buddies killed his girlfriend's parents. Though, yeah, I imagine now if you went to his old haunts in (I think) Florida, the locals might get very very unfriendly. Short of that, advertising your vampire status can very easily cost you jobs. Donald Webb suggests making a joke of it if you are outed. He cites LaVey as his inspiration here. You know, wear plastic fangs to work once, act afraid of a mirror. Have a good laugh, then drop the whole matter. You're Bob, the zany guy now. Not Roberto the Undead.
If one sucks blood, he has to expect push-back from creeds that look askance at homicide. In any case, as used in today's occult, a vampire is more of an energy-hustler. Which still raises hackles among those who would treat "...each example of humanity...as always an end in itself and never merely as a means."
Yes but what is the difference.
