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[Opinion] Vampiric immortality

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True, thank you. I'm also a bit into analogue synths and diy stuff, you know the projects one always pushes foreward because of priorities. There are for example touch sensitive synthesizers & they can be made pretty easily, metal foils and chemicals and a little creativity & sigils and voila :)
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In the end the monetary system that uses and redirects human energy through mediums or media is a form of vampirism so to speak.
Huge topic, I guess it's basically almost but not fully decided yet. AI will determine that by large degrees & population development, some like musk speak of a drastic decline that will happen, and we'll officially peak in population in 2084 at over 10 billion people, but that might be bs.
If the population were to decline to extreme degrees through catastrophes we would for sure enter the brave new world scenario, because with a way smaller population and strong ai/robots serving as armies and all that good stuff the division in 2 different evolutions would be quasi set in stone for a while.

But i think we already have many things we can use today as mere mortals, but that may also change with different scenarios, like the 15 min cities and whole emissions thing- if that gets implemented fully the supply chains are reduced to a mostly local radius & it'll no longer be profitable to ship fast fashion - or useful life enhancing chemicals- around the globe. So yeah, i feel it's really just some years left to manifest ones position on one or the other side- especially when the money system gets a reset to energy tickets and planned economy.

But i think it's also not totally grim either, just achieving certain wealth and resources might not be possible then like it is now.

I'm always fascinated by different science fiction stories, just because they think in huge timespans and often 'form follows fiction'.

One of the oldest science fiction novels, 'Time Machine' by HG Wells written in 1895, has envisioned a humanity that was split into 2 different species through a very long time of very different living. Quasi radically thinking societal tedencies and the at the time fairly new evolution theory to the end. The time traveller travels to 802,701 AD, but I guess we could end up there faster.

But i ramble around again, we should go into more detail about vampirism and life extention i think 🤓

Didn't know that the movie Time Machine was based on the book. In the movie there were 3 kinds. (masters, servants and food) The movie was amazing. I'll have to check the book some day too. Thanks! You remind me of the movie Jupiter rises, where powerful people extend ther life infinitely by making a medicine from humans that they grow on many planets. A lot of preying there, not blood, but some rare cells or something that allows them to keep their youth infinitely as long as they can do that.

What will come we will see in 5 years. Every 5 years now mean very different world.
 

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Didn't know that the movie Time Machine was based on the book. In the movie there were 3 kinds. (masters, servants and food) The movie was amazing. I'll have to check the book some day too. Thanks! You remind me of the movie Jupiter rises, where powerful people extend ther life infinitely by making a medicine from humans that they grow on many planets. A lot of preying there, not blood, but some rare cells or something that allows them to keep their youth infinitely as long as they can do that.

What will come we will see in 5 years. Every 5 years now mean very different world.
And I on the other hand did not know the movie yet!

Jupiter Ascending, strangely enough I thought of that movie just a few days ago. Yeah they had the life extention topic, i remember!

A bit like an extreme version of our stemcell extraction thing- but it's also nut's how that business is run... basically they're buying fetuses from abortion clinics, yeeeeaah... not so far off to be fair.

The Matrix also has that human bodies as resources thing- I watched some things about the deeper ideas and inspirations behind the script but forgot it again.

Also a crazy series is altered carbon, bit darker story there, with a technology that traps the soul of human in a 'stack',
so people are 'reincarnated' or born into bodies the state controls :/
But for a scifi series it nailed the dark mood in some parts- and the whole overlord thing.

The best newer scifi series I saw in a while was 'Foundation', just a well rounded epos really. Also based on a pretty old scifi book from Asimov in 1951. Their take on immortality is a clone dynasty of the first emperor of the galaxy - living in 3 different ages at once.

To stay not too far from the topic- i could imagine a key to longevity could e a combo of the right frequencies- for example by advanced meditative states that could be conditioned or be induced with some help & some fluid that has all the good biological stuff.

I'm a noob really on the topic of the praxis of vampyric magick, I guess I remember that servitors often play a role here?
 

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I'm a noob really on the topic of the praxis of vampyric magick, I guess I remember that servitors often play a role here?
Yeah, some vamps use them. When I was reading Liber Hirudo, I was annoyed of the huge list of tutorials on making servitors. Seems to be quite a thing. I can definitely see a use for servitors that are stealing energy to increase Vampire's ability to feed even more energy. That is at least related to Vampiric ways.

I question this way of gaining immortality. All I think it can give vampire is a way to effectively feed on energy and if kept increasing then it only gives bigger and bigger energetic stomach to fill. Raiding this energetic rollercoaster of high energy and withdrawals feels problematic to me. To certain extend it is fine, but if you can go big, then the swings will be big too.
 

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Yeah, some vamps use them. When I was reading Liber Hirudo, I was annoyed of the huge list of tutorials on making servitors. Seems to be quite a thing. I can definitely see a use for servitors that are stealing energy to increase Vampire's ability to feed even more energy. That is at least related to Vampiric ways.

I question this way of gaining immortality. All I think it can give vampire is a way to effectively feed on energy and if kept increasing then it only gives bigger and bigger energetic stomach to fill. Raiding this energetic rollercoaster of high energy and withdrawals feels problematic to me. To certain extend it is fine, but if you can go big, then the swings will be big too.
Sounds like you feel there may be better ways in vampyric magick to harness energy?

Could you maybe share what works one could look at to get into it properly?
What works do you like best at the moment?
 

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If you mean physically staying alive forever in the body you are in now, it might be possible. I tend to think a lot of thing are possible with magick. Though not everything possible is also practical. The amount of effort required to even approach such a goal would be extreme, to say the least.

A shorter term goal would be ascending through psychic/energy vampirism, which is totally doable. Though it's one of the more dangerous approaches.

As to vampiric evolution, from what I've seen, a human would never resemble Atazoth, who is a different species from a different universe, unless the human was possessed by him. Which would be a very real and disastrous possibility.

I would say successful vampiric evolution would look like an ascended master who is really good at psychic vampirism. And failed vampiric evolution would resemble a meth addict


i would have to disagree with you on the evolution part, you can drink blood and not gain any physical or genetic gain from it. (Not including disease). I believe that drinking blood on the scale of a vampire would be impossible seeing what happens when the human body consumes too much foreign blood. Not saying nothing wrong with immortality (I personally wouldn't mind it), but it really only seems achievable by magic and pacts.
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Oh I guess I didn't read too much lol ignore that but my point stands
 

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Sounds like you feel there may be better ways in vampyric magick to harness energy?

Could you maybe share what works one could look at to get into it properly?
What works do you like best at the moment?
Ah, I'm understood wrong. My bad.
I think that they can be very effective, but can lead to addiction on harnessing energy. Getting out of control, if you wish. So no matter the way, I suggest moderation.

Though, concerning the original topic, I say that gaining ability to harness more energy in pursuing conquest of immortality is a dead end. I think hat it doesn't make one immortal, just more hungry mortal. (not altering how your system works, just turning it on higher voltage)
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On second thought, depends on the needed source. People have various food habits. Some eat meat, some would never eat it. I assume that it might be similar for vampires. I guess that you need to find what you digest the best and then find how to harness that specific kind the best. I agree on that servitors are very useful on helping yourself with feeding. Never did that myself, at least never created servitor for that purpose, though my guides brought me small dose of energy on their own choice.

I was annoyed by Hirudo book because the servitors related tot his were counted on fingers and then there were maybe dozens of various servitors that were mainly for fight: ghouls, werewolves, poltergeist, wraith, etc. Also a lot of group rituals that are not available to solitary practitioner.
 
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Ah, I'm understood wrong. My bad.
I think that they can be very effective, but can lead to addiction on harnessing energy. Getting out of control, if you wish. So no matter the way, I suggest moderation.

Though, concerning the original topic, I say that gaining ability to harness more energy in pursuing conquest of immortality is a dead end. I think hat it doesn't make one immortal, just more hungry mortal. (not altering how your system works, just turning it on higher voltage)
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On second thought, depends on the needed source. People have various food habits. Some eat meat, some would never eat it. I assume that it might be similar for vampires. I guess that you need to find what you digest the best and then find how to harness that specific kind the best. I agree on that servitors are very useful on helping yourself with feeding. Never did that myself, at least never created servitor for that purpose, though my guides brought me small dose of energy on their own choice.

I was annoyed by Hirudo book because the servitors related tot his were counted on fingers and then there were maybe dozens of various servitors that were mainly for fight: ghouls, werewolves, poltergeist, wraith, etc. Also a lot of group rituals that are not available to solitary practitioner.
Maybe we mortals just think about it all wrong and the proper route would be the vajrayana buddhist way to control ones reincarnation/choice of the next body and at the even higher end materialization by will as a soul that keeps full consciousness and awareness after death?

I had to think of these Lama stories when i envisioned these servitors giving one energy- as i had to think of egregores or tulpas that are reacting to the energy they are given by their originators/a group or coven of participants in the case of an egregore. Just imagined that having servitors that give one energy could be very useful in a bodyless form.

I think apotheosis and some concepts in the higher echelons of lhp practise also aim for decoupling from the wheel of samsara so to speak, or from the laws of the origin of souls/laws of death and rebirth and keep ones awareness after death, to become an autonomous immortal being that moves in direction of demigod like qualities.

would you mind sharing a few favorites of vampyric magick, as you don't like Hirudo's book that much?
 

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Maybe we mortals just think about it all wrong and the proper route would be the vajrayana buddhist way to control ones reincarnation/choice of the next body and at the even higher end materialization by will as a soul that keeps full consciousness and awareness after death?

I had to think of these Lama stories when i envisioned these servitors giving one energy- as i had to think of egregores or tulpas that are reacting to the energy they are given by their originators/a group or coven of participants in the case of an egregore. Just imagined that having servitors that give one energy could be very useful in a bodyless form.

I think apotheosis and some concepts in the higher echelons of lhp practise also aim for decoupling from the wheel of samsara so to speak, or from the laws of the origin of souls/laws of death and rebirth and keep ones awareness after death, to become an autonomous immortal being that moves in direction of demigod like qualities.

would you mind sharing a few favorites of vampyric magick, as you don't like Hirudo's book that much?
Cool. I can, I was thinking about sharing the vampire ritual in full, it has been some time since I did it, so it is different for me now. From other what I do is drawing energy from the surrounding environment (ambient draining) and taking "taste" from spirits who allow me. That is very interesting enjoyment, with spirits I know and trust. And since they trust me, I'm careful. Also I use energy draining when I'm spiritually attacked. either by spirit or vampire. Vampire when I start draining, runs away by speed of light. Spirits I destroy this way.

Vampire initiation ritual I'll post into separated threat.
 

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Are you building your rituals the chaos magick way after learning in different works of vampirism?

I have to research these practises. Where can I begin? Is there some standard works you like?
 

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Are you building your rituals the chaos magick way after learning in different works of vampirism?

I have to research these practises. Where can I begin? Is there some standard works you like?
I'm building my own way inspired by whatever I find and want to try. I try it and if it works I keep it. So Chaos magic way.

I like Vampire's Wway to Psychic Self-defense, that is worth reading and using. For my own use I mainly use imagining Hollywood style drinking. I find it enjoyable. Exchanging blood this way with vampiric spirit altered my astral self so that it became second nature to me. (still enjoying this exchange from time to time)
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I forgot, there is Vampire collection in the library. There are more angles on vampirism, might be worth your attention.
 
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I'm building my own way inspired by whatever I find and want to try. I try it and if it works I keep it. So Chaos magic way.

I like Vampire's Wway to Psychic Self-defense, that is worth reading and using. For my own use I mainly use imagining Hollywood style drinking. I find it enjoyable. Exchanging blood this way with vampiric spirit altered my astral self so that it became second nature to me. (still enjoying this exchange from time to time)
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I forgot, there is Vampire collection in the library. There are more angles on vampirism, might be worth your attention.
Thanks, i even guess i have that book already somewhere.

Interesting path Morell, I was pretty obsessed with vampires growing up.
 
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