Book – PDF Varg Vikernes - Sorcery and Religion in Ancient Scandinavia

[Taudefindi]

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[frsfmcs]

I can't escape Nazi authors, even here. Back in the day, when I found him on YouTube, it took me a while to figure out he is actually a Nazi. He is very similar to Robert Sepehr in that regard. Quite sneaky compared to others. However, he still has ways to go to reach someone like

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. He is a true masters of obfuscation.

 

[Taudefindi]

Oh he's a Nazi?
Didn't know about that(didn't even knew of him to be honest, found his book in one of my many dives into rabbit holes).

Question to the community:

"Should I taken down the link of this work or should I let it up?"

Are you people fine with using the work of someone, despite the person's personal beliefs that might be against your own?Do we focus on what can be learned/used from their works only or do we also take into consideration their views in other matters as well?

 

[frsfmcs]

I wouldn't take it down. People need to distinguish for themselves.

 

[Friggasdottir]

Thank you for leaving it up. I hate it when people decide for me what I should read and how I should think.

 

[Taudefindi]

Thank you for leaving it up. I hate it when people decide for me what I should read and how I should think.

I want people here to be able to have choice.

Reason why I made that question, because I personally don't want to feel like I am being tied in any way to a Nazi(or Nazism), but I also shouldn't force my own principles and beliefs unto others since I would hate if someone did it to me.

 

[Friggasdottir]

Well I'm sure he's got issues, since he was convicted of murder, but who knows, maybe he's done some incredible research and has some done valuable contribution to this field. Old Norse magic is a particular interest of mine and it's hard to find anything that isn't new agey crap so I'll give it a look.

 

[Bo Hanson]

Actually, I don't care about the author's background and will focus on what he is writing about, but for more and clear information here from Scandinavian sources I will add this:

Vikernes who is born in Bergen, Norway, is known in Scandinavia by different pseudo names like: Count Grishnackh, Greven, Louis Cachet. He is mainly known for his black metal band Burzum and for the murder of Øystein Aarseth (Euronymous) in August 1993, for which he was sentenced to 21 years in prison. He was released from prison in May 2009. He was released from prison in May 2009. Later he became a National Socialist. In 2013, Vikernes was arrested again, this time in France, on suspicion of preparing an attack, but he was released after a few days.

During a time in prison, Vikernes continued to release records under the name Burzum. He also became interested in politics - above all in National Socialism and national groupings. Later he founded both the Norwegian Pagan Front and the Pan-German Pagan Front. These had an ideology reminiscent of the American organization Wotansvolk and advocated a mixture of National Socialism and pagan beliefs. During his time in prison, Vikernes has written several books and writings based on inspiration from Odinistic interpretations of Asatro. His first book was released in 1996 and was called Vargsmål. Among his other more widespread works are Germansk Mytologi og Verdensanskuelse (2000) and Irminsûl (2002).

 

[Understanding]

Calling Varg a nazi would be ignorant. As his world view is very different from that of a national socialist. He has been very clear on his anti-government stance. He does focus on ancestral worship. And that scares many people. For him the blood is sacred, the genes is us. I myself agree with much of this. Since what are we but a projected construction of reality simulated by our brain that is again created «simulated» out of the universe from our own and that of our ancestors actions. Genes. It makes sense. One cannot be too quick to judge others, unless one wish to stay within darkness and never see the true light.

 

[Friggasdottir]

Calling Varg a nazi would be ignorant. As his world view is very different from that of a national socialist. He has been very clear on his anti-government stance. He does focus on ancestral worship. And that scares many people. For him the blood is sacred, the genes is us. I myself agree with much of this. Since what are we but a projected construction of reality simulated by our brain that is again created «simulated» out of the universe from our own and that of our ancestors actions. Genes. It makes sense. One cannot be too quick to judge others, unless one wish to stay within darkness and never see the true light.

I have to agree with this, actually. Most people just slap a blanket statement on that which they do not understand. I give veneration to my ancestors because theyhave passed something sacred on to me even if I may find some of them repulsive. In our modern day society, we are very removed from nature and from our own ancestors. Most people (including most modern pagans) could not actually stomach the real pagan ways of their ancestors as they are only able to see them through modern eyes.

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The Norse had a concept called Hamingja which loosely translated is ancestral karma.

 

[Taudefindi]

Vikernes who is born in Bergen, Norway, is known in Scandinavia by different pseudo names like: Count Grishnackh, Greven, Louis Cachet.

Why so many pseudonyms?Are all of those for writting books?

 

[Friggasdottir]

Maybe that and music? Who knows?

 

[Bo Hanson]

Why so many pseudonyms?Are all of those for writting books?

I believe he has many enemies out there and wanted to not be known with his real name for security reasons.

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Prison time and National Socialism
During a time in prison, Vikernes continued to release records under the name Burzum. He also became interested in politics - above all in National Socialism and national groupings. Later he founded both the Norwegian Pagan Front and the Pan-German Pagan Front. These had an ideology reminiscent of the American organization Wotansvolk and advocated a mixture of National Socialism and pagan beliefs. Norsk Paganisk Front also got a branch in Sweden, which for a time operated on the Internet (where it was located on the Ariska Kampförbundet's server). Record releases became more sporadic during this time; the last album recorded while in prison, Hliðskjálf, came in 1999. In 2003, Vikernes escaped from a parole and went into hiding for a while before being arrested again. Vikernes had threatened a family and taken their car while fleeing, and he was carrying a gun when he was found. In prison, he wrote pamphlets about Old Norse beliefs from his own perspective. Since May 24, 2009, Vikernes is at large. According to Varg himself, national socialism is not the right term, but he is against Abrahamic religions and ways of thinking. He does not want to call his ideology National Socialism, but Odalism.[7] He has claimed that he himself is a true democrat, but that today's governance is not democratic in the true sense of the word, as he believes that it has nothing to do with the will of the people.

 

[Jim Dandy]

Calling Varg a nazi would be ignorant. As his world view is very different from that of a national socialist. He has been very clear on his anti-government stance. He does focus on ancestral worship. And that scares many people. For him the blood is sacred, the genes is us. I myself agree with much of this. Since what are we but a projected construction of reality simulated by our brain that is again created «simulated» out of the universe from our own and that of our ancestors actions. Genes. It makes sense. One cannot be too quick to judge others, unless one wish to stay within darkness and never see the true light.

Well, he was called that by someone that also claims that Stephen "Edred Thorsson" Flowers is a Nazi too. albeit such a diabolically clever one that only extremely perceptive Holmesian Nazi hunters such as himself can decipher the clues... even though he's unlikely to even be able to clearly define National Socialism without googling it as is typical of people who think they see Nazis everywhere. But, whatever.

I couldn't care less about Vikernes' political stance if he provides good information and/or interpretations. Unfortunately, he doesn't. His attitude here is my biggest problem: “When you encounter such apparent 'mistakes' made by me you need to accept them as correct, and keep reading until you realise that my interpretation is in fact correct.” I don't find his analysis of the old religion and myths to be particularly insightful and I'm going to need an argument a little more compelling than "Dude, trust me." to give them much more than passing consideration. I personally feel I'd be wasting my time reading anything more of his after this one and his wife's book.

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Why so many pseudonyms?Are all of those for writting books?

Louis Cachet is his legal name now. Kristian (!) Vikernes is the name he was born with. Count Grishnackh is the name he used with Mayhem.

 

[frsfmcs]

Well, he was called that by someone that also claims that Stephen "Edred Thorsson" Flowers is a Nazi too. albeit such a diabolically clever one that only extremely perceptive Holmesian Nazi hunters such as himself can decipher the clues... even though he's unlikely to even be able to clearly define National Socialism without googling it as is typical of people who think they see Nazis everywhere. But, whatever.

I couldn't care less about Vikernes' political stance if he provides good information and/or interpretations. Unfortunately, he doesn't. His attitude here is my biggest problem: “When you encounter such apparent 'mistakes' made by me you need to accept them as correct, and keep reading until you realise that my interpretation is in fact correct.” I don't find his analysis of the old religion and myths to be particularly insightful and I'm going to need an argument a little more compelling than "Dude, trust me." to give them much more than passing consideration. I personally feel I'd be wasting my time reading anything more of his after this one and his wife's book.

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Louis Cachet is his legal name now. Kristian (!) Vikernes is the name he was born with. Count Grishnackh is the name he used with Mayhem.

There is a difference between National Socialism and Nazism, and that stands from their view on religion and history. While national socialism puts one's country interests above external interests, it does not propagate specific religious ideas, you can be an atheist after all, it promotes however a connection to the past of that group of people you live in. That's why you would have Hungarian, Romanian, Italian and Croat fascists, all with different religious identities. Let's be serious, fascism is national socialism. Stop mincing words. Today it is used as a slur by different people who are interested to keep nationalism at bay due to financial interests, but that is besides the point.

When I used the term "Nazi" I didn't use it in the modern way, but to distinguish those who think that a secret cabal of Jewish people influence the world from behind the scenes. Not only that, but they are the unique obstacle in our way, and once they are gone it will all be good.

I hope you like my definition of National Socialism, because it was taught to me by an old fascist guy that spent his entire adult and middle-aged life in a communist prison.

Also, I am a Nazi sniffer, not a hunter . In reality, I mostly sniff them over a beer in bikers bars. You know how it is, after a couple of beers and some hints, normal people bring up The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or how the Jews invented the vaccines to make us sterile. Then I debate them over their view that the Jews are the root of all evil. Which they aren't.

I guess being a Nationalist, I see “nazis everywhere” because our views are like a Venn diagram after all. Well, actually they are quite rare, most people are just larping. None of the ones I've met knew about Theosophy or ancient history, let alone where the swastika was taken from. But guess what? Flowers knows all those things, so I've put him in that category, even tho in reality he is just a sympathizer as the communists put it.

 

[Understanding]

Well, he was called that by someone that also claims that Stephen "Edred Thorsson" Flowers is a Nazi too. albeit such a diabolically clever one that only extremely perceptive Holmesian Nazi hunters such as himself can decipher the clues... even though he's unlikely to even be able to clearly define National Socialism without googling it as is typical of people who think they see Nazis everywhere. But, whatever.

I couldn't care less about Vikernes' political stance if he provides good information and/or interpretations. Unfortunately, he doesn't. His attitude here is my biggest problem: “When you encounter such apparent 'mistakes' made by me you need to accept them as correct, and keep reading until you realise that my interpretation is in fact correct.” I don't find his analysis of the old religion and myths to be particularly insightful and I'm going to need an argument a little more compelling than "Dude, trust me." to give them much more than passing consideration. I personally feel I'd be wasting my time reading anything more of his after this one and his wife's book.

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Louis Cachet is his legal name now. Kristian (!) Vikernes is the name he was born with. Count Grishnackh is the name he used with Mayhem.

There is a difference between National Socialism and Nazism, and that stands from their view on religion and history. While national socialism puts one's country interests above external interests, it does not propagate specific religious ideas, you can be an atheist after all, it promotes however a connection to the past of that group of people you live in. That's why you would have Hungarian, Romanian, Italian and Croat fascists, all with different religious identities. Let's be serious, fascism is national socialism. Stop mincing words. Today it is used as a slur by different people who are interested to keep nationalism at bay due to financial interests, but that is besides the point.

When I used the term "Nazi" I didn't use it in the modern way, but to distinguish those who think that a secret cabal of Jewish people influence the world from behind the scenes. Not only that, but they are the unique obstacle in our way, and once they are gone it will all be good.

I hope you like my definition of National Socialism, because it was taught to me by an old fascist guy that spent his entire adult and middle-aged life in a communist prison.

Also, I am a Nazi sniffer, not a hunter . In reality, I mostly sniff them over a beer in bikers bars. You know how it is, after a couple of beers and some hints, normal people bring up The Protocols of the Elders of Zion or how the Jews invented the vaccines to make us sterile. Then I debate them over their view that the Jews are the root of all evil. Which they aren't.

I guess being a Nationalist, I see “nazis everywhere” because our views are like a Venn diagram after all. Well, actually they are quite rare, most people are just larping. None of the ones I've met knew about Theosophy or ancient history, let alone where the swastika was taken from. But guess what? Flowers knows all those things, so I've put him in that category, even tho in reality he is just a sympathizer as the communists put it.

I have to disagree. And also, for me. It seems some people have naziphobia. And by that I mean they morph their own reality around the idea of nazism. And how it is out to get them. Like some form of schizophrenia. If you actively try to see nazism everywhere, you WILL see nazism everywhere.

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It is like they do this affirmation everyday.
Today I will see a nazi. Nazis are everywhere. I cannot avoid going outside of the door without seeing adolf hitler.
I am a nazi hunter.
I live in 1940.
One day the nazis will get me

It is like magic, and they create this altwrnative universe.

 

[frsfmcs]

I have to disagree. And also, for me. It seems some people have naziphobia. And by that I mean they morph their own reality around the idea of nazism. And how it is out to get them. Like some form of schizophrenia. If you actively try to see nazism everywhere, you WILL see nazism everywhere.

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It is like they do this affirmation everyday.
Today I will see a nazi. Nazis are everywhere. I cannot avoid going outside of the door without seeing adolf hitler.
I am a nazi hunter.
I live in 1940.
One day the nazis will get me

It is like magic, and they create this altwrnative universe.

In the West, people throw that word around all the time at people that are at most Nationalists, not even fascists. I live in Transylvania. Here it is basically like in the masonry. If someone invites you, you are in, if not you will never figure it out. Here, the Iron Guard (which has a Nazi ideology nowadays) has less than 1000 members nationwide. But you can meet larpers and wannabes in specific places, as I mentioned. Sometimes serious people as well.

 

[annandrola]

I didn’t even know about his further criminal exploits while escaping parole.

 

[Jim Dandy]

Nazis are everywhere.

Apparently they are. Since disliking jews is what makes a Nazi according to our stalwart "nazi sniffer" that means that Nazis go back 2500 years or so since virtually every culture that's come in contact with them has gotten annoyed by the attitude they have from considering themselves "chosen".

I'm probably on his "Nazi" list now just for pointing that out.

 

[Taudefindi]

I didn't know I would be opening a Pandora's box simply by posting about a book.

I have to start being more careful with what I post...