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Apparently they are. Since disliking jews is what makes a Nazi according to our stalwart "nazi sniffer" that means that Nazis go back 2500 years or so since virtually every culture that's come in contact with them has gotten annoyed by the attitude they have from considering themselves "chosen".

I'm probably on his "Nazi" list now just for pointing that out. :LOL:
I don't have a list, man. I just like to talk to people with different beliefs to figure out the roots of those beliefs.

You are using contemporary frameworks of thought to analyze historical events that used different ones. First, you have to find out what was the point of view of those people. Using your train of thought we could call Ancient Egypt communist because the Pharaoh owned and lent the land to the people, and they could only sell their grains to the state, at state sanctioned prices.

According to their calendar, it is over 3500 years since Abraham got kicked out of Sumeria. So you're a coupe of years wrong in your estimate. 2600 years ago is the Babylon episode. Then, a couple of decades later, Cyrus the Great offered them freedom. Funny enough, even in this exile they succeeded in running the “banking” system (basically long range money lending and exchange with a commission) of Babylon.

Now, Abraham was kicked out for making a cult not sanctioned by City State. He wasn't a nobody in Ur, so his crime should have been quite serious.

Babylonians on the other hand did stuff like that to many groups of people from their region. After all, that is why the Phoenicians migrated to North Africa and Iberia. The Jewish people weren't any special in their enslavement. You just know about them because of the Old Testament.

I think most of the disapproval that people have against the Jews stands from their(the Jews) double standard in dealing with people. They possess an in-group preference. And so they seem unfair to outsiders. Even tho, according to their philosophy, they are not. This type of in-group preference is always present in small religious communities. Just like Eastern European emigrants to the US or Canada can get a job by going to an Eastern Orthodox Church and asking the Priest for help, so can a Jewish guy go and ask the Rabbi. Then, those religious leaders will ask the people in their parish for help.

Back in medieval and ancient times, all people practiced stuff like this. However, with the birth of meritocratic ideas in the West, this practice stopped being as popular. But, different emigrant groups kept doing it to this day. That's my opinion, anyway. I don't believe in Jewish IQ superiority hypothesis, as you can see.

Of course, there are other factors, like language and religious habits. However, realistically, I would say that in-group preference is the main point of historical hate that remains today and was present throughout history to one degree or another. Almost nobody hates Jews today because they killed Jesus or because they denied his messianic claims. But, I think that under their pretences, they just hate them because they are more successful than they are.
 

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I didn't know I would be opening a Pandora's box simply by posting about a book.
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I have to start being more careful with what I post...
I didn't know I would be opening a Pandora's box simply by posting about a book.
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I have to start being more careful with what I post...
...but this forum is for talking....right? You never know where you get from a simple post. Interesting discussions can attract people's attention.
 

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...but this forum is for talking....right? You never know where you get from a simple post. Interesting discussions can attract people's attention.
Yeah but I don't know if this is cool to do in the BOOK SHARES section.That's my issue with it.

Anywhere else?No problem.
I do have to think that seeing how no one came to lock this post then there might not be much issue in it though.
 

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You are using contemporary frameworks of thought to analyze historical events that used different ones.
I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here since it was YOU that said, "There is a difference between National Socialism and Nazism..." but then you accuse me of doing what you did by saying that jewish isolationism and condescending attitudes were why people hated them?! Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, Pot. There are links to sources you can follow here that prove my point, but I have a feeling that truth isn't your real motivation anyway.

My original point is that "nazi sniffers" don't hate people for being Nazis, they use "nazi" as a label to justify hating people for having opinions that differ from their own. That's why it's hard to take anyone seriously that sees nazis everywhere.

Using your train of thought we could call Ancient Egypt communist because the Pharaoh owned and lent the land to the people, and they could only sell their grains to the state, at state sanctioned prices.
I'm not sure you could follow a train of thought even if it had tracks laid down. "Nazi Sniffers" usually twist peoples words around in order to make their "points" (if you can even call them points). There's a difference between communists and commies and the Egyptians were commies. ;)

According to their calendar, it is over 3500 years since Abraham got kicked out of Sumeria. So you're a coupe of years wrong in your estimate. 2600 years ago is the Babylon episode. Then, a couple of decades later, Cyrus the Great offered them freedom. ... Now, Abraham was kicked out for making a cult not sanctioned by City State. He wasn't a nobody in Ur, so his crime should have been quite serious.
Since were not discussing mythology at the moment, please keep your "arguments" confined to what we can currently determine to be historical facts. There is zero historical/archeological for the existence of Abraham and the Sumerians don't mention kicking him out of Sumer, so your argument is mythological not historical. There is also no evidence for anything we would recognize as "Judaism" before their return from Babylon (the first thing in the bible with some actual historical evidence!) so you're a couple of years wrong in your estimate of 3500 years. You might want to read The Bible Unearthed by Finkelstein and Silberman to get up to speed on what we currently know about biblical historicity (or the lack thereof).

However, realistically, I would say that in-group preference is the main point of historical hate that remains today and was present throughout history to one degree or another.
Funny how after claiming my train of thought was off the rails and posting that big wall of meaningless text (how is it even possible to use so many words to say absolutely nothing?!), you basically end up agreeing with what I said. Weird. I couldn't make this shit up. You can't even argue a point in good faith so I'm not wasting anymore time with liars and word twisters. Sniff all the "nazis" you want, I'm done. I'm sure you'll chalk this up as a win! :ROFLMAO:
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Yeah but I don't know if this is cool to do in the BOOK SHARES section. That's my issue with it.

Anywhere else?No problem.
I do have to think that seeing how no one came to lock this post then there might not be much issue in it though.
My first post was a comment on the book at least. My bad for letting it trigger me that someone's only "comment on the book" was nothing but "Oh noes! NAZIS!!! NAZIS EVERYWHERE!!!!!!!!!" I should've just ignored it. Sorry.
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There are links to sources you can follow here that prove my point, but I have a feeling that truth isn't your real motivation anyway.
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I'm not going to lock the thread because the thread itself is valuable. However, anyone who continues the off-topic discussion will get a warning.

@Taudefindi is right. This is the book shares section, and these threads are only left open for the purposes of posting mirrors and notifying when links are down. As mentioned in the rules, all discussions (book/author) must go in the book discussions section.

Also, for further clarification:
  • You can post books from anyone as long as they are occult material. I.E:
    • Do not posts books about/promoting nazism
    • All shared books must be related to occultism
    • Other than that, the author's background does not matter
    • Especially as we can see in this thread anyone can claim anything without it actually being true
  • Do not discuss author/books in this section
    • Use the book discussion section and use the appropriate prefix
    • Feel free to use that section to debate whether or not an author is a nazi
 

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I'm not going to lock the thread because the thread itself is valuable. However, anyone who continues the off-topic discussion will get a warning.

@Taudefindi is right. This is the book shares section, and these threads are only left open for the purposes of posting mirrors and notifying when links are down. As mentioned in the rules, all discussions (book/author) must go in the book discussions section.

Also, for further clarification:
  • You can post books from anyone as long as they are occult material. I.E:
    • Do not posts books about/promoting nazism
    • All shared books must be related to occultism
    • Other than that, the author's background does not matter
    • Especially as we can see in this thread anyone can claim anything without it actually being true
  • Do not discuss author/books in this section
    • Use the book discussion section and use the appropriate prefix
    • Feel free to use that section to debate whether or not an author is a nazi
We will continue this discussion privately then. My apologize for the inconvenience I've caused here.
 

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I didn't know I would be opening a Pandora's box simply by posting about a book.
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I have to start being more careful with what I post...
Yes, yes you do, how about Jesuits and the Knights of Malta anyone? ;)
 
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