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Coming from an astrology background, many I have asked this question of before have this in mind when they answer the question so I’d be interested to know what others from various occult traditions believe.

What, in your opinion, are the planets? Do they have a power of their own? Are they deities? Are they the messengers of deities? Are they part of our ecosystem, as the roots of adjacent trees speak to each other? Are they simply planets with no connection to our world beyond the physical?

I’d love to know your thoughts.
 

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With variations ... all of the above . I will leave aside the idea of 'physical connections' or not (as they may be undiscovered as yet or the definitions of 'physical' may expand . For now I will use the general term 'energy' / 'energy field' ). We know planets have an 'energy / field ' around them . Even if it is 'just' gravity .

Modern astrology is full of weird ideas it picked up along the way , but one long lasting dynamic that might be central to the whole thing and entirely relevant is the angular relationship between planets . So, just on an energetic level, with the planets themselves , a 'natal dynamic' is set for each specific moment .

They are postulated to have a 'power' that sets and aligns nodes of 'personality makeup' . Traditionally (in hermetics ) they were seen as zones or spheres or shells which the incarnating spirit passes through (in a geocentric model) , if we imagined the 'incarnating self ' coming into the solar system like a meteor ; first passing through the 'sphere' (influence ) of Saturn , then Jupiter and so on ( there are many more complex dynamics here , but I am sticking to your specific question ). Much like the TRee of Life is laid out in a 2 D diagram and we imagine the path of the lightning flash . It's probably more like a sphere with everything happening at the same time inside it , but again, it's the angular relationship between these (origin points of field energy) that create a particular 'gem' ( personality ) .

Now, if you can do the mental image juggling and convert this to a heliocentric model ; the energy field is primarily solar , with the planets 'swirling around' in that and making 'interactions' ( like rocks in a creek making eddies and whirlpools in the flowing water )

No, I cant even postulate what that specific energy is exactly , and how and what it affects whatever is 'coming in ' However , one can (as in many things in science , especially modern science ! ) make a map, use it and use the information and energies to our advantage without really understanding the basics .

Regarding the other part of your question ; are they this, that or the other thing ; yes . I like the approach of the Egyptians regarding 'neteru' ; eg . any thing, say a planet , eg Mars is not just Mars but a part of the manifested 'Mars field ' ; it manifests in the planet , a person, a specific God, a metal, stone , an area of Egypt (or other places ) , a color ... this is the source of magical sympathies and correspondences - everything exists in a specific 'field ' of energy .

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Coming from an astrology background, many I have asked this question of before have this in mind when they answer the question so I’d be interested to know what others from various occult traditions believe.

What, in your opinion, are the planets? Do they have a power of their own? Are they deities? Are they the messengers of deities? Are they part of our ecosystem, as the roots of adjacent trees speak to each other? Are they simply planets with no connection to our world beyond the physical?

I’d love to know your thoughts.
From my perspective, the planets are several things at once, depending on the level from which we approach them.

On the physical level, they are celestial bodies with measurable properties, movements and influences. However, in many occult traditions, the visible planet is not considered identical to the spiritual power associated with it. Rather, the physical planet is the material expression, vessel or visible sign of a much broader intelligence.

I do not personally understand the planets as “gods” in the simplest sense, nor as lifeless rocks that occultists arbitrarily projected meanings onto. I see them as great cosmic principles that participate in the structure of reality. Mars, for example, is not merely the red object in the sky, but a pattern of separation, conflict, courage, heat, force and decisive action that can be observed in nature, in the human psyche and in social events. The celestial Mars is one manifestation of that principle, but the principle itself is greater than the physical planet.

In the tradition I work with, it is also important to distinguish between different levels of planetary power. The planet, the divine name associated with its sphere, the angelic ruler, the intelligence and the spirit are not necessarily interchangeable beings. They are different expressions or mediators of the same planetary current, operating at different levels of reality.

Therefore, I would say that planets possess power, but not necessarily in the sense of a human-like personality consciously deciding to reward or punish people. Their power is structural. They establish rhythms, qualities and conditions through which life unfolds. Their movements may correspond to changes in the way these patterns become active or visible in our world.

The analogy of an ecosystem is useful. Just as organisms participate in networks far larger than themselves, the Earth does not exist in isolation. We are part of a solar and cosmic environment. Even if someone rejects every metaphysical explanation, the Sun and Moon already demonstrate that celestial bodies profoundly influence life on Earth. Occult traditions extend this idea beyond physical causation and suggest that the cosmos is also connected through symbolic, spiritual and qualitative relationships.

So, for me, the planets are physical worlds, cosmic symbols and living spiritual principles simultaneously. They are not merely distant objects, but neither should their spiritual meaning be reduced to the personalities assigned to them in mythology. The myths, gods, angels and planetary spirits are different cultural and metaphysical ways of approaching forces that are ultimately larger than any single image or name.
 

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Coming from an astrology background, many I have asked this question of before have this in mind when they answer the question so I’d be interested to know what others from various occult traditions believe.

What, in your opinion, are the planets? Do they have a power of their own? Are they deities? Are they the messengers of deities? Are they part of our ecosystem, as the roots of adjacent trees speak to each other? Are they simply planets with no connection to our world beyond the physical?

I’d love to know your thoughts.
I understand the planets as the chakras of the macrocosm. Each planet is a physical manifestation of a certain Sephira force (Kabbalah).
 

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Modern astrology is full of weird ideas it picked up along the way , but one long lasting dynamic that might be central to the whole thing and entirely relevant is the angular relationship between planets . So, just on an energetic level, with the planets themselves , a 'natal dynamic' is set for each specific moment .

They are postulated to have a 'power' that sets and aligns nodes of 'personality makeup' . Traditionally (in hermetics ) they were seen as zones or spheres or shells which the incarnating spirit passes through (in a geocentric model) , if we imagined the 'incarnating self ' coming into the solar system like a meteor ; first passing through the 'sphere' (influence ) of Saturn , then Jupiter and so on ( there are many more complex dynamics here , but I am sticking to your specific question ). Much like the TRee of Life is laid out in a 2 D diagram and we imagine the path of the lightning flash . It's probably more like a sphere with everything happening at the same time inside it , but again, it's the angular relationship between these (origin points of field energy) that create a particular 'gem' ( personality ) .

Now, if you can do the mental image juggling and convert this to a heliocentric model ; the energy field is primarily solar , with the planets 'swirling around' in that and making 'interactions' ( like rocks in a creek making eddies and whirlpools in the flowing water )

No, I cant even postulate what that specific energy is exactly , and how and what it affects whatever is 'coming in ' However , one can (as in many things in science , especially modern science ! ) make a map, use it and use the information and energies to our advantage without really understanding the basics .

Regarding the other part of your question ; are they this, that or the other thing ; yes . I like the approach of the Egyptians regarding 'neteru' ; eg . any thing, say a planet , eg Mars is not just Mars but a part of the manifested 'Mars field ' ; it manifests in the planet , a person, a specific God, a metal, stone , an area of Egypt (or other places ) , a color ... this is the source of magical sympathies and correspondences - everything exists in a specific 'field ' of energy .
I strongly agree and have come to many of the same conclusions as you have here.

A few points that stand out: firstly, the angular planets and the aspects they make to each other. I sometimes wonder (even as an astrologer!) if the signs are of any use at all. Are we simply "reading" the potent base energies of the planets that are so obviously strong for whatever reason and how they interact with each other and the world?

One of the only fairly detailed studies into astrology and its powers from a "scientific" perspective seemed to conclude that there was a clear connection between athletes and being born with a rising or culminating Mars, to give one example, but there seemed to be no sign correlation as far as I recall. More recently, I have been looking at footballers and the greatest seem to have Mars in traditionally weak places but the key is that Mars is prominent in the chart.

Another piece that is essential to my understanding is the correspondences as you mention at the end there. The Moon is glass and white and Diana, etc. Every piece of our universe and therefore its magical properties seem to go back to these planetary energies and the strongest magic I have come across is planetary magic. On that note however, decanic magic (splitting the zodiac into 3 sections each) DOES seem to work very strongly, so perhaps everything I've said about the signs is a loud of rubbish!
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From my perspective, the planets are several things at once, depending on the level from which we approach them.

On the physical level, they are celestial bodies with measurable properties, movements and influences. However, in many occult traditions, the visible planet is not considered identical to the spiritual power associated with it. Rather, the physical planet is the material expression, vessel or visible sign of a much broader intelligence.

I do not personally understand the planets as “gods” in the simplest sense, nor as lifeless rocks that occultists arbitrarily projected meanings onto. I see them as great cosmic principles that participate in the structure of reality. Mars, for example, is not merely the red object in the sky, but a pattern of separation, conflict, courage, heat, force and decisive action that can be observed in nature, in the human psyche and in social events. The celestial Mars is one manifestation of that principle, but the principle itself is greater than the physical planet.

In the tradition I work with, it is also important to distinguish between different levels of planetary power. The planet, the divine name associated with its sphere, the angelic ruler, the intelligence and the spirit are not necessarily interchangeable beings. They are different expressions or mediators of the same planetary current, operating at different levels of reality.

Therefore, I would say that planets possess power, but not necessarily in the sense of a human-like personality consciously deciding to reward or punish people. Their power is structural. They establish rhythms, qualities and conditions through which life unfolds. Their movements may correspond to changes in the way these patterns become active or visible in our world.

The analogy of an ecosystem is useful. Just as organisms participate in networks far larger than themselves, the Earth does not exist in isolation. We are part of a solar and cosmic environment. Even if someone rejects every metaphysical explanation, the Sun and Moon already demonstrate that celestial bodies profoundly influence life on Earth. Occult traditions extend this idea beyond physical causation and suggest that the cosmos is also connected through symbolic, spiritual and qualitative relationships.

So, for me, the planets are physical worlds, cosmic symbols and living spiritual principles simultaneously. They are not merely distant objects, but neither should their spiritual meaning be reduced to the personalities assigned to them in mythology. The myths, gods, angels and planetary spirits are different cultural and metaphysical ways of approaching forces that are ultimately larger than any single image or name.
Yes, I do resonate strongly with the understanding of the planets as part of the universal ecosystem or perhaps even as an enormous computer. I also remember thinking when I was pregnant with my youngest that all the parts of me were unconsciously making her within my womb without my intellect knowing how that was happening and I did think at the time that perhaps this is how the universe works to some extent too. It just happens. I think about this when I consider people who can't comprehend why any astrological technique would work, but it makes sense to me that a small cell in the finger of the body corresponds to the brain. It's all of the same thing whilst being separate.

I'd be interested to know more about your tradition in that it understands different levels of planetary power as this is something I've long been interested in but understand very little of.
 

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I strongly agree and have come to many of the same conclusions as you have here.

A few points that stand out: firstly, the angular planets and the aspects they make to each other. I sometimes wonder (even as an astrologer!) if the signs are of any use at all. Are we simply "reading" the potent base energies of the planets that are so obviously strong for whatever reason and how they interact with each other and the world?

One of the only fairly detailed studies into astrology and its powers from a "scientific" perspective seemed to conclude that there was a clear connection between athletes and being born with a rising or culminating Mars, to give one example, but there seemed to be no sign correlation as far as I recall. More recently, I have been looking at footballers and the greatest seem to have Mars in traditionally weak places but the key is that Mars is prominent in the chart.

Another piece that is essential to my understanding is the correspondences as you mention at the end there. The Moon is glass and white and Diana, etc. Every piece of our universe and therefore its magical properties seem to go back to these planetary energies and the strongest magic I have come across is planetary magic. On that note however, decanic magic (splitting the zodiac into 3 sections each) DOES seem to work very strongly, so perhaps everything I've said about the signs is a loud of rubbish!
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Yes, I do resonate strongly with the understanding of the planets as part of the universal ecosystem or perhaps even as an enormous computer. I also remember thinking when I was pregnant with my youngest that all the parts of me were unconsciously making her within my womb without my intellect knowing how that was happening and I did think at the time that perhaps this is how the universe works to some extent too. It just happens. I think about this when I consider people who can't comprehend why any astrological technique would work, but it makes sense to me that a small cell in the finger of the body corresponds to the brain. It's all of the same thing whilst being separate.

I'd be interested to know more about your tradition in that it understands different levels of planetary power as this is something I've long been interested in but understand very little of.
Your analogy with pregnancy is actually very close to how I understand this.

A body can perform an astonishingly complex operation without the conscious intellect directing every stage. The mother does not consciously arrange the child’s organs, instruct cells where to travel or calculate the proportions of the developing body. Nevertheless, an ordering process is clearly present. The work occurs through many levels simultaneously: genetic information, cellular communication, chemical processes, organs, the mother’s body and the wider environment.

In a similar way, the universe may possess forms of order and intelligence that do not necessarily resemble human thought. Something can be intelligent in its organization without sitting somewhere and consciously calculating each individual event.

The tradition I primarily work within is Western ceremonial magic, especially the form that developed through Renaissance astral magic, Christian Cabala and, later, Hermetic Qabalah. I should emphasize that this is a synthesis of several historical traditions, rather than a doctrine that all astrologers, Jewish Kabbalists or ceremonial magicians interpret in exactly the same way.

One of its central ideas is that a planetary force descends through different levels of manifestation. The planet visible in the sky is therefore neither entirely separate from the spiritual power nor simply identical to it. It is the most concrete manifestation of a larger chain.

Hermetic Qabalah often explains this through the Four Worlds:

Atziluth — the World of Emanation

At this level, the planetary power exists as an archetypal or divine principle. It is not yet a personality or a particular spirit. It is closer to the original divine quality from which the entire planetary current proceeds.

For that reason, ceremonial systems associate this level with a Divine Name. The name is not merely a password used to command spirits. Ideally, it represents the highest and most unified expression of the power being invoked.

Briah — the World of Creation

Here, the principle becomes a governing spiritual intelligence, traditionally represented by an Archangel. The Archangel is not simply another name for the physical planet. It is the conscious, ordered and creative administration of that force.

Yetzirah — the World of Formation

At this level, the current becomes differentiated into formative angelic powers. This is where the divine principle acquires patterns, functions, images and relationships. Hermetic tables commonly place the angelic choirs at this level.

Assiah — the World of Action

Finally, the principle becomes manifest as the actual celestial sphere, the physical planet and its expressions in material nature: metals, plants, animals, bodily functions, psychological tendencies and events.

The historical Kabbalistic doctrine of the Four Worlds describes a progressive movement from emanation toward creation, formation and action. The precise arrangement of Divine Names, Archangels, angelic choirs and planets, however, is especially characteristic of later Hermetic Qabalah rather than a simple reproduction of traditional Jewish Kabbalah.

Mars provides a useful example. In one common Hermetic arrangement, the Martian sphere of Geburah can be approached through:

  • Elohim Gibor, the Divine Name;
  • Kamael or Camael, the Archangel;
  • the Seraphim, the angelic order;
  • Madim, the Hebrew name of the planetary sphere of Mars.
These are not necessarily four unrelated beings competing for authority. They can be understood as different degrees through which one current becomes increasingly particular and manifest.

Renaissance magic adds another distinction: the planetary Intelligence and planetary Spirit. In Agrippa’s system, Mars is associated with the Intelligence Graphiel and the Spirit Bartzabel. Agrippa presents the planetary magic squares together with their Divine Names, Intelligences and Spirits in Book II, Chapter 22 of Three Books of Occult Philosophy.

My practical interpretation is that the Intelligence represents the organizing, intelligible and directing aspect of the planetary current, while the Spirit represents its more immediate, dynamic and operative expression. The Intelligence gives proportion and direction; the Spirit carries the force into action.

However, I would avoid reducing this to “the Intelligence is good and the Spirit is evil.” That is a popular simplification, but the older texts do not always explain the distinction so neatly. A planetary spirit may be intense, volatile or dangerous when approached carelessly, but that does not automatically make it morally evil. Mars itself can manifest as violence and conflict, but also as courage, discipline, protection, surgery, endurance and the power to establish boundaries.

There is also a parallel system in the Arbatel of Magic, which assigns an Olympic Spirit to each classical planet. In that system, Phaleg is associated with Mars. I do not regard Phaleg and Bartzabel as interchangeable names. They belong to related but distinct magical classifications. One of the mistakes that modern tables sometimes encourage is the assumption that every entity placed beneath the same planet must be the same being under another name.

Your pregnancy analogy could therefore be extended in this way:

The divine or archetypal level is the original possibility and purpose of life. The creative intelligence establishes the general order. The formative forces organize the countless processes through which that order takes shape. The material body is where the process finally becomes visible.

No single cell contains the conscious human understanding of the whole child, yet every cell participates in the formation of that whole. Similarly, a planetary spirit may not be the totality of Mars, just as one cell is not the totality of a person. It is a particular agency or expression operating within a much greater living system.

This also explains why I do not see planetary correspondences merely as symbolic lists invented by human beings. Iron, fire, conflict, blood, courage and separation are not identical things, but ceremonial magic sees them as expressions of a shared Martian pattern. Their connection is qualitative rather than merely mechanical.

This is close to the old concept of the anima mundi, the Soul of the World: the idea that the cosmos is not an accidental collection of isolated objects, but an internally connected living order. Agrippa discusses the Soul of the World, the souls of celestial bodies and the seven planetary governors in Book II, Chapters 55–59.

Some useful references for exploring this further are:

  • Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa, Three Books of Occult Philosophy, especially Book II, Chapters 22 and 55–60.
  • Picatrix, especially the sections concerning planetary spirits, celestial images and the transmission of astral influence.
  • Arbatel of Magic, particularly the aphorisms concerning the seven Olympic Spirits.
  • Moses Cordovero, Pardes Rimmonim, Gate 16, for the Kabbalistic Worlds.
  • Hayyim Vital, Etz Chaim, especially the sections dealing with Atziluth, Briah, Yetzirah and Assiah.
  • Israel Regardie, The Complete Golden Dawn, for the later Hermetic arrangement of Divine Names, Archangels, angelic orders and planetary correspondences.
  • Aleister Crowley, Liber 777, as a useful comparative table of correspondences, although I would use it as a reference tool rather than as the sole historical authority.
So, in the simplest terms, I would say that the planets are simultaneously bodies, signs, environments and gateways. The physical planet is real, but it is only one level of a much greater reality. Astrology observes the relationships and timing within that cosmic body, while planetary magic attempts to enter into a conscious relationship with some of the powers operating through it.
 
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The idea of astrology isn't necessary about he planets influencing something but they can be used to interprete something.

Think of the planets and the stars as a giant clock. The clock doesn't decide which hour it is, but it indicate it.

People read the planets the same way.
 

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I strongly agree and have come to many of the same conclusions as you have here.

A few points that stand out: firstly, the angular planets and the aspects they make to each other. I sometimes wonder (even as an astrologer!) if the signs are of any use at all. Are we simply "reading" the potent base energies of the planets that are so obviously strong for whatever reason and how they interact with each other and the world?

I think two dynamics were at play that got conflated in a modern mish-mash . First asterisims and stars were used as year markers for hunters and gatherers and agriculture . There was also lore associated with them, often to do with mythical stories ( for education , social and survival lore ) and initiation . 'The Wanderers' cant be used for that .

But somehow the houses ( which are associated to the planets anyway ; that is the 'house energy is similar to the planetary energy and also supplies the 'local geocentric grid' that these angular relationships are calculated in ) being aligned with the stars ( at one stage , when tropical and sidereal matched ( around 300 ad I think ? ) it seemed natural to conflate the two . As we know, that close relationship moved ( is moving ) . Then the 'constellations ' ( those equal 12 divisions based on the houses ) were considered to have more significance , especially relating to the Sun , where now we end up in a rather silly situation where we are all relegated to 1 of 12 types ( with modifications ) . and the Sun supposedly has all this over riding significance .

The main indicator of a person used to be their rising sign (also based on planetary energies ) and if a planet itself was near 0 degrees (locally ) then that energy would override .



One of the only fairly detailed studies into astrology and its powers from a "scientific" perspective seemed to conclude that there was a clear connection between athletes and being born with a rising or culminating Mars, to give one example, but there seemed to be no sign correlation as far as I recall.

yes, and generally one's appearance is in line with the rising sign ( based on or replaced by a planet ) and not which sign the sun was in.


More recently, I have been looking at footballers and the greatest seem to have Mars in traditionally weak places but the key is that Mars is prominent in the chart.

Another piece that is essential to my understanding is the correspondences as you mention at the end there. The Moon is glass and white and Diana, etc. Every piece of our universe and therefore its magical properties seem to go back to these planetary energies and the strongest magic I have come across is planetary magic. On that note however, decanic magic (splitting the zodiac into 3 sections each) DOES seem to work very strongly, so perhaps everything I've said about the signs is a loud of rubbish!
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I think there is still some carry over and association ; we could say a decan is a planetary energy crossed with a 'modified planetary energy (sign ) .



Yes, I do resonate strongly with the understanding of the planets as part of the universal ecosystem or perhaps even as an enormous computer. I also remember thinking when I was pregnant with my youngest that all the parts of me were unconsciously making her within my womb without my intellect knowing how that was happening and I did think at the time that perhaps this is how the universe works to some extent too. It just happens. I think about this when I consider people who can't comprehend why any astrological technique would work, but it makes sense to me that a small cell in the finger of the body corresponds to the brain. It's all of the same thing whilst being separate.

I'd be interested to know more about your tradition in that it understands different levels of planetary power as this is something I've long been interested in but understand very little of.
 

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Coming from an astrology background, many I have asked this question of before have this in mind when they answer the question so I’d be interested to know what others from various occult traditions believe.

What, in your opinion, are the planets? Do they have a power of their own? Are they deities? Are they the messengers of deities? Are they part of our ecosystem, as the roots of adjacent trees speak to each other? Are they simply planets with no connection to our world beyond the physical?

I’d love to know your thoughts.
They are cultural models and access points to energetic patterns that are inherent in the nature of life and, to some extent, any manifest existence in the world.
 

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Your analogy with pregnancy is actually very close to how I understand this.

A body can perform an astonishingly complex operation without the conscious intellect directing every stage. The mother does not consciously arrange the child’s organs, instruct cells where to travel or calculate the proportions of the developing body. Nevertheless, an ordering process is clearly present. The work occurs through many levels simultaneously: genetic information, cellular communication, chemical processes, organs, the mother’s body and the wider environment.

In a similar way, the universe may possess forms of order and intelligence that do not necessarily resemble human thought. Something can be intelligent in its organization without sitting somewhere and consciously calculating each individual event.

The tradition I primarily work within is Western ceremonial magic, especially the form that developed through Renaissance astral magic, Christian Cabala and, later, Hermetic Qabalah. I should emphasize that this is a synthesis of several historical traditions, rather than a doctrine that all astrologers, Jewish Kabbalists or ceremonial magicians interpret in exactly the same way.

One of its central ideas is that a planetary force descends through different levels of manifestation. The planet visible in the sky is therefore neither entirely separate from the spiritual power nor simply identical to it. It is the most concrete manifestation of a larger chain.

Hermetic Qabalah often explains this through the Four Worlds:

Atziluth — the World of Emanation

At this level, the planetary power exists as an archetypal or divine principle. It is not yet a personality or a particular spirit. It is closer to the original divine quality from which the entire planetary current proceeds.

For that reason, ceremonial systems associate this level with a Divine Name. The name is not merely a password used to command spirits. Ideally, it represents the highest and most unified expression of the power being invoked.

Briah — the World of Creation

Here, the principle becomes a governing spiritual intelligence, traditionally represented by an Archangel. The Archangel is not simply another name for the physical planet. It is the conscious, ordered and creative administration of that force.

Yetzirah — the World of Formation

At this level, the current becomes differentiated into formative angelic powers. This is where the divine principle acquires patterns, functions, images and relationships. Hermetic tables commonly place the angelic choirs at this level.

Assiah — the World of Action

Finally, the principle becomes manifest as the actual celestial sphere, the physical planet and its expressions in material nature: metals, plants, animals, bodily functions, psychological tendencies and events.

The historical Kabbalistic doctrine of the Four Worlds describes a progressive movement from emanation toward creation, formation and action. The precise arrangement of Divine Names, Archangels, angelic choirs and planets, however, is especially characteristic of later Hermetic Qabalah rather than a simple reproduction of traditional Jewish Kabbalah.

Mars provides a useful example. In one common Hermetic arrangement, the Martian sphere of Geburah can be approached through:

  • Elohim Gibor, the Divine Name;
  • Kamael or Camael, the Archangel;
  • the Seraphim, the angelic order;
  • Madim, the Hebrew name of the planetary sphere of Mars.
These are not necessarily four unrelated beings competing for authority. They can be understood as different degrees through which one current becomes increasingly particular and manifest.

Renaissance magic adds another distinction: the planetary Intelligence and planetary Spirit. In Agrippa’s system, Mars is associated with the Intelligence Graphiel and the Spirit Bartzabel. Agrippa presents the planetary magic squares together with their Divine Names, Intelligences and Spirits in Book II, Chapter 22 of Three Books of Occult Philosophy.

My practical interpretation is that the Intelligence represents the organizing, intelligible and directing aspect of the planetary current, while the Spirit represents its more immediate, dynamic and operative expression. The Intelligence gives proportion and direction; the Spirit carries the force into action.

However, I would avoid reducing this to “the Intelligence is good and the Spirit is evil.” That is a popular simplification, but the older texts do not always explain the distinction so neatly. A planetary spirit may be intense, volatile or dangerous when approached carelessly, but that does not automatically make it morally evil. Mars itself can manifest as violence and conflict, but also as courage, discipline, protection, surgery, endurance and the power to establish boundaries.

There is also a parallel system in the Arbatel of Magic, which assigns an Olympic Spirit to each classical planet. In that system, Phaleg is associated with Mars. I do not regard Phaleg and Bartzabel as interchangeable names. They belong to related but distinct magical classifications. One of the mistakes that modern tables sometimes encourage is the assumption that every entity placed beneath the same planet must be the same being under another name.

Your pregnancy analogy could therefore be extended in this way:

The divine or archetypal level is the original possibility and purpose of life. The creative intelligence establishes the general order. The formative forces organize the countless processes through which that order takes shape. The material body is where the process finally becomes visible.

No single cell contains the conscious human understanding of the whole child, yet every cell participates in the formation of that whole. Similarly, a planetary spirit may not be the totality of Mars, just as one cell is not the totality of a person. It is a particular agency or expression operating within a much greater living system.

This also explains why I do not see planetary correspondences merely as symbolic lists invented by human beings. Iron, fire, conflict, blood, courage and separation are not identical things, but ceremonial magic sees them as expressions of a shared Martian pattern. Their connection is qualitative rather than merely mechanical.

This is close to the old concept of the anima mundi, the Soul of the World: the idea that the cosmos is not an accidental collection of isolated objects, but an internally connected living order. Agrippa discusses the Soul of the World, the souls of celestial bodies and the seven planetary governors in Book II, Chapters 55–59.

Some useful references for exploring this further are:

  • Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa, Three Books of Occult Philosophy, especially Book II, Chapters 22 and 55–60.
  • Picatrix, especially the sections concerning planetary spirits, celestial images and the transmission of astral influence.
  • Arbatel of Magic, particularly the aphorisms concerning the seven Olympic Spirits.
  • Moses Cordovero, Pardes Rimmonim, Gate 16, for the Kabbalistic Worlds.
  • Hayyim Vital, Etz Chaim, especially the sections dealing with Atziluth, Briah, Yetzirah and Assiah.
  • Israel Regardie, The Complete Golden Dawn, for the later Hermetic arrangement of Divine Names, Archangels, angelic orders and planetary correspondences.
  • Aleister Crowley, Liber 777, as a useful comparative table of correspondences, although I would use it as a reference tool rather than as the sole historical authority.
So, in the simplest terms, I would say that the planets are simultaneously bodies, signs, environments and gateways. The physical planet is real, but it is only one level of a much greater reality. Astrology observes the relationships and timing within that cosmic body, while planetary magic attempts to enter into a conscious relationship with some of the powers operating through it.
This is so thorough and so many areas to research, thank you very much! It all makes perfect sense from what you describe and some concepts I have read about before, some I haven’t so plenty to research, thank you!
 

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Where did you get that from ???


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