What are your views on hell?

[Eldros]

There exists no fire that is not an abstraction of certain set of stimuli. Whatever you think of as "fire" is in this regard indifferent to a mathematical description of how it works. Physical world doesn't have properties, only abstract objects have them. A map and a terrain are both samely abstractions of the same chunk of sensory data, only the second is perhaps more fine.

That just presumes your conclusion: that properties exist just in abstractions.
Even if we accept that fire is an abstraction, it doesn't mean that the abstraction itself is hot.
A map shows a landscape without actually being that landscape../

 

[Nembra]

That just presumes your conclusion: that properties exist just in abstractions.
Even if we accept that fire is an abstraction, it doesn't mean that the abstraction itself is hot.
A map shows a landscape without actually being that landscape../

Yes, but the landscape belongs to the set of its maps. "Hot" is and abstraction class. A property is an abstraction class.

 

[Eldros]

Yes, but the landscape belongs to the set of its maps. "Hot" is and abstraction class. A property is an abstraction class.

Calling "hot" an abstraction class doesn't make the class itself hot. You're still mistaking a property with its representation.
I think we've got to the point where we're working from different speculative assumptions, so I don't think continuing this will lead anywhere.
I'll leave it here. It was quite a challenging "duel"

 

[Nembra]

Calling "hot" an abstraction class doesn't make the class itself hot. You're still mistaking a property with its representation.
I think we've got to the point where we're working from different speculative assumptions, so I don't think continuing this will lead anywhere.
I'll leave it here. It was quite a challenging "duel"

I gladly accept the ceasefire

 

[stmichael]

Truthfully, just that I hope it isn’t real.

 

[Phillian]

I grew up with the sentence «You will end up in Hell», "You are sinful», «Your soul belongs in the circles of Hell», «People like you deserve to be burn in Hell» among others... So for a while I had a very Dantean vision of Hell, seven circles, seven sins, etc... But the more I grew and embrace my truth the more my vision shifted. At first it was humour that made it change, everytime people said those things I began to rebuke "Well, if people like me belong to Hell, it must be a Paradise over there." and slowly, my mind set began to shift, nowadays I believe Hell and Paradise are to side of the same coin and both can be experience on Earth, sort of like Gnosticism.

So, in conclusion, I do not believe in Hell, at least, not in the way media likes to portrait it.

 

[zMaji]

That which causes and sustains needless suffering....

 

[Hund]

To me, hell is earth, heaven is earth too. You don't need to limit yourself in this world and bring hell into your own life over something you heard from people who can't even get out of their own snot. I don't believe that everyone experiences the same thing after death either. I think that once the soul leaves the body, whatever it experiences becomes something entirely personal to that individual.
I believe that most of what a person experiences is unique to this world. Pain and love, of course, exist as energies and may exist beyond this world as well. But I believe that the way we experience them—the actual human experience of them—is something unique to this world and to being human.

 

[Ohana]

I've given this topic a Iot of thought and the more I think on it the more it makes Iess and Iess sense especially Christian ideas of heII to me.

First of the whole eternaI thing. Eternity is a concept we as peopIe just can't grasp fuIIy. The most I can think of is a reaIIy Iong time but after a reaIIy Iong time of something normally or eventuaIIy a person gets used to it. I think I might have already brought up this point bu unsure so wiII post it again since I'm going to bring up more points.

Next point is pain comes from having a physicaI body. PeopIe in theroticaI heII wouId already be dead so how wouId they expierence physicaI pain? WouId it just be similar to that of a simulation of pain? There's not even a threat of death with this simulation of pain so is it just the equivalent of looney tunes style antics where peopIe just run around accidentally runs off a cliff pauses looks down pulls out a sign that says "uh oh" then faIIs from that crazy height then walks right back. Even with the threat of pain without the threat of death there it kind of just sounds Iike a Iooney tunes gag as I just described.

Third point originaI Old Testament writings which is the base point for Christianity (technicaIIy IsIam too but haven't done enough research into that reIigion to promote an opinion on their afterIives) as a whoIe did not beIieve in those concepts of the afterIife adding them on later just kind of feeIs odd. Other reIigions which have similar afterIives feeI Iess odd and kind of make more sense (maybe stiII need to Iearn more about them) with those since they either have Iess rules and are more relaxed allowing for multiple interpretations or those afterIives were present closer to conception of the reIigion.

4th point this is more of a joke point what if you started to sing "Happy" by PharreII in heII wouId that canceI it out or wouId you just get weird Iooks or wouId you not even be abIe to sing since its heII. I just found that idea amusing and a IittIe funny. The idea of just bursting into song and just spending however Iong down there singing 2010s pop hits and onIy 2010s pop hits I' talkig Bruno Mars, Katy Perry, Lady Gaga (psychologically though I heard singing helps improve mood)

That's aII foIks.

 

[Hasuna]

Hell is just a fairy tale created by religions to make you fear it and therefore succumb to whatever your religion wishes you to. No one will give a shit about a religion if it wasn't for the existence of Fear aka the "existence" of "Hell" or "Satan". It's a myth that has worked for centuries to keep the masses in place while the real rulers fucked them deep in the ass and did every possible "sin" you can think of.