What got you here

[vito41]

Hi, what got you into the occult good or bad? What are you experiences that make you belive good or bad? An how do you cope if you are surrounded by people blind to magic and science

 

[nargile57]

Ignore blind people, all they will do is obstruct, sew discord, steal your energy and time.

 

[Durward]

I think, first of all, that it is extremely important to let other people be. Forcing opinions, ideas, facts, thoughts, etc., just makes you a petty tyrant. Wanting to force your ideas, or what you know, down the throats of others is some obvious cancel culture know-it-all unnecessary strife-causing BS.
First, I grew up having psi experiences of many kinds, and was beaten, starved, and even had an exorcism done on me for telling them future events that came true. So I KNOW what I know, and nothing they do or say will upset that or take it away from me. I have taken the time to make sure I'm not insane, and proven the things I do with third parties or other veridical evidence. So I don't care about skeptics or non-believers, they can say, do, believe whatever they want and it doesn't change my worldview or the facts. It just shows they have closed minds and are the average narrow human.
My experiences got me looking at the occult, and trying a few things, but I determined that most of that was specific to the people who developed the practices, and those who are like them, or cut out of the same cloth.
The majority of occult systems are then other people's beliefs to me, since I don't need or require it, and it adds nothing of value to me or my life, or what I can do. It will never work for me, just like religions don't work for me.
So, my inner security and confidence comes from being capable of many supernatural things, and like I said, I then don't care what the doubting skeptic crowd thinks about it, and I have no need for their approval. I am also past demonstrations or questions. Fuck the public.
Any insecurities and lack of confidence comes from weak practices and beliefs that have no veridical evidence and no solid proof that you could present to these third parties or skeptics. If the practices or beliefs were solid enough, even I might be supportive of them, but I only support people finding what they resonate with, because when they do that, all of it works and they have results that give them confidence. If you aren't there yet, you likely haven't found your flock.
If you find yourself falling into the doubter, skeptic, zealot pile and thinking you need to feed it or defend your practices and beliefs, you need a new bunch of people to hang with.

 

[Eliyel]

What do you mean by good or bad? Like were our first encounters with the occult pleasant, or do we have preferences on the white magic/black magic scale? I had a pretty painstakingly slow introduction to the occult, starting with about a decade of out of body experiences and a skeptical nature so strong that I refused to look at them as anything more than extremely intense hypnagogic hallucinations. Those outings eventually began to grow more elaborate as I got into meditation for stress management reasons, and out of curiosity decided to start trying to actually leave my bedroom instead of just waiting for them to end. When conversations during those experiences began revealing accurate information to me about real-world people and places I'd previously never heard of, then I finally hit the point of having to start taking it a little more seriously.

Coping with other people not being interested in magic has been pretty simple for me: I just have other hobbies to talk about. If someone's happy to not be "in the know", then I don't really care to change their mind. I'll just talk about board games or craftswork or whatever it is they do for fun instead.

 

[hollowglasd]

My mother gave me a tarot deck when I was a teen and down the rabbit hole I went
Then I took a long break from magick only to come back recently and down the rabbit hole I went

 

[vito41]

Ignore blind people, all they will do is obstruct, sew discord, steal your energy and time.

I definitely do ignore those that don't know. Ty for the reply

Post automatically merged: Yesterday at 4:28 PM

I think, first of all, that it is extremely important to let other people be. Forcing opinions, ideas, facts, thoughts, etc., just makes you a petty tyrant. Wanting to force your ideas, or what you know, down the throats of others is some obvious cancel culture know-it-all unnecessary strife-causing BS.
First, I grew up having psi experiences of many kinds, and was beaten, starved, and even had an exorcism done on me for telling them future events that came true. So I KNOW what I know, and nothing they do or say will upset that or take it away from me. I have taken the time to make sure I'm not insane, and proven the things I do with third parties or other veridical evidence. So I don't care about skeptics or non-believers, they can say, do, believe whatever they want and it doesn't change my worldview or the facts. It just shows they have closed minds and are the average narrow human.
My experiences got me looking at the occult, and trying a few things, but I determined that most of that was specific to the people who developed the practices, and those who are like them, or cut out of the same cloth.
The majority of occult systems are then other people's beliefs to me, since I don't need or require it, and it adds nothing of value to me or my life, or what I can do. It will never work for me, just like religions don't work for me.
So, my inner security and confidence comes from being capable of many supernatural things, and like I said, I then don't care what the doubting skeptic crowd thinks about it, and I have no need for their approval. I am also past demonstrations or questions. Fuck the public.
Any insecurities and lack of confidence comes from weak practices and beliefs that have no veridical evidence and no solid proof that you could present to these third parties or skeptics. If the practices or beliefs were solid enough, even I might be supportive of them, but I only support people finding what they resonate with, because when they do that, all of it works and they have results that give them confidence. If you aren't there yet, you likely haven't found your flock.
If you find yourself falling into the doubter, skeptic, zealot pile and thinking you need to feed it or defend your practices and beliefs, you need a new bunch of people to hang with.

I agree with your point of view alot. Ty for your reply

Post automatically merged: Yesterday at 4:31 PM

What do you mean by good or bad? Like were our first encounters with the occult pleasant, or do we have preferences on the white magic/black magic scale? I had a pretty painstakingly slow introduction to the occult, starting with about a decade of out of body experiences and a skeptical nature so strong that I refused to look at them as anything more than extremely intense hypnagogic hallucinations. Those outings eventually began to grow more elaborate as I got into meditation for stress management reasons, and out of curiosity decided to start trying to actually leave my bedroom instead of just waiting for them to end. When conversations during those experiences began revealing accurate information to me about real-world people and places I'd previously never heard of, then I finally hit the point of having to start taking it a little more seriously.

Coping with other people not being interested in magic has been pretty simple for me: I just have other hobbies to talk about. If someone's happy to not be "in the know", then I don't really care to change their mind. I'll just talk about board games or craftswork or whatever it is they do for fun instead.

I meant was your introduction to the occult world good or bad. Ty for your story and reply. I understand it my introduction was dreaming things before they happened.

Post automatically merged: Yesterday at 4:32 PM

My mother gave me a tarot deck when I was a teen and down the rabbit hole I went
Then I took a long break from magick only to come back recently and down the rabbit hole I went

Ty for your reply and welcome back to the rabbit hole.

 

[Robert Ramsay]

Hi, what got you into the occult, good or bad? What are you experiences that make you belive good or bad? And how do you cope if you are surrounded by people blind to magic and science?

1) I wanted to see if there was a scientific explanation of telepathy, clairvoyance etc., and realised after a time that these things were all subsets of magic.
2) I don't have to believe now. I know. However I also know what the limitations are so that I don't succumb to mageitis and declare myself Emperor of the Universe
3) I let them get on with it. If people are clearly talking bollocks I might gently call them out on it. "It's easy to dismiss things that one has no personal experience of."

 

[vito41]

I agree and your 2nd part is absolutely what I subscribe to lol ty for your reply

 

[William_Butler_Yeets]

i went to catholic school for a long time

 

[pascal]

Every now and then I am struck with a full near all consuming desire for knowledge of the occult and other secrets, a small voice screams in the back of my head "FIND IT FIND IT FIND IT" and thus I search, this place is a lovely pool of information. And makes me feel less insane compared to my older self

 

[vito41]

Every now and then I am struck with a full near all consuming desire for knowledge of the occult and other secrets, a small voice screams in the back of my head "FIND IT FIND IT FIND IT" and thus I search, this place is a lovely pool of information. And makes me feel less insane compared to my older self

I can totally dig it. I have my moments like that

 

[AbammonTheGreat]

I had a religious psychosis triggered by a spiritual event I had in a cathedral. The psychosis led me into learning gematria and goetia in order to try to bind the demons I thought were after me. Once I emerged out of the psychosis I was an occultist and began studying the hermetic kabbalah and Golden Dawn with an emphasis on planetary magic. I joined a few Satanic and Chaos orders, even though I was RHP, and learned a lot from hanging around those groups before I split off and started an Egyptian Mystery/Goddess focused order. And now I am a great wizard.

 

[vito41]

I had a religious psychosis triggered by a spiritual event I had in a cathedral. The psychosis led me into learning gematria and goetia in order to try to bind the demons I thought were after me. Once I emerged out of the psychosis I was an occultist and began studying the hermetic kabbalah and Golden Dawn with an emphasis on planetary magic. I joined a few Satanic and Chaos orders, even though I was RHP, and learned a lot from hanging around those groups before I split off and started an Egyptian Mystery/Goddess focused order. And now I am a great wizard.

Ty for your story and reply. Im currently studying alot of different paths and things myself to learn a figure it out