What is a "current" ?

[Voidking]

Hi all,

What is a current ? what happens if you are part of a current and use the sigils and rituals of a specific current? would you attune yourself - or soul, to the current?
What if you work two currents simultaneously? would they conflict?

I understand that a current is a magickal lodge, religous cult, a witchcraft covenant or any group thereof, however, energetically or astrally speaking, what happens when you work through a current or in a current?

Thanks.

 

[Rowena]

Current, as used by most occultists, is essentially the spirit or mood of a particular group or tradition as demonstrated by the ideas, beliefs and practices of the day.

The '93 Current' for example is used to refer to the common opinions, beliefs and practices of Thelemites in general, but not to the rules & orthodoxy of any of the many Thelemic organizations and lodges.

Becoming part of a Current is largely a matter of choice - to use the example above, if you practice Thelemic magic, read a lot of Thelemic literature, and talk to/hang out with a lot of Thelemites, then yes, you will 'attune to the Current', if for no other reason than because people pick up on the common beliefs and behaviors of any group they are a member of, whether it is a formal group, or just a bunch of friends.

I understand that a current is a magickal lodge, religous cult, a witchcraft covenant or any group thereof,

No it isn't. A Current does not require a formalized group of any kind - it just requires people with shared ideas, beliefs and practices, and while that may result in the creation of one or more groups with the Current, it doesn't require it, and the Current itself could still encompass people with no group affiliation.

What if you work two currents simultaneously? would they conflict?

That depends on how many opposing viewpoints each has - I'm not sure, for example, how anyone could combine the fundamentalist/conservative christian Current with one of the Satanic Currents, but plenty of people I know do manage to combine the bushcraft & conservationist Currents with various forms of Heathen and Pagan practice.

 

[Dascent]

change "current" with "trend" and your grasp the main idea.

 

[Voidking]

Thank you very much.

What I want talking about is more like serious and devotional currents, an example of this would be several "anti-cosmic currents"or the primal current of Hecate, or "kosmic gnosis" of David beth, such currents are governed by spirits and require pacts and devotion to the current and its spirits.

I personally noticed that regular invocation and possession from spirits of a specific current and its temple egregore, will change both your energy body and even your physiology and facial features. I am looking for people who have similar experiences to understand what I am experiencing.

Another thing I noticed is that spirits of a specific current would be more willing to assist a "serious devotee".
And I would like to avoid any astral backlash from working within two different currents, hence my question.

(Just note that I speak of Invidiual work within a current, and not group work or picking up people's beliefs and behaviours.)

 

[a5a5a9]

You could create 2 different identities , one you could use it in one Current and the other on the Other Current. Before you work on a specific Current you switch to the appropiate Identity, just make sure there are no conflicts between the beliefs between the two Currents and if so Neutralize them .

 

[Asteriskos]

Current, as used by most occultists, is essentially the spirit or mood of a particular group or tradition as demonstrated by the ideas, beliefs and practices of the day.

The '93 Current' for example is used to refer to the common opinions, beliefs and practices of Thelemites in general, but not to the rules & orthodoxy of any of the many Thelemic organizations and lodges.

Becoming part of a Current is largely a matter of choice - to use the example above, if you practice Thelemic magic, read a lot of Thelemic literature, and talk to/hang out with a lot of Thelemites, then yes, you will 'attune to the Current', if for no other reason than because people pick up on the common beliefs and behaviors of any group they are a member of, whether it is a formal group, or just a bunch of friends.


No it isn't. A Current does not require a formalized group of any kind - it just requires people with shared ideas, beliefs and practices, and while that may result in the creation of one or more groups with the Current, it doesn't require it, and the Current itself could still encompass people with no group affiliation.


That depends on how many opposing viewpoints each has - I'm not sure, for example, how anyone could combine the fundamentalist/conservative christian Current with one of the Satanic Currents, but plenty of people I know do manage to combine the bushcraft & conservationist Currents with various forms of Heathen and Pagan practice.

Damn Well Said!

 

[IllusiveOwl]

From my understanding, a current is a platonic ideal or concept that is "tuned in" to. It's an ever lasting concept of infinite energy because it exists outside of time or space. Discovering it allows you to draw on its power and act as a kind of vessel for it.

I'm not part of any tradition and I have have not had anyone "pass" a current on to me. Ive heard from Damien Echols that the Knight's Templar discovered a current from the Middle East and brought it back to the West through "word of mouth". He claims it is passed from master to student through the use of energetically charged words. I have no idea how true it is.

 

[Anziel_Merkaba]

You could create 2 different identities , one you could use it in one Current and the other on the Other Current. Before you work on a specific Current you switch to the appropiate Identity, just make sure there are no conflicts between the beliefs between the two Currents and if so Neutralize them .

No need to have multiple identities you switch between, just look at the way chaos wizards twist and change their beliefs on the fly to best suit whatever they are doing at that particular moment. Of course once you get down to it, chaos magic is just diet-Hermeticism, and Hermeticism is rooted in the belief that everything is an emanation of the mind.

But to answer the OP's question, a current is a sort of objectified concept of a trend or mindset shared by a group of practitioners, or a perceived source of power or system or pantheon to draw from, if you take it as the commonly used parlance. It's really just a term to categorize styles of practice for people who huff their own farts and need to put a label on everything.

 

[Sabbatius]

In case anyone is interested, the numeric value for many differing Esoteric Orders is done through the process of isopsephy. By definition, it is the application of adding numerical value to a specific alphabet, in Crowley's case, he utilized Greek for Thelema, which numbered equaled to 93, hence 93=Thelema. Crowley also "confirmed" this with the Greek word for godly or sacrificial love, "Agape," as also numbered 93.

 

[a5a5a9]

No need to have multiple identities you switch between, just look at the way chaos wizards twist and change their beliefs on the fly to best suit whatever they are doing at that particular moment. Of course once you get down to it, chaos magic is just diet-Hermeticism, and Hermeticism is rooted in the belief that everything is an emanation of the mind.

But to answer the OP's question, a current is a sort of objectified concept of a trend or mindset shared by a group of practitioners, or a perceived source of power or system or pantheon to draw from, if you take it as the commonly used parlance. It's really just a term to categorize styles of practice for people who huff their own farts and need to put a label on everything.

The issue here is the fragmentation at the levels of the Subsconcious and below. No Human has enough integration among its deeper-aspects that will always find challenges when trying to reach specific states , call it Chaos Magick, Hermetism, etc, using your own term , The magicians own Mind doesn't have enough stability to avoid his Ego fragmentation when confronted with the Unknown.

 

[Anziel_Merkaba]

The issue here is the fragmentation at the levels of the Subsconcious and below. No Human has enough integration among its deeper-aspects that will always find challenges when trying to reach specific states , call it Chaos Magick, Hermetism, etc, using your own term , The magicians own Mind doesn't have enough stability to avoid his Ego fragmentation when confronted with the Unknown.

Sounds like a skill issue to me.

 

[Asteriskos]

In case anyone is interested, the numeric value for many differing Esoteric Orders is done through the process of isopsephy. By definition, it is the application of adding numerical value to a specific alphabet, in Crowley's case, he utilized Greek for Thelema, which numbered equaled to 93, hence 93=Thelema. Crowley also "confirmed" this with the Greek word for godly or sacrificial love, "Agape," as also numbered 93..

If you've been in the OTO or know anyone who is/has been, it's common parlance to hear "93/93 Brother/Sister" when there's more than One person in the room! - "Love is the Law, Love under Will". I'm Not a Thelemite but know some.