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What is Magic?

MorganBlack

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Yeah, praying as begging, not a fan.

From a New Thought perspective it's just bad magic and only reifies your lack. You're mythologizing and elevating to an outsized or personal Archetypal level in you own mythic narrative the state of NOT having your desire. Maybe even giving something you hate an oversized importance over your life if you are attached to feeling that thing literally hates you in some masochistic inter-personal drama. If can't get to the feeling it is done, you will be stuck there forever as the world moves on .

I'm actually fine with people who mix religion and magic , and take a more sacramental approach, be it neopagans, Catholics, Muslims, or Buddhists, or some of my fave people the Christo-Luciferians. This kind of apprach works well for us creatives types, and for who are more right-brained, and like art, cinematography, narratives, story, drama and theater to drive emotions.

On using mythic narratived see:
Historiola: The Power of Narrative Charms, from Hadean Press.
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"Praying" and "invocation" are words I tend to use as synonyms and are pretty much interchangeable. When "praying" my intent is to use the emotion + narrative myth to rewite my nephesh / subconsious / animal self and align with a mythic nrrative. Praying is as a slow-drip method to wear away dynfunctional accretions in you "soul" or "subconsious" , words we use as if we know what are really either one.

In Catholic mystical practice is process is called theosis , and is not magic per se , but can be seen as personal preperation for magic. The "Lower" elemental grades of the Golden Dawn work the same way, imho. As well as the Crowley to atheistic Satanic apprach to "fix blocks" in your "subconsious" by "overcoming social limitations." Same thing, differing only in cultural assumptions and narrative contexts. Poh-tay-toe, poh-tah-toe.
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sigh . No time to spellcheck. Make that "...as personal preparation for magic."
 
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Van Horne

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@MorganBlack You brought up many interesting points. Thank you for that!

I'm a practitioner of Archetype magick, at the moment working with the Dark Mother archtype. So I understand your points of critique, but I think it's depending on the personal perspective, still under the retention that we are referring to the "Occult" (what literally means nobody knows WTF is actually going on).

What is a "god"? In my perspective there are two definitions (in a polytheistic sense), and that grounds my reluctance to "begging".
First: a symbolization or embodiment of cosmic forces or principles. We are under their influences, no use for negotiations! They don't care. Imagine a little plankton discussing direction with the Gulf stream. Good luck! That does not necessarily mean we cannot interact. Here I would refer to "Invocation".

Secondly: As a manifestation or incarnation of individual will or desire, a powerful tool to wield for personal purpose. Maybe not to alter the world, but to alter our perception of the world. It's a bargain for both of us, for we live through the gods, and the gods live through us. I like a concept brought back to life by Christopher Plaisance's book "Evocating the Gods". According to him there was a concept in Ancient Graeco-Egyptian magick to "use" the gods for personal goals. So I started in my personal work to refer to the term "Evocation".
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I'd say, at risk of sounding pretentious; 'what it is', and 'what's going on', can be mutually exclusive
At the risk of sounding stupid, can you elaborate your point further?
 
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Imo, magic is ritual or craft which operates in between the 'flickering' of perception
 
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