It can have happened, but I do suggest you try enoquian magic. You must have your own visions on that, not for others.
What happened to them ? They fell out with each other after the angel told them to swap wives
This is a popular opinion, but it is actually not true. Some scholars assume that, because shortly after the "wife swap" the surviving records of Dee's spiritual diary end. The last few surviving records with Kelly as the scryer mention a series of 7 actions culminating in 6 month intervals, of which the last record was the third. If we then look at Dee's private diary, we can see mentions of actions at those intervals. So we can be quite sure that Dee and Kelly continued working together all the way until Dee had to return to England 2 years later.What happened to them ? They fell out with each other after the angel told them to swap wives
John Dee was brilliant and was employed be Elizabeth I as her spy chief (007) and magician. What he did, scrying and angelic magic, worked well enough that Liz kept him employed. She had an uneasy crown on her head and she needed what we would call remote viewing and other magic to stay ahead of her enemies. So, he broke the ciphers of her imprisoned sister, and did a lot of spy stuff with his theories on magic. What happened to them was King James I; a devout Christian and self-proclaimed authority on Witches who would have none of it. He needed no spy chief and naturally looked down askence on "sorcerers", so Dee and Kelly were tossed aside by him into the streets and died broke. A similiar thing happened with the US Government's remote viewing program. A rabid Christcuck was put in charge of the Stargate program and it's funding, and wanted nothing to do with it - results didn't matter - only his religion did. I think Dee did communicate with angels, not bad 'ol debbils.
Why should God want them to share each other's spouses with one another to gain his approval this is very strange if that God's angels descend upon me and ask for something that goes against my ethics I will not follow them this is just like selling oneself I prefer to stand by my principles rather than a God who can fulfill anythingWhat happened to them ? They fell out with each other after the angel told them to swap wives
I think this question throws you back to your other thread .
That was a beautiful and wise opinion so you are saying they communicated with evil spirits then why did they also help them and teach them many things was this in exchange for worship and doing the deeds they wanted like a deal and maybe many religions were formed this way by humans encountering such spirits
I will definitely practice Enochian magic but it is too early for me what is your experience of using it
I think both of them preferred working with angels.. however Kelly being the more eccentric and experimental might have gone off the deep end.. Much of his later life is a mystery and he was riddled with issues in the last portion of his life. My schpeel about spirits and demons was more or less just a basic warning to anyone reading to understand while these infernal spirits will help us and can take kind to us-- they hate the existence of and are jealous of humankind.. so they are not to be trusted. The infernal spirits / dmeons help because essentially you are binding them to do work.. The very essence of humans working with them is believed to be favorable for them-- but bargains are made.. contracts are signed.. They don't just help to help.. theres an exchange-- and plus, alot of times, the deeper a practicioner gets in his connection to a demon -- they often want you to do things in the physical that will benefit the demon and their spiritual warfare..
) yet having knowledge that would have been at least difficult for him ? Then there is the issue of the strange constructed language and the backwards dictation ( an immense mind would be needed for that ... or at least an immense unconscious - which we all have ... but savants can do things like that ) .
You are right it is impossible to be sure they were angels of God even though Dee and Kelley addressed them as such but how can anyone be sure that angels of God are not like this meaning what evidence is there that if the one true God and his angels exist they are benevolent and absolute good like our perceptionsI'm not sure if that was a question or not . Anyway, I will 'run with it' .
In either case their 'communication' was typically magical , in that ;
ie . Kelly was 'part charlatan' , yet Dee was smart and should have been able to judge that . Some of their results were suspect and others 'curious' ... maybe Kelley was a 'savant' lacking in some areas ( like paying debts, certainly
Also the issue that Dee never got anything himself , it came through Kelley. Also the common issue of what starts off good can soon be corrupted .
And the angels ... why assume you know what they were ? ' God's Angels ' ? ... what sort ? Dee's angels where of two hierarchies and one was based on the Elizabethan court models of the time .
Yes, amateur 'magicians' that don't like study and historical background and context can have opinions too .... but they can end up all over the place and be very ill informed , leading to strange postulations and assumptions .
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Thank you for sharing your valuable experience Are there creatures other than these demons that are not evil but benevolent Is such a classification even correct
