What's after death?

[Kepler]

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To expound specifically toward a greatly reduced answer that is by no means definite, consider how consciousness is sustained through its organic body's atomic changes during its lifetime.

The least complex(by no means simple) with the fewest assumptions is that discrete consciousness arises(is defined) by the universe from the products of the universe. A result of external natural elements and systems interacting in a pattern.

When including hidden spacetime dimensionality, where all points of energy matter and their discrete organizations have and form consciousness, it's possible to expand the philosophy into an afterlife model where the pattern or soul of organic life is anchored to celestial and atomic patterns that can reappear across the universe. This idea leads to intentionally directed reincarnation on this planet and other worlds in harmonizing with the celestial relationships that give rise to one's incarnation. It could be poetically said that one's soul is carried throughout the universe by egregores that reappear and are recognized by their celestial relationships. From this there's the possibility of substantive new funerary rites in line with a modern understanding of the universe.

What it's like in the afterlife is intriguing to consider and try to penetrate. One of my favourite descriptions that aligns with the above is one I read into from the opening paragraphs of Berenice:

Herein was I born. But it is mere idleness to say that I had not lived before — that the soul has no previous existence. You deny it. Let us not argue the matter. Convinced myself I seek not to convince. There is, however, a remembrance of ærial forms — of spiritual and meaning eyes — of sounds musical yet sad — a remembrance which will not be excluded: a memory like a shadow, vague, variable, indefinite, unsteady — and like a shadow too, in the impossibility of my getting rid of it, while the sunlight of my reason shall exist.

In that chamber was I born. Thus awaking, as it were, from the long night of what seemed, but was not, nonentity at once into the very regions of fairy land — into a palace of imagination — into the wild dominions of monastic thought and erudition — it is not singular that I gazed around me with a startled and ardent eye — that I loitered away my boyhood in books, and dissipated my youth in reverie — but it is singular that as years rolled away, and the noon of manhood found me still in the mansion of my fathers — it is wonderful what stagnation there fell upon the springs of my life — wonderful how total an inversion took place in the character of my common thoughts. The realities of the world affected me as visions, and as visions only, while the wild ideas of the land of dreams became, in turn, — not the material of my every-day existence — but in very deed that existence utterly and solely in itself.

The reading of the bold/ul for me describing an inversion after death where consciousness is held, cohesive by the result of its incarnate thoughts and alignment with the celestial and truth. The book is wonderful through this lens, and Eureka!

 

[Yazata]

Why did you start with that line from Book of the Law without giving context, or an explanation / referencing it in the rest of your post? Now people will ask what it is and the thread will go off-topic. If you quote a text than include your reason for doing so please.

 

[Kepler]

Why did you start with that line from Book of the Law without giving context, or an explanation / referencing it in the rest of your post? Now people will ask what it is and the thread will go off-topic. If you quote a text than include your reason for doing so please.

It's perilous to comment directly on the Book. Centers of Pestilence(I don't want to be a cult leader), and other issues which you do correctly bring up. It's from investigating that specific line, with Berenice and experiences that the current understanding I posted was inferred.

 

[PinealisGlandia]

I'm not entirely sure there is an "after death" to speak of. I'll do my best to explain.

One day I performed the

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(not the link I learned it from, but the steps described starting on page 4 are essentially what I followed). While I was sitting there in the grass, picturing worms eating my corpse, it occurred to me: I have no memory of becoming alive. One day matter was arranged one way, another day it was arranged another way, and at some point in the latter arrangement, I became aware of myself. This realization sparked something in me that's hard to put into words. I realized that the thinking, the awareness, the consciousness, that was always there and has no attachment to the body I associate with myself. It will be there when the body is gone, because it was there before the body was there. It sounds so simple when I write it out or say it, but what I experienced was a knowing, not a philosophical thought. It was like a sudden childhood memory coming back to me in a flash, but it wasn't a visual memory, it was more like a lightbulb going off. "I was here before I was here, I'll be here after I'm here".

It's not so much a reincarnation belief as much as a sense that awareness is not contingent on the senses. You'd still be you without eyes, ears, a nose, nerve endings to feel through, etc. You'd still be you without a body.

 

[UnlikelySith]

It could be that a lot of those possibilities are simultaneously true. Not claiming this as absolute, just how I've personally felt/seen it to be.

• If you don't reach your goal but weren't necessarily a bad person, rebirth as human and try again.
• If you were a really good person, maybe ascend to guide or some sort of higher level "position". I think practitioners of magic who helped humanity also fall into this category. It's not uncommon to see spirits/deities etc that held a status as magician.
• If you die in tragedy/shame/unexpectedly, the weight of your soul or whatever exact mechanic there is prohibits you from entering a possible rebirth or ascension, turning you into a wandering spirit.
• If you were a really nasty person, you "descend" to a "demon" type of entity which may be cool and all depending on your views, but I think there's a gimmick. It requires you to feed constantly to sustain that. And maybe, just maybe, that shit ain't easy or fun.

Again, this is not definite of course. My own observations over time and after lots of certain personal experiences and reading, etc.

I like this thesis. In Hinduism though, reincarnation would suggest that you respawn as a living creature: human, animal or plant depending on how you lived your previous life. Do we just keep repeating this cycle or is there an endpoint to all this?

 

[Konsciencia]

I like this thesis. In Hinduism though, reincarnation would suggest that you respawn as a living creature: human, animal or plant depending on how you lived your previous life. Do we just keep repeating this cycle or is there an endpoint to all this?

That's a good question, indeed. According to my Spirit. This may be my last incarnation. Perhaps, I will come back. Who knows.

 

[Lemongrass00]

I like this thesis. In Hinduism though, reincarnation would suggest that you respawn as a living creature: human, animal or plant depending on how you lived your previous life. Do we just keep repeating this cycle or is there an endpoint to all this?

One thing I’ve always wondered about reincarnation is if it’s really just an artistic way to describe atheism.

if you view it as you the individual completely die, but metaphorically you’re “reborn” in the sense that humanity continues after your death then is it really reincarnation?

it would definitely have to imply some part of “you” remains. But then again this could be a metaphor for the human instincts/ collective unconscious INHERITED in the genome of every individual and not us specifically, as we contribute to the greater whole.

So our contribution to the whole lives on through our offspring and those we interact with in life, although us as an individual is still extinguished from existence.

unless again the argument is that the next reincarnation of you is the sum total of all previous incarnations somehow which would mean that would be what you currently are.

it definitely messes with your mind to think about.