When A Human Suicide, What Happens To Their Soul?

[Anomander Rake]

I looked for a post about this but I couldn't find. If there is, please forgive me.

So, like I said in the title, I want to know what happens after one suicide.

I'll explain you what are my thoughts about this matter:
Firstly, I believe in reincarnation because it is only thing make sense. And I do not think there is a difference on death ways. So, if one suicide, killed by someone, or die naturally/tragidically, all are same. They all reincarnate another life for their spiritual evolve till they transcend human life.
There are people who says that if one suicide they have low frequancy bla bla so it is a bad thing. It's completely nonsense. Low frequency doesn't mean a bad thing I guess. It is just a state, like high frequancy. It's not important.

I couldn't tell what my thoughts are exactly, it's hard for me, so forgive me.

I want to know what you think. Thank you!!!

 

[Vonixa Tiresia]

À la Aristotle, IMO there is simply nothing after death. The "soul", insofar it might be considered a "soul", is merely the animating spirit of the body, its pneuma, it is not in any way immortal and its fate is fundamentally tied to that of the body. Hence, when the body dies, the "soul" dies with it too. This is why the death of living beings involves a release of energy, because the "soul" is destroyed, and the residual energy within spills out.

Even if reincarnation is true, I don't see a world in which it's really "you" at all that is reincarnating. If you are stripped of your memories, your preferences, tendencies, or any other unique features, it's less of a personhood (which naturally entails uniqueness to some extent) continuing and more of a continuing vital essence, which really just returns it into a metaphor for the cycle of life. Mushrooms feasting on a corpse are doing the same continuance of vital essence.

Either way, how someone dies is fairly irrelevant. If there is nothing after death, then how you live or die is obviously not going to impact you after death. If reincarnation strips you of everything identifiably you, then IMO any system of karma is more akin to a generational curse. Bit of a tangent, but karma as a concept to me just seems like an attempt at controlling people's actions. Do "bad" things and get an unpleasant afterlife, much like hell. Admirable in intent, to promote altruism, but not worth legitimate metaphysical consideration IMO.

 

[Anomander Rake]

Even if reincarnation is true, I don't see a world in which it's really "you" at all that is reincarnating. If you are stripped of your memories, your preferences, tendencies, or any other unique features, it's less of a personhood (which naturally entails uniqueness to some extent) continuing and more of a continuing vital essence, which really just returns it into a metaphor for the cycle of life. Mushrooms feasting on a corpse are doing the same continuance of vital essence

Knowledge comes with you into yoyr new life and you remember them, you know them instinctly.

And your essence is your soul, so even if you is in this life your body and mind, true you is your soul. Soul impacts your mind and decisions.

Either way, how someone dies is fairly irrelevant. If there is nothing after death, then how you live or die is obviously not going to impact you after death. If reincarnation strips you of everything identifiably you, then IMO any system of karma is more akin to a generational curse. Bit of a tangent, but karma as a concept to me just seems like an attempt at controlling people's actions. Do "bad" things and get an unpleasant afterlife, much like hell. Admirable in intent, to promote altruism, but not worth legitimate metaphysical consideration IMO.

It is a telltale to control people, "do not 'bad' things!" but there is no a bad or good thing. Everything is neutral. Everything is about desires, feelings, nature of things and power.

 

[Ignotus]

According to the sanskrit the manner of death does matter
Suicide or ātmahatyā is a serious interference wie the lifespan and karmic path.
Īśā Upaniṣad, verse 3:
“Sunless are those worlds, covered with blind darkness. To them go after death those people who are the slayers of the Self (ātmahano janāḥ).”
Garuḍa Purāṇa (Preta Khaṇḍa 2.22.8):
“Those who die by hanging, those who are killed by poison or weapons, those who commit suicide (ātmopaghātinaḥ), and those who die of cholera etc. become ghosts (pretas).”
Mahābhārata:
“They who commit suicide never attain to regions that are blessed.”

 

[Yonathan Esotera team]

according to esoteric kabbalah Every person lives through 12 reincarnations, one in each horoscope sign.
After completing all 12 lifetimes, you reunite with God.
However, if a person commits suicide, the cycle resets, and you must start the reincarnations over from the beginning (meaning you have to go through another 12 lifetimes to reunite with God).

 

[Aeternus]

I looked for a post about this but I couldn't find. If there is, please forgive me.

So, like I said in the title, I want to know what happens after one suicide.

I'll explain you what are my thoughts about this matter:
Firstly, I believe in reincarnation because it is only thing make sense. And I do not think there is a difference on death ways. So, if one suicide, killed by someone, or die naturally/tragidically, all are same. They all reincarnate another life for their spiritual evolve till they transcend human life.
There are people who says that if one suicide they have low frequancy bla bla so it is a bad thing. It's completely nonsense. Low frequency doesn't mean a bad thing I guess. It is just a state, like high frequancy. It's not important.

I couldn't tell what my thoughts are exactly, it's hard for me, so forgive me.

I want to know what you think. Thank you!!!

Hello! If one decides to suicide, this will affect their aura very negatively. The event is violent, no matter how much the bullshit of suicide cryo-chambers or whatever other things we see try to say it isn't. And worse, it is violence done on your own self, on your body image, on your soul which carries the spark of the Divine.

Various beliefs in this world rightly throw a frown upon suicide, even in ancient times were poverty, wars and diseases for example were quite devastating. Since @Ignotus already took a look at the Buddhist side of things (very appreciated input btw) I will now state what Kabbalah (one of my beliefs and practices) have to state about this:

The soul (neshamah) is the divine spark of the soul which needs to complete a specific mission in the physical world (Olam HaZeh) and of course fulfilling mitzvot (commandments). Cutting the journey of the soul through suicide will also disrupt the necessary tikkun (spiritual rectification) that the soul needs in order to fulfill the mission it has on this physical plane, besides the loss of capacity of Earthly action.

Not to mention that suicide will also lead, according to Kabbalah, to a realm of absolute truth that will rather magnify unresolved spiritual and emotional agonries instead of ending them.

Taking a further look we can then see the Islamic Sufi mystical tradition holds very pro-life and anti-suicide views as well:

Besides teaching that the human being is a mirror designed to reflect God's attributes and the physical body is a temporary sanctuary lent by the Creator, there is a specific verse in the Quran that clearly states that suicide is not to be done at all costs:

Do not kill yourselves - Surah An-Nisa 4:29

The only thing as per the Sufi tradition is to destroy the ego, that is the nafs or the greedy and illusion-driven ego in order to merge with Divine Love. Destroying the physical body though (suicide) is viewed as a rejection of qadar (divine decree).

In Tibetan Mystic Traditions of Buddhism, we can also see that suicide is frowned upon:

The Bardo Tobol (Tibetan Book of the Dead) states that human rebirth is a rare gift and and precious spiritual currency. It is this realm (the physical one) where one can practice Dharma and the Dharmic principles in order to escape Samsara (the cycle of suffering).

Due to the fact that suicide is driven by intense anger, aversion and despair, the mind-stream is transferred directly in the Bardo (the post-death state) and the consciousness can become disoriented and wandering without relief in a highly emotional distress due to no physical body grounding it.

And lastly, Hermeticism and Neo-platonism (Western Esoteric traditions):

In the Corpus Hermeticum, the Cosmos is viewed as an interconnected, living organism where every soul is assigned a specific "station" or duty / mission by the Divine Architect.

In the Phaedo, Socrates states that we are possessions of the Gods and we are placed in specific operations and areas or "garrison". Plotinus further states that one should never violently tear away their soul away from the body. If the soul leaves the body while still being attached to the physical passions or it is filled with bitter emotional disharmony, it will automatically remain bound to the lower and unrefined astral realms rather than ascending.

 

[Keldan]

I work with spirits of the dead, and there are very specific protocols that apply after a person dies. These protocols are not something I can share because they fall into a level of practice that people would find unbelievable, and frankly they are only accessible to those who work with the dead themselves.

What I can say is that when a human dies by suicide, their spirit always carries a huge fear that they will never be truly understood. That fear makes it very difficult for them to let go and move forward. So they are the spirits that require support and guidance after death in order to move on.

You can speak with their spirits after they have passed. Through that direct contact, you can come to understand the reason behind what they did and gain a better understanding of their situation. This understanding often plays an important role in helping their spirit find peace.

 

[Anomander Rake]

I work with spirits of the dead, and there are very specific protocols that apply after a person dies. These protocols are not something I can share because they fall into a level of practice that people would find unbelievable, and frankly they are only accessible to those who work with the dead themselves.

What I can say is that when a human dies by suicide, their spirit always carries a huge fear that they will never be truly understood. That fear makes it very difficult for them to let go and move forward. So they are the spirits that require support and guidance after death in order to move on.

You can speak with their spirits after they have passed. Through that direct contact, you can come to understand the reason behind what they did and gain a better understanding of their situation. This understanding often plays an important role in helping their spirit find peace.

Pagans and shamans make rituals for them occasionally from what I heard. I get it, thank you.

 

[Pneuma_Purifier]

If there is nothing after death, then how you live or die is obviously not going to impact you after death.

When a person convinces themselves that nothing awaits beyond death, their spirit is often confused, drifting through the familiar rooms of the living. They often linger as lost ghosts.

There is a realm beyond death. When you step out of your body during a conscious OBE you'll see the truth directly.

 

[Eldros]

When a person convinces themselves that nothing awaits beyond death, their spirit is often confused, drifting through the familiar rooms of the living. They often linger as lost ghosts.

There is a realm beyond death. When you step out of your body during a conscious OBE you'll see the truth directly.

You're saying that a belief is a fact. /Death might just be the end of experience if awareness depends on the brain.
An OBE is not proof of an afterlife, and we do not know that a soul survives.

 

[Anasa]

The birds go out from their mouth.Stars bless it

 

[Lu_CiD]

I work with spirits of the dead, and there are very specific protocols that apply after a person dies. These protocols are not something I can share because they fall into a level of practice that people would find unbelievable, and frankly they are only accessible to those who work with the dead themselves.

What I can say is that when a human dies by suicide, their spirit always carries a huge fear that they will never be truly understood. That fear makes it very difficult for them to let go and move forward. So they are the spirits that require support and guidance after death in order to move on.

You can speak with their spirits after they have passed. Through that direct contact, you can come to understand the reason behind what they did and gain a better understanding of their situation. This understanding often plays an important role in helping their spirit find peace.

can I ask what path you follow?

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ive always thought that suicide leaves a stain in the world, it seems that it should also stain one's soul to a degree as well.
as someone who's health with allot of that kinda thing in my life ive thought about this allot.

 

[Morell]

Suicide is a tragedy, but it would be better to say that Suicide is the consequence of a tragedy.

It is not in human nature to suicide ourselves, on the contrary our nature is to protect our life. The survival is the strongest instinct that is, even stronger than parental instinct. It takes a lot to overwrite that. It requires to cause such pain and despair that even hope is not enough and the person then turns their self-defensive system against what harms them the most - which is being who they are. Suicide in such cases is not fault or sin of the person doing it, it is what they did to get out of where they were, it's a testament to evil and suffering done to them... rarely spoken fact! Even less with religion that are used to control people seen as human resources for the community... which rather means the elite. When they need you alive, they even try to take away this escape route that would deprive them of you as a worker... To me this kind of suicide is self preservation in the extreme. And like it or not, it works. It is not exactly that Suicide is wrong, it is ultimate testament of wrong being done to a person... Yet, who listens?

Interesting fact is, that when divorce was becoming legal in countries, woman suicides noticeably dropped. Is it really hard to figure out why?

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Religion is powerful tool in overwriting mind of a person. We can easily name multiple cases of when people were willing to die for their religion. Notoriously known Jonestown, Heaven's gate, the cult in Japan using Sarin... These people who are brainwashed, they act on their own will, but they are not really thinking freely for themselves, being groomed or brainwashed sometimes for many ears if not since their birth.

ive always thought that suicide leaves a stain in the world,

I would say that suicide finishes drawing stain in the world.

What I can say is that when a human dies by suicide, their spirit always carries a huge fear that they will never be truly understood. That fear makes it very difficult for them to let go and move forward. So they are the spirits that require support and guidance after death in order to move on.

You can speak with their spirits after they have passed. Through that direct contact, you can come to understand the reason behind what they did and gain a better understanding of their situation. This understanding often plays an important role in helping their spirit find peace.

Man, this is something that so far makes the most sense...