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Where does one start when building their own table of correspondences

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With building their own table of correspondences? Countless books are out there, but unless You're into reading them and using them daily, you don't hammer correspondences into your brain.

So...suggestions on where to start building your very own table of correspondences without plagiarizing books already out there?
 

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Keep your thread titles descriptive of the thread topic.

"Where does one start..." gives no indication what the thread is about.
 

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I'd suggest a simple notebook and a whole lot of patience. Choose a group of correspondences to begin with: maybe the zodiac, or the planetary rulers. Give each one their own page, and begin listing every correspondence you can think of. Keep it up for some years as you come across new things and voilà! You have it.

For practical purposes I would recommend simply using one of the excellent complete reference tables already out there (thanks, doc) and just keep a small personal list of correspondences when you find things that fit better than the tomes suggest. I have just one item on my list: money = air, not earth. That is the only standard correspondence where I have noticed a drastic difference when changed.
 
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I'd suggest a simple notebook and a whole lot of patience. Choose a group of correspondences to begin with: maybe the zodiac, or the planetary rulers. Give each one their own page, and begin listing every correspondence you can think of. Keep it up for some years as you come across new things and voilà! You have it.

For practical purposes I would recommend simply using one of the excellent complete reference tables already out there (thanks, doc) and just keep a small personal list of correspondences when you find things that fit better than the tomes suggest. I have just one item on my list: money = air, not earth. That is the only standard correspondence where I have noticed a drastic difference when changed.
Excellent 8deas, thanks @Ancient ... Sorry @SkullTraill ... Will do.
 

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With building their own table of correspondences? Countless books are out there, but unless You're into reading them and using them daily, you don't hammer correspondences into your brain.

So...suggestions on where to start building your very own table of correspondences without plagiarizing books already out there?
I suppose you'd start with the concepts you use most often in your own workings. This would give you some momentum to keep at it. As for "plagiarizing," there's no need to reinvent the wheel. If no need arises to question received wisdom, receive it with thanks.
 
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I suppose you'd start with the concepts you use most often in your own workings. This would give you some momentum to keep at it. As for "plagiarizing," there's no need to reinvent the wheel. If no need arises to question received wisdom, receive it with thanks.
Good ideas here too. One or two lesser concepts that are hard to find are English and Greek gematria/Qabalah.
 
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Well interesting thing. An old teacher doing angelic work and qabbalistic work came up with a matching English to Hebrew vices and virtues. So ... Kind of.
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Good ídeas though, my mind was stuck on Agrippa's numerical scale system.
 

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With building their own table of correspondences? Countless books are out there, but unless You're into reading them and using them daily, you don't hammer correspondences into your brain.

So...suggestions on where to start building your very own table of correspondences without plagiarizing books already out there?
Might sound really basic but I simply go with the colors of the Sephiroth or any other link that makes sense to me most of the time. As incense for Mercury / Hod, Crowley gives "dittany of Crete". Never found anything like that, the occult store that we had years ago didn't even know what it was. Then I saw a pack of sticks called "celestial" and as Kokav is star I picked that.
 

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Personally I do not regard correspondences as particularly useful.

I just put my attention to the target entity and wait for a response

I don't recall a rejection - but then I mostly ignore the human lists of gods and spirits
 

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Countless books are out there
The historical problem with magical correspondences is that no one ever fully agrees on attributions, and this was one criticism that rationalists launched against Hermeticists at the dawn of the Scientific Revolution. The original idea was that energy from the Primum Mobile worked its way down through to the sensible world through the Zodiac, planets, etc. and manifested in this or that object, or a as quality of this or that, and that you could use these correspondences in magical operations. In effect, the original energy is present in material, though nowadays this is general considered symbolic, not literal, given what we know about material things (or think we know).

Up into the Victorian Age you see with the likes of the Golden Dawn that their lists are somehow scientifically precise, as in, if you are skrying/pathworking in a given region, you should see X,Y,Z to know you are on the right path. But I have found that this is "putting the cart before the horse"*, so to speak. If I am told what I am supposed to see, then my subconscious will generate it even if I pretend to be objective in a dream world.
From this I learned, for myself, that the correspondences are supplemental symbolism of symbolic relationships to the path in general - that is, they are not necessarily verifiers, they are additional symbolism used for reinforcement of a given energetic line of experience.

You could take the view, as I have, that magical correspondences are also by no means complete at all, nor are they absolute - in fact, their very existence as concepts points to the relative, fluctuating nature of "Spirit" as it manifests in our experience. That aside, they are a form of language with which one can establish relationships with the Spirit in its myriad forms. But if you were to set the books aside and look at forming your own, then you can think of it as such - your language, your symbolism, interconnected with your experience. I had always thought this was one of the more charming points of Chaos Magic, but there needs to be consistency.
And the old school stuff, whether cross referencing agrees, can still very much apply - in fact, those old correspondences might sneak up on you to remind you they are there. Omens and such.


*Not in the sense of Descartes - a different animal, he having reduced "matter" to mechanism (still technically "ideas" in a dream sense), though I am not sure if he discounted celestial influences entirely.

"dittany of Crete".
I had similar experience hunting it down, and one lady told me to just use oregano, which I did. I felt like I was in a pizza parlor. I eventually found it locally, and I admit that the visions that came through from it were startling for their clarity.
I believe Crowley recounted in his Confessions that he and a partner used it in a Goetia evocation to help a friend (Bennet?), but I would have to go back and re-read that again. My impression was his descriptions of the spirit did not add up, but the operation worked, though he himself did not seem impressed by the results.
 
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The historical problem with magical correspondences is that no one ever fully agrees on attributions, and this was one criticism that rationalists launched against Hermeticists at the dawn of the Scientific Revolution. The original idea was that energy from the Primum Mobile worked its way down through to the sensible world through the Zodiac, planets, etc. and manifested in this or that object, or a as quality of this or that, and that you could use these correspondences in magical operations. In effect, the original energy is present in material, though nowadays this is general considered symbolic, not literal, given what we know about material things (or think we know).

Up into the Victorian Age you see with the likes of the Golden Dawn that their lists are somehow scientifically precise, as in, if you are skrying/pathworking in a given region, you should see X,Y,Z to know you are on the right path. But I have found that this is "putting the cart before the horse"*, so to speak. If I am told what I am supposed to see, then my subconscious will generate it even if I pretend to be objective in a dream world.
From this I learned, for myself, that the correspondences are supplemental symbolism of symbolic relationships to the path in general - that is, they are not necessarily verifiers, they are additional symbolism used for reinforcement of a given energetic line of experience.

You could take the view, as I have, that magical correspondences are also by no means complete at all, nor are they absolute - in fact, their very existence as concepts points to the relative, fluctuating nature of "Spirit" as it manifests in our experience. That aside, they are a form of language with which one can establish relationships with the Spirit in its myriad forms. But if you were to set the books aside and look at forming your own, then you can think of it as such - your language, your symbolism, interconnected with your experience. I had always thought this was one of the more charming points of Chaos Magic, but there needs to be consistency.
And the old school stuff, whether cross referencing agrees, can still very much apply - in fact, those old correspondences might sneak up on you to remind you they are there. Omens and such.


*Not in the sense of Descartes - a different animal, he having reduced "matter" to mechanism (still technically "ideas" in a dream sense), though I am not sure if he discounted celestial influences entirely.


I had similar experience hunting it down, and one lady told me to just use oregano, which I did. I felt like I was in a pizza parlor. I eventually found it locally, and I admit that the visions that came through from it were startling for their clarity.
I believe Crowley recounted in his Confessions that he and a partner used it in a Goetia evocation to help a friend (Bennet?), but I would have to go back and re-read that again. My impression was his descriptions of the spirit did not add up, but the operation worked, though he himself did not seem impressed by the results.
Hmm.. lots to digest here. I guess since I'm on the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn path, I will build a personal table 9f correspondences from my own experiences as well as 777 and others, as my set of books I own are few.
 

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Yeah, I might buy myself Modern Magick and 777 for Christmas. 777 has a wealth of information, as does the Complete Magicians Tables. Modern Magick for more GD ritual and tools design.
Go for 777 Revised then, or even better, there is a further updated edition, it has a tounge in cheek name, something like 776,75. But yeah Skinners book triumphs all, much more modern and more scholars work done in it.
 

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Do you really need a personal table of correspondences? Maybe you'd like to start with plain old colours and take it from there, no need to memorise abstract concepts like sephiroth or planets in that case. Crowley once described the Quabalah as a sort of filing cabinet so you'll just have to decide how many "drawers" you'd like to have. Also:

 

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Do you really need a personal table of correspondences? Maybe you'd like to start with plain old colours and take it from there, no need to memorise abstract concepts like sephiroth or planets in that case. Crowley once described the Quabalah as a sort of filing cabinet so you'll just have to decide how many "drawers" you'd like to have. Also:

Thats the one Im talking about!
 
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