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[Morell]

A while ago I started a thread about removing Islamic magic from Islam and reworking the system: Islamic magic without Islamic patriarchy

The thread was invaded by pedophile-prophet-protectors so it didn't go anywhere.

But if anyone out there has disengaged Islamic magic from all the problematic stuff (patriarchy, anything that energetically connects to the egregore of Shariah law, hatred of "kaffirs" or that false prophet, or the aspect of Sufism that participated in Islamic colonialism/attacked pagan gods), I'd be interested if you start a discussion thread on it!

Magic is universal. No need to "free it" from anything. Nor Pedo, nor Carpenter own it, nor anyone else. None can take it from others.

 

[AbammonTheGreat]

A while ago I started a thread about removing Islamic magic from Islam and reworking the system: Islamic magic without Islamic patriarchy

The thread was invaded by pedophile-prophet-protectors so it didn't go anywhere.

But if anyone out there has disengaged Islamic magic from all the problematic stuff (patriarchy, anything that energetically connects to the egregore of Shariah law, hatred of "kaffirs" or that false prophet, or the aspect of Sufism that participated in Islamic colonialism/attacked pagan gods), I'd be interested if you start a discussion thread on it!

No you got blown out for being ignorant. Nobody likes an idea man. Thats like saying "hear me out. What if we can take the mexican out of tacos because I really dont like mexicans".

 

[Ananda]

Angelkesfari downloads books on magic gtom

A while ago I started a thread about removing Islamic magic from Islam and reworking the system: Islamic magic without Islamic patriarchy

The thread was invaded by pedophile-prophet-protectors so it didn't go anywhere.

But if anyone out there has disengaged Islamic magic from all the problematic stuff (patriarchy, anything that energetically connects to the egregore of Shariah law, hatred of "kaffirs" or that false prophet, or the aspect of Sufism that participated in Islamic colonialism/attacked pagan gods), I'd be interested if you start a discussion thread on it!

I'm from a buddhist background and anything islamic - the prayer, recitations, that image posted above, give me a bad vibe and I want to turn away. I'd stay far away from it.

 

[Morell]

Angelkesfari downloads books on magic gtom


I'm from a buddhist background and anything islamic - the prayer, recitations, that image posted above, give me a bad vibe and I want to turn away. I'd stay far away from it.

I stay away from Islamic stuff myself. Sometimes I wonder how can it be of help to anyone.

 

[Ananda]

You look for justice in material rewards, but the Greatest Mercy is the Consciousness itself—the silent space within you that observes the suffering without being consumed by it. That space is where the 'Successor' (Khalifa) resides, untouched by the starvation of the body or the coldness of the world.

Could you please provide citations from the Koran where this idea is expressed? I'm concerned that whatever esoteric school you belong to, may just borrow ideas from elsewhere, present them in an islamic garb, and claim that it belongs to Islam. I'm reminded of 'Zen Christians' and 'Christian non-duality', not that these are guilty of that sin.

Also, Angelkesfari also mentioned that those born with an astrological conjunction of saturn and mars have an affinity for magick. Readers should note that this idea does not make sense unless the idea of reincarnation, past lives and their interests and actions performed, are taken into account. It is also inaccurate, the correct combinations for a talent for occult perception are provided by vedic astrology.

 

[thepolestar]

Could you please provide citations from the Koran where this idea is expressed? I'm concerned that whatever esoteric school you belong to, may just borrow ideas from elsewhere, present them in an islamic garb, and claim that it belongs to Islam. I'm reminded of 'Zen Christians' and 'Christian non-duality', not that these are guilty of that sin.

Also, Angelkesfari also mentioned that those born with an astrological conjunction of saturn and mars have an affinity for magick. Readers should note that this idea does not make sense unless the idea of reincarnation, past lives and their interests and actions performed, are taken into account. It is also inaccurate, the correct combinations for a talent for occult perception are provided by vedic astrology.

Thank you for saying this. This is a HUGE thing.

I have a theory that this is why so many mosques are constructed on top of demolished temples - including the Dome of the Rock which is directly built on the foundation stone of the Second Jewish Temple. They harvest energy from conquered /subjugated sacred sites, and then they use philosophies taken from the cultures they murdered.

 

[Morell]

Thank you for saying this. This is a HUGE thing.

I have a theory that this is why so many mosques are constructed on top of demolished temples - including the Dome of the Rock which is directly built on the foundation stone of the Second Jewish Temple. They harvest energy from conquered /subjugated sacred sites, and then they use philosophies taken from the cultures they murdered.

Interesting. Guess that I was naive when I thought that only Christians do this kind of leeching on spiritual grounds.

But then, whoever wins, eradicates whoever was there before them. One day all these churches and mosques will be riased to the ground and replaced by new religious temples.

 

[thepolestar]

Rabbi Yishai Fleisher, who lives in Israel, recently posted a great video about this:

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Rabbi Yishai and a Knesset member take you on a tour to basically expose what's really going on with the Temple Mount. As a magician, you can put two and two together and figure out why the Dome of the Rock was strategically built on that site - energetic leeching, like you said!

 

[Ananda]

I have a theory that this is why so many mosques are constructed on top of demolished temples - including the Dome of the Rock

The link between the kaaba and the dome of the rock is weirder. 666 is the number of the beast, right?

Check out this video on the numerology of the distance between the dome of the rock and kaaba, and between the pyramid of Giza and the pyramid of Quetzalcoatl.

 

[Morell]

The link between the kaaba and the dome of the rock is weirder. 666 is the number of the beast, right?

Check out this video on the numerology of the distance between the dome of the rock and kaaba, and between the pyramid of Giza and the pyramid of Quetzalcoatl.

If I remember correct, 666 is number of perfect devil as well as perfect human. Might be that the two are one and the same?

 

[Angelkesfarl]

Well, have you noticed what I am noticing?
Everyone has drawn their swords and pounced on Islam and on every word I’ve said, abandoning any scientific or research-based inquiry into the value of what I wrote for you. Instead, you charged in with utter racism and intellectual and ideological aggression, simply because I am a Muslim?
Or because I am presenting to you Islamic knowledge or perspectives?
Everyone is repeating the same accusations that I will not even deign to answer; anyone searching on Google will find thousands of articles that respond to, dismantle, and refute all this intellectual nonsense, hatred, and racism.

But has anyone here actually tried what I wrote or looked at it with the eye of an expert? Not once.

Does anyone possess a single piece of information regarding the text I shared? Not a soul.
The strange thing is that this hatred for Islam stems from a bitter reality: the mere declaration by a Muslim that he worships One God seems to drive all pagans mad. Why? Simply because, in the Muslim's creed, it nullifies the alleged divinity of their own gods. So, has my belief altered yours?
To all you 'honorable' people, it is clear who is seeing the truth and, quite frankly, who is the racist and who is the aggressor.

It is strange how this is all part of a basic human nature built on the fact that following a religion makes you love its members while feeling a natural disbelief toward others. But let’s set aside all these philosophies and return to the mirror of reality:

Do you possess any actual knowledge? Do you have anything useful to offer? Is there a real scholar among you, or is this all just talk, wishes, delusional projections, and useless fantasies?

 

[Morell]

Well, have you noticed what I am noticing?
Everyone has drawn their swords and pounced on Islam and on every word I’ve said, abandoning any scientific or research-based inquiry into the value of what I wrote for you. Instead, you charged in with utter racism and intellectual and ideological aggression, simply because I am a Muslim?
Or because I am presenting to you Islamic knowledge or perspectives?
Everyone is repeating the same accusations that I will not even deign to answer; anyone searching on Google will find thousands of articles that respond to, dismantle, and refute all this intellectual nonsense, hatred, and racism.

But has anyone here actually tried what I wrote or looked at it with the eye of an expert? Not once.

Does anyone possess a single piece of information regarding the text I shared? Not a soul.
The strange thing is that this hatred for Islam stems from a bitter reality: the mere declaration by a Muslim that he worships One God seems to drive all pagans mad. Why? Simply because, in the Muslim's creed, it nullifies the alleged divinity of their own gods. So, has my belief altered yours?
To all you 'honorable' people, it is clear who is seeing the truth and, quite frankly, who is the racist and who is the aggressor.

It is strange how this is all part of a basic human nature built on the fact that following a religion makes you love its members while feeling a natural disbelief toward others. But let’s set aside all these philosophies and return to the mirror of reality:

Do you possess any actual knowledge? Do you have anything useful to offer? Is there a real scholar among you, or is this all just talk, wishes, delusional projections, and useless fantasies?

Don't like our opinions? Islam is not your baby and your god is all-mighty. If he were offended by us, he can step on us like flies. So trust him that ha can take care of himself and stop whining about our lack of fascination in Islam.

And if you can't get over it... there's the door.

 

[Adelina]

I think the main problem lies in inner enmity between different branches of Abrahamic teachings. Perhaps if this part of forum was divided into Christian/Muslim subsection, it would cause less trouble between people. It is like RHP/LHP subsections, so someone who doesn't like LHP simply doesn't visit that subsection and doesn't have to deal with LHP in his righteous RHP part of the forum.

I was always curious about Arabian Magic. However, while doing my research on it, I found that in its current form it is heavily tied to Quran. That is definitely not my cup of tea. But it cannot be argued that it has major place in current form of Arabian Magic.

As I wrote before, I see religion as highly degenerate form of leftovers from Supreme Science. But until that point in time when this Science becomes again more approachable, religion will keep on clouding the vision of sincere seekers of truth and will provoke them into more aggressive means of establishing their deeply flawed viewpoint on the subject. It is better to acknowledge such characteristic of religions and try to avoid all the painful collisions which might be caused by that. All of us are less or more on the same path - path of knowledge. Oftentimes such paths go through deep and dark woods of religion and its imposed monopoly on knowledge. Let's not fight over religions and feed the nasty sides of already nasty egregores.

 

[thepolestar]

But why should a part of the forum be divided into a Christian/Muslim section? That's ridiculous, nobody who isn't a fanatic will have a problem with paganism.

I grew up in a Christian household, left it for yoga and Franz Bardon, and have now reintegrated my heritage through exploring Christian mysticism and Jewish Kabbalah, and also keeping my pagan side. Most occultists from a Judeo-Christian background eventually find some compromise with their Abrahamic past even if they go full-fledged polytheist.

Christianity/Islam versus paganism is NOT an RHP versus LHP distinction. This just buys into Christian and Muslim lies about paganism: that it's about blood-drinking child killers who do human sacrifice.

Pagan traditions have their own robust RHP traditions - that's why historically, Plato wasn't a fan of the goes (practitioners of Goetia, which existed before Abrahamic tradition co-opted that word).

Hinduism has preserved this - it's why Brahmanical Hinduism won't even tolerate Christian demonology or Islamic jinn magic.

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No you got blown out for being ignorant. Nobody likes an idea man. Thats like saying "hear me out. What if we can take the mexican out of tacos because I really dont like mexicans".

Hello. I have actually kept you on Ignore since you invaded my thread with your bullshit, so I'm only seeing your post here now. Let's address your newest bullshit.

Islam is not Arabian culture. Arabian culture includes Judaism (murdered by Muslims), the Druze (murdered by Muslims), the Yezidi (murdered by Muslims), Christian (murdered by Muslims), and oh yeah, a robust Arabian Pagan tradition out of Petra that was also...you guessed it... murdered by Muslims.

Islam itself wouldn't even exist in its current form if it hadn't basically copied almost every single aspect of its structure from Judaism - and then twist everything it copied to support a fascist ideology. (Tell me when Jews have treated non-Jews like second class citizens?)

The people who are actually getting "blown out for being ignorant" are you and your fanatic buddy here, the OP.

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FYI: With this, I'm bowing out of this "debate", so I'm not going to reply to the OP or his allies. This is toxic and I have a New Year's ritual planned to remove all the toxicity of 2025 and bring in a 2026 that doesn't involve more of the same.

 

[Morell]

Islam is not Arabian culture. Arabian culture includes Judaism (murdered by Muslims), the Druze (murdered by Muslims), the Yezidi (murdered by Muslims), Christian (murdered by Muslims), and oh yeah, a robust Arabian Pagan tradition out of Petra that was also...you guessed it... murdered by Muslims.

Hate to agree. but this is true. Druze in Izrael were cool people, Christians were cool, Jews were cool some Muslims were also cool, (One joined us at dinner by my Jewish friends) but we all had to fear Muslims. Multiple people were murdered during the two weeks I spend in Izrael. (1 case hit local news, 16 years old muslim boy grabbed gun and started shooting at cars passing by him)

Not to mention that Christians during history were not innocent, nor were the Jews... So this is true, however it is far from being full truth.

Islam itself wouldn't even exist in its current form if it hadn't basically copied almost every single aspect of its structure from Judaism - and then twist everything it copied to support a fascist ideology. (Tell me when Jews have treated non-Jews like second class citizens?)

Hold the trolley. There were racist Jews in history, there are some today. Extremism is present in every religion and people. We should not deny that no one is perfect.

 

[thepolestar]

I'm just quoting what I said at the bottom of my previous post:

FYI: With this, I'm bowing out of this "debate", so I'm not going to reply to the OP or his allies. This is toxic and I have a New Year's ritual planned to remove all the toxicity of 2025 and bring in a 2026 that doesn't involve more of the same.

I know why I hold my opinions and how my opinions changed and evolved with research, especially after October 7th. But continuing the argument here just isn't worth it.