Who is ALLAH? The Sovereign of the Unseen and the Manifest

[Angelkesfarl]

My friend—and I repeat, my friend: Place a mirror at an angle between a pile of trash and surrounding trees, then circle halfway around it. From one angle, you will see only the trash; from another, you will see only the trees. My sense tells me that within you lies a resentment cloaked in moral justice, which has driven you toward this narrow view focused solely on ISIS. For your information, it was Muslims who fought ISIS; we all renounced them and designated them a terrorist organization until we eliminated them. They even slaughtered Egyptian captives in Libya. Their invocation of religion does not invalidate the Oneness of the Divine; rather, it impugns their application, which is warped by their own distorted desires and used as a cover for their actions.

In Hinduism, if I were to turn my mirror toward human evil, I would also find pretexts for hatred and bring forth evidence to confirm it. However, my mirror would be distorted by the emotion of anger, which would blind me to the inner vision of tranquility and spirituality within Hindu thought. Do you understand my point? I believe once you calm down, you will.

Unfortunately, my response may not appear immediately because I am currently under 'probation,' where my posts must be reviewed before being published; so please excuse me if I am late in replying. This is how we will calmly understand one another—at a table based on the desire to understand the 'Other' and not projecting the actions of a few onto the whole. Otherwise, if we unleash hatred, we will find in every ideology and religion that which condemns it and makes us hate its adherents.

As for desertification and your other arguments, they are also a cover for the anger within your soul. 'Emotional blindness' is a dangerous condition that veils the truth from its owner. My intention in my signature is not the exclusion of others, but the adherence to truth and justice, even toward those who are unfair. Look at the words of Gandhi or the love poems in the Hinduism you admire, then look within yourself to see with the eye of insight: Is what you feel the truth, or merely a shackle preventing you from seeing the truth? This is the question?

 

[Morell]

My friend Morell, do telescopes see the mathematical and physical laws behind the life and death of stars? Shall we subject the Divine to the limited boundaries of modern science? Science may evolve to see what we, as humans incapable of encompassing all the laws and dimensions of the universe, cannot yet perceive. All our scientists agree that we see only a small fraction of the observable universe and not what lies beyond it. Shall we settle for mere theories? Do you not sometimes feel that searching for 'fingerprints' of the Creator in matter is like searching for the 'author' within the atoms of ink in his book? The 'God' I speak of is not an adversary of science, but its Originator. He is the one who granted us the entire universe and left us as His vicegerents within it by His will and under His guardianship, because as you can see, we are smaller than the management of the universe. Can all the powers and sciences of humanity manage the cosmos? I believe we are the ones who need Him, not He who needs us.

Geniality of these scientists is way beyond me, but yes, the telescopes allow them to see and count life and death of stars thanks to what they learn from various ways they use telescopes.

God can create something from nothing. But every sorcerer does that too when making servitors, making an idea that comes from nothing, given will and energy it becomes a being able to influence the world. To create a universe is then just matter of time and practice. We are baby gods. We have potential to create universes just like the old god. We just didn't master it yet.

 

[Ohana]

My friend—and I repeat, my friend: Place a mirror at an angle between a pile of trash and surrounding trees, then circle halfway around it. From one angle, you will see only the trash; from another, you will see only the trees. My sense tells me that within you lies a resentment cloaked in moral justice, which has driven you toward this narrow view focused solely on ISIS. For your information, it was Muslims who fought ISIS; we all renounced them and designated them a terrorist organization until we eliminated them. They even slaughtered Egyptian captives in Libya. Their invocation of religion does not invalidate the Oneness of the Divine; rather, it impugns their application, which is warped by their own distorted desires and used as a cover for their actions.

In Hinduism, if I were to turn my mirror toward human evil, I would also find pretexts for hatred and bring forth evidence to confirm it. However, my mirror would be distorted by the emotion of anger, which would blind me to the inner vision of tranquility and spirituality within Hindu thought. Do you understand my point? I believe once you calm down, you will.

Unfortunately, my response may not appear immediately because I am currently under 'probation,' where my posts must be reviewed before being published; so please excuse me if I am late in replying. This is how we will calmly understand one another—at a table based on the desire to understand the 'Other' and not projecting the actions of a few onto the whole. Otherwise, if we unleash hatred, we will find in every ideology and religion that which condemns it and makes us hate its adherents.

As for desertification and your other arguments, they are also a cover for the anger within your soul. 'Emotional blindness' is a dangerous condition that veils the truth from its owner. My intention in my signature is not the exclusion of others, but the adherence to truth and justice, even toward those who are unfair. Look at the words of Gandhi or the love poems in the Hinduism you admire, then look within yourself to see with the eye of insight: Is what you feel the truth, or merely a shackle preventing you from seeing the truth? This is the question?

In your previous post you mentioned me and mentioned a divine face. If Allah exists then there can be no divine face for every face would be divine for Allah would be all faces. Allah would be everything even the so called "ugly" faces.

It seems you are doing what you criticize me for doing and then showing me the "divine" face I should be seeing. Honoring anything would honor Allah and I think believers of both Christianity and Islam should be more religiously tolerant or tolerant to even those that do not want to follow a religion. I myself prefer to be agnostic.

You have not succeeded in getting people to like eastern values more in fact I think you have done the opposite. You have not changed tactics to allow for more dialogue between Eastern and Western philosophies. If your mission is that of a diplomat then a diplomat needs to show humility.

@Angelkesfarl I think you should rework your approach. I do not know you though so you are either someone to stubborn to change or know what you are doing. In either case I implore you to reconsider and to change your actions.

 

[AlfrunGrima]

Ohana and AlfrunGrima, you touched upon a profound point regarding 'Hinduism' and the 'Egregore.' As humans, we tend to personify unseen powers to understand them, and this is what created 'apparent multiplicity.' But let us reflect together as brothers: Is 'The Source' affected if people misdescribe it? 'Allah' is far beyond being a mere 'collective energy' (Egregore) distorted by human actions. He is 'The Constant' in a world of 'Variables.' What we see of blood in history is a 'distortion in the human mirror' and not in 'The Divine Face.'

Every human has the power to create. We co-create gods also every time we work with it, every time we worship and every time we communicate about or with a God. A God is never only purely the source, the observer and practitioner adds to the energy as well. It is like the observer in quantum mechanics. Every time, always. Allah has a lot of followers who are quite active in adding not the nicest information and energy to Allah. That is what it is, we have to recognize both the source ànd the co-creation and deal with it. It is there and we can't deny it. A theological discussion cannot change that. I am sorry, but gods are all to often vehicles of human emotions and thoughts, vessels of co-created energies and a mascot of fighting populations and followers. And this is why I keep magick and religion separate. The water of the spring can taste delicious, but if it is infected it is not good to take a drink anymore.

If you want that people talk and think more honest and fair about Allah, then the Muslim extremists should stop being aggressive. After that it takes one, two, three or more generations (we can't really predict that) before people are willing to see Allah with another focus that better suits the source that you describe. We are all human after all and there has been a lot of pain and trauma..... And no, I am not implying that you have direct power to stop extremists but if you want to change that culture, you have to do it from within.

 

[Mh4419]

A God is never only purely the source, the observer and practitioner adds to the energy as well.

Man, I Like This Part

 

[thepolestar]

Even now, Turkey is smuggling thousands of Al-Qaeda-linked Uzbek & Turk terrorists into Syria, training then to massacre Kurds, Alawites, Christians and Druze. Not only does @Angelkesfarl seem to ignore the crimes that Arabs and Turks committed to spread Islam, but he glorifies their work.

It's very gross to see Islam's crimes being whitewashed, while pre-Islamic cultures are being stolen/appropriated...and we're supposed to pretend that some Islamic fairy dust was sprinkled all over the Middle East, India and Africa until everyone woke up to Allah's angels singing "Hit Me Baby One More Time"