Why are abrahamic religions like Judaism, Christianity and Islam so hateful against polytheism?

[Faria]

Concerning those crazy Americans, what issue they could have with pagans?

Halloween and Christmas are both Christian holidays. Hundreds of millions of Christians celebrate both. I see no political will to end or suppress either.

Can you point to laws or policies in place that hinder belief in nature deities or a lack of belief in Jesus?

There are more people who hate the Dodgers than there are Christians hating Halloween. I see a lot of pagans constantly butthurt about what the Jesus mafia is doing to them, but I just don't see that in reality. A handful of psychotic church people going off about demonic media doesn't mean that there's a massive political effort against paganism. It's fake outrage that makes the pagans feel special, when really very few Christians care what you believe.

 

[Beyond Everything]

There is definitely a difference of opinion between them as regards sexuality and gender. But beyond that? Where are there proposed laws that suppress "paganism and polytheism" by Christians? Be specific.

Can pagans get an abortion in Texas anymore? As I said, everyone else gets oppressed when they get to institute their edicts. One can blithely ignore that I guess.

They make no secret, they don't want 'polytheists'-

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The laws specfically targeting pagans would come later.

 

[Faria]

Can pagans get an abortion in Texas anymore?

Texas has a ban on abortions except in cases where it would save the life of the mother.

Do you see abortion as an essentially pagan thing? I would expect that a majority of people wanting an abortion are Christians, as the majority share of the population.

Texas also prohibits prostitution, fighting, theft, and other things whose bad-ness are based on religious philosophy. Yes, abortion laws tend to be sponsored by Christians, but how is that an attack on paganism and polytheism?

 

[Morell]

Can you point to laws or policies in place that hinder belief in nature deities or a lack of belief in Jesus?

First commandment of 10 commandments.
Commandment 1: I am the Lord, your God, Who took you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall not have the gods of others in My presence.
Causes a lot of heat when that stuff is getting put in public spaces...

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[Faria]

First commandment of 10 commandments.

Ten Commandments monuments are the evangelical equivalent of a Pride flag. It doesnt really "do" anything to people who don't like it or what it represents. So, given a chance to explain exactly how the Christians are suppressing paganism, this is your top example? Is this it?

 

[Morell]

Ten Commandments monuments are the evangelical equivalent of a Pride flag. It doesnt really "do" anything to people who don't like it or what it represents. So, given a chance to explain exactly how the Christians are suppressing paganism, this is your top example? Is this it?

I really do not think that a sacred text like the ten can be compared to a pride flag.

But yeah, that's about it.

 

[Beyond Everything]

I already disproved your fact-free contention that it's only a 'handful of psychotic church people'. That video is taken from the largest 'conservative' organization for young people.

I never said abortion was an essentially pagan thing. I said -now for the third time- that christian laws oppress everyone.

 

[Faria]

I said -now for the third time- that christian laws oppress everyone.

So where are the pagan schools, hospitals, cemeteries, etc that basically every other religion has? Are you claiming that this apparent inability to get their shit together on a basic level is the fault of oppressive Jesus fans?

Without tea lites, sage bundles, and big-print illustrated paperbacks, modern paganism would not exist. The entire movement is founded on the contributions of Jews who abandoned Judaism. It is a commercial subculture and was never a real religion, a LARP disguised as a belief and ritual system.

 

[Beyond Everything]

So where are the pagan schools, hospitals, cemeteries, etc that basically every other religion has? Are you claiming that this apparent inability to get their shit together on a basic level is the fault of oppressive Jesus fans?

Yes, precisely. I guess crack open a history book.

Without tea lites, sage bundles, and big-print illustrated paperbacks, modern paganism would not exist. The entire movement is founded on the contributions of Jews who abandoned Judaism. It is a commercial subculture and was never a real religion, a LARP disguised as a belief and ritual system.

Neo-paganism's obvious faults have nothing to do with the fact of christianity as an oppressive system.

Most importantly, from an esoteric perspective, christianity (and the 2 others) are spider webs that inhibit the individual's liberation and ascension. Neo-paganism doesn't have the virulent egregores those others do.

 

[Faria]

Neo-paganism doesn't have the virulent egregores those others do.

Egregores = BS fictional concept unrelated to reality.

The "oppressive" Christian religion is endorsed by literally half the planet. It is the force behind some of the most cherished and significant works in almost every field for the last thousand years at least. Obviously it's not 100% kittens and sunbeams, but if you want to argue that it's inherently bad, you will need a much different kind of argument than what you've presented.

Just to make your point more clear, are you actually suggesting that the reason neopagans look more like a LARP Fandom than an actual religion with social infrastructure is the fault of oppressive Christians rather than the inability of pagans to establish those things?

 

[Beyond Everything]

Egregores = BS fictional concept unrelated to reality.

You could easily say that about any paranormal or metaphysical claim made on this site. If you don't know, you don't know.

The "oppressive" Christian religion is endorsed by literally half the planet. It is the force behind some of the most cherished and significant works in almost every field for the last thousand years at least.

How many fallacies can you fit in there?

Argument by majority. Argument that something isn't oppressive if people 'endorse' it. Argument that achievements were due to christianity, as opposed to being in Spite of christianity (the constitution is a good example of the latter).

 

[Faria]

Argument that achievements were due to christianity, as opposed to being in Spite of christianity

How many times have you heard someone "Thank God" when recounting an achievement vs. someone claiming to have achieved their goals despite oppressive religious fanatics? Obviously there is a range of opinions among the 4 billion + Christians out there, but on the whole they seem to credit their faith with inspiration toward good things. Yet you say they are oppressive. Somehow that didn't keep Sikhs, Buddhists, and other non-Abraham faiths from becoming established. So why is neopaganism the one big outlier that can barely keep a bookshop afloat? I suggest that the reason is not an oppressive Christian presence, but flaws inherent in neopaganiam.

Generally speaking, Christians don't even think of paganism or acknowledge its existence. But for pagans, Christianity is the big boogeyman stopping them from having respect as a religion. I think this is an error, and that the reasons have more to do with faults in neopaganism and its organizational structure than anything to do with Christian bias against them.

 

[FireBorn]

As an aspiring occultist, I want to know the political implications of it.

Here’s the problem with that question, it’s a slippery slope. When you think about it, 90% of Western occultism comes from the Abrahamic current. Flat, full stop. It is what it is.

There are plenty of Christians and Jews practicing magick, each with their own justifications, but those religions are monotheistic now, even if they didn’t start that way. Dont bother pointing out the hypocrisy.

Political implications? You can’t escape them. Not in the West. The entire framework whether you’re atheist, agnostic, or occultist, is still built on Abrahamic foundations.

“Good vs. evil”? Abrahamic.
“Marriage” as a moral institution? Abrahamic.
The U.S. and U.K. justice systems, their political structures, the moral language of our laws, all Abrahamic.

Even our so called secularism rests on Abrahamic scaffolding. That’s just fact. You can call yourself secular all day long, but your worldview’s bones are still monotheistic.

It is extremely hard to divorce yourself from the Abrahamic and re-write that framework. It has taken me a solid 5 years. Its so deeply ingrained in our culture. Even swearing has it 'Goddamn' 'Jesus fucking Christ' I mean its everywhere and we dont tend to notice until we do, then we cant NOT notice it.