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Why are mathematicians going crazy?

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Mathematics is a language that humans use to describe reality and the universe. But if the nature of reality is shocking in cosmic horror, the logical conclusion is that studying it can lead to madness. Here are some viable candidates for „scholars who looked into the abyss, and the abyss looked into them.”

Kurt Gödel (1906-1978) – Austrian-American mathematician, physicist and philosopher. He dealt with, among others, theory of relativity (which in itself negates the image of the world that „common sense” dictates to us), deriving from it equations intended to prove the possibility of time travel. Towards the end of his life he went crazy, among other things. believing someone was trying to poison him. When his wife was hospitalized for a long time and was unable to taste his meals to prove the lack of poison, Gödel starved himself to death.

Georg Cantor (1845-1918) – German mathematician, creator of set theory. Over time, he delved deeper into mysticism and claimed that mathematics could be used to reach conclusions about metaphysics. Some Christian (Cantor himself considered himself a devout Christian) philosophers of his time claimed that Cantor’s mathematical theories were contrary to religious dogmas (it was something about proving the existence of an infinite being, other than God – I am not a mathematician, I don’t really understand what is going on). Cantor was tormented by bouts of depression, sometimes so severe that they led to hospitalization.

Ludwig Boltzmann (1844-1906) – Austrian physicist, pioneer of the kinetic theory of gases. He theorized the “Boltzmann brain” – a hypothetical self-aware entity that emerges from chaos through random fluctuations. Boltzmann proposed that we and our observed low-entropy world arose from a random fluctuation in a higher-entropy universe. He committed suicide by hanging. „If our current level of organization, having many self-aware entities, is the result of random fluctuation, and it is much less likely to be so than a level of organization that produces only self-aware self-aware entities, then in any universe with the level of organization we see, there should be a huge number of solitary Boltzmann brains floating in unrecognized environments. In an infinite universe, the number of self-aware brains spontaneously, randomly emerging from chaos, along with false memories of life like ours, should far outweigh the number of real brains evolved in the observable universe, arising from unimaginably rare fluctuations”. Did I understand it? Not really, but it sounds quite Lovecraftian – self-aware beings emerging from chaos, our world as a result of random processes taking place in the „higher” universe… it’s easy to spin a cosmic horror out of it. And let's theorize that Boltzmann’s suicide was due to the terrifying conclusions he had reached…

Paul Ehrenfest (1880-1930) – Austrian-Dutch physicist. He researched the theory of relativity (which, as I mentioned, very often leads to „crazy” conclusions about the nature of reality) and laid the foundations for quantum physics (which is even crazier). Towards the end of his life, he fell into severe depression and shot first his son and then himself.

Grigory Perelman (1966) – the only still living member of this group, a Russian mathematician. He had a brilliant career in Russia and the USA. His greatest achievement was presenting evidence for the so-called Poincaré’s hypothesis regarding the shape of the universe. Unexpectedly, in 2005 he left his job and broke off all contacts with the scientific community… And not only that – he stopped leaving his apartment, communicating only by phone or through the door. He consistently rejects all job offers and awards (including the Millennium Award worth one million dollars!).
 

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Fascinating. Reminds me of instagram video, that speaks about similar topic.
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I don't agree entirely, but I think that the guy is somehow on the right track. Maybe this really is something like how Hastur works in the world... Cool topic.
 

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I believe this to be cherry-picking. Lots of mathematicians do not go mad. Lots of non-mathematicians get depressed and kill themselves. If it is the non-intuitive nature of science that drives people mad, then lots more physicists should have gone mad. Einstein wasn't mad, and he invented relativity. Heisenberg, Bohr, and Schroedinger weren't mad, and they basically created quantum mechanics. Max Planck wasn't happy about quantum physics, but he didn't shoot himself or anything.
 

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Fascinating. Reminds me of instagram video, that speaks about similar topic.
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I don't agree entirely, but I think that the guy is somehow on the right track. Maybe this really is something like how Hastur works in the world... Cool topic.
Thanks for sharing it!
 

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What is mathematics? Most people, non-mathematicians, think that it is some kind of calculation, at worst case with numbers. In my opinion, mathematics is primarily about revealing and describing the properties of some structure, whether abstract or existing in the physical world or nature. Unlike physics, the difference between the mental and the physical is blurred here, mathematics does not care.

In addition to logic, the most advanced mathematics also contains a component of intuition and a component of observation. It brings the intellect to the very limits of the possible, which can lead to an imbalance with the physical and emotional side of a person. A person does not go crazy from mathematics, but from this imbalance and intellectual strain. It is also a matter of ego. Will I be able to solve a difficult mathematical problem that no one in the world has ever solved?

Sooner or later, a mathematician begins to ask where the boundaries of mathematics are and where something else begins... For example, the magic :) It is, in my opinion, much easier to go crazy from magic. And in both cases, if it does not work, or if it works, but possibly a little differently than intended. Mathematics is better in that it always works as it should, but its value, in my opinion, is primarily in that it cultivates the mind and prepares the adept for very unusual, abstract things that become common in his mind. But because mathematics does not work with emotions, neither the cosmic abyss nor the darkness scares the mathematician's mind too much. Is it strange? So what? I'm used to it, mathematics is the realm of the strange.

On the contrary, it weakens the psychic censor and refers him to the appropriate places (and yes, this can also lead to madness). Mathematics does this in various ways, but for example by changing the meaning of the concept of existence. Mathematical concepts have real power and meaning, even though we do not find them directly in the physical world. Yet they interact strongly and unquestionably with the physical world, manifesting themselves in it as principles. When we realize this, it is easy to ask ourselves whether this is not the case elsewhere, in other circumstances. And we can then try to find similar principles in the structure of what exists, beyond the boundaries of mathematics, logic and the physical world.
 

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What is mathematics? Most people, non-mathematicians, think that it is some kind of calculation, at worst with numbers. In my opinion, mathematics is primarily about revealing and describing the properties of some structure, whether abstract or existing in the physical world or nature. Unlike physics, the difference between the mental and the physical is blurred here, mathematics does not care.

In addition to logic, the most advanced mathematics also contains a component of intuition and a component of observation. It brings the intellect to the very limits of the possible, which can lead to an imbalance with the physical and emotional side of a person. A person does not go crazy from mathematics, but from this imbalance and intellectual strain. It is also a matter of ego. Will I be able to solve a difficult mathematical problem that no one in the world has ever solved?

Sooner or later, a mathematician begins to ask where the boundaries of mathematics are and where something else begins... For example, the magic :) It is, in my opinion, much easier to go crazy from magic. And in both cases, if it does not work, or if it works, but possibly a little differently than intended. Mathematics is better in that it always works as it should, but its value, in my opinion, is primarily in that it cultivates the mind and prepares the adept for very unusual, abstract things that become common in his mind. But because mathematics does not work with emotions, neither the cosmic abyss nor the darkness scares the mathematician's mind too much. Is it strange? So what? I'm used to it, mathematics is the realm of the strange.

On the contrary, it weakens the psychic censor and refers him to the appropriate places (and yes, this can also lead to madness). Mathematics does this in various ways, but for example by changing the meaning of the concept of existence. Mathematical concepts have real power and meaning, even though we do not find them directly in the physical world. Yet they interact strongly and unquestionably with the physical world, manifesting themselves in it as principles. When we realize this, it is easy to ask ourselves whether this is not the case elsewhere, in other circumstances. And we can then try to find similar principles in the structure of what exists, beyond the boundaries of mathematics, logic and the physical world.
This makes me think about ancient Greece philosophy, they were really into math as well and some turned insane too.
 

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This makes me think about ancient Greece philosophy, they were really into math as well and some turned insane too.
I think that - with all due respect to the Greek philosophers - they did not go too deep into mathematics. The word "some" is important in your remark. Some, perhaps many, also "not".

I don't think there's a general causal connection between math and madness. But in high school, we had an excellent math teacher. She, for fun, would prove to us the theorem: "When I study math, I go crazy." In college, I had a classmate who went crazy from the subject "Mechanics and Molecular Physics." Simply from the intellectual strain, because the subject was very difficult. At least for him.
 

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I think that - with all due respect to the Greek philosophers - they did not go too deep into mathematics. The word "some" is important in your remark. Some, perhaps many, also "not".

I don't think there's a general causal connection between math and madness. But in high school, we had an excellent math teacher. She, for fun, would prove to us the theorem: "When I study math, I go crazy." In college, I had a classmate who went crazy from the subject "Mechanics and Molecular Physics." Simply from the intellectual strain, because the subject was very difficult. At least for him.
You're right. I agree that ancient Greeks didn't delve that deep into math. Though they were wondering how it connects to life and spirituality, which was interesting. But I agree that they weren't going mad from that alone. And it wasn't common for them to go mad.

I don't really know what makes people go mad. I assume it is conflict of two things that the mind is impossible to get over or solve. Besides, stupid people can be driven mad too. I remember a case of... proper word is probably disabled, JW woman who was having somehow simpler mind and had a baby. Then she was having those two truths: her community was cheering her baby and her, teaching her that the baby is child of god, or how it was told... but also their teaching was telling her that her child is enemy of god. Ended with her murdering the baby. She broke mad.
 

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You're right. I agree that ancient Greeks didn't delve that deep into math. Though they were wondering how it connects to life and spirituality, which was interesting. But I agree that they weren't going mad from that alone. And it wasn't common for them to go mad.

I don't really know what makes people go mad. I assume it is conflict of two things that the mind is impossible to get over or solve. Besides, stupid people can be driven mad too. I remember a case of... proper word is probably disabled, JW woman who was having somehow simpler mind and had a baby. Then she was having those two truths: her community was cheering her baby and her, teaching her that the baby is child of god, or how it was told... but also their teaching was telling her that her child is enemy of god. Ended with her murdering the baby. She broke mad.
So this is a sad story. It makes me think that some communities can be very dangerous, especially for people who are emotionally unstable. I also think that it is necessary to develop all aspects of the personality. To keep your "energies" in balance. So that emotions do not become a weakness. Qigong, Tai-chi, Yoga,... can help.
 
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