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In traditional Christianity: a demon is a fallen, malevolent spirit linked to the devil.
In Western occultism: a demon can be a spiritual or archetypal entity with knowledge, power, or abilities. Not necessarily “evil,” but potentially dangerous if mishandled.
In psychology: demons can symbolize the shadow side of the psyche—hidden desires, fears, or repressed emotions.
In some esoteric traditions, people engage with demons to:
Gain knowledge or abilities through ceremonial or evocative magic.
Test limits or pursue personal transformation.
Symbolically confront their inner shadow.
Caution: Even if one doesn’t believe in objective evil, these practices can bring fear, obsession, or psychological challenges if not approached carefully.
So the real question is: why would anyone choose to make a pact with a demon?
I’d love to hear your experiences or perspectives—how do you approach working with demons, if at all?
There are bad things in the world that prevent people from getting what they deserve out of life. Some of the unpleasantness of life comes from making bad decisions, but most of it comes from the bad decisions of other people who have been dead for ages. Unfortunately, most of the bad things that make life suck are also the things that the world depends upon for survival. Communication demands deceit, prosperity demands exploitation, security demands violence, and so on. This is the way of the world, a natural condition that is more than just chemistry and physics, so that our whole world is filled with the consequences of decisions.
Making a deal with a demon, the whole Demon Summoning business, is really about deciding how much of those consequences will affect you. Maybe you want to have more or less of it. Classic example is the Robert Johnson story: the young man who goes to the crossroads and the devil teaches him how to play the guitar in a unique way, spawning generations of music inspired by lust and rebellion. The protagonist in the tale is a person deprived of a future, hopeless through no fault of his own, who overturns his fate and escapes his previous situation. This is the substance of the Pact With Demons, a revolutionary twist of fortune that mitigates some current lack or oppression, whether for love or money or some other unattainable goal.
I guess it depends on your frame to begin with. I don’t do pacts. I do relationships. Pacts are contracts, my path is a current not a business.
To me, demons aren’t ATM machines or some infernal Santa Claus archetypes. And I don’t see them as evil, that lens feels a bit too Abrahamic, too small for what I’ve encountered. I’m not saying my way is right or better, just different. But it works very well for me.
I walk with demons. Not below them. Not behind them. I don’t bow. I don’t kneel, not to deity, demon, or angel.
Sovereignty is central to my path, and in my experience, spirits resonate with that. Your mileage may vary and that is expected. The only real danger I’ve ever faced with demons has been to my ego and my framework and yeah, both have been shattered and stretched more than a few times. At least it isn't boring.
Some people reduce demons to archetypes, or symbols of the psyche. If that’s what blows your skirt up, cool. But I’ve felt the air shift. I’ve experienced the pressure in the room. That Otherness that is felt in the body. To me, it’s very fucking real.
I don’t need others to believe my experiences. They aren't for mass consumption.
Another member here (@MorganBlack ) called it UPG: Unverified Personal Gnosis. I like that.
I connect with them and see what we can offer each other, just like I work with other spirits or entities. I always did such things. No demon ever asked me to make a pact. Being connected and making the exchange of informatie always seemed to be enough.
Also, "pact" may have become an obsolete word. If a chaos magician orgasms on a sigil that's really the same as signing and paying a contract. If a witch offers some wine or cake, that's basically the same. If someone makes a verbal agreement, that's also binding. The meaning of the word has changed in my opinion.
I did make some short pacts by the way. One of three months for example where I gave a drop op blood every week in exchange for spells.
Why make a pact with a Demon?... Have you ever tried making a pact with an angel? Yikes talk about testy.
But no in all seriousness, demon comes from the Greek "Daemon/Daimon" that simply means spirit, We are in essence using archetypes of our psyche that exist in the zeitgeist. When using "Demons" you are more working wit a shadow aspect where as Angel is more of a Light aspect, and usually people need to work more on the Shadow aspects so it makes sense they'd be subconsciously drawn to working with the Archetypical "Demon" rather than "Angel" although they both fall under the premise of Spirit, a lot of western bias is tied up to occult and esoteric concepts which is an extremely naive and narrow view of the broader reality.
There are bad things in the world that prevent people from getting what they deserve out of life. Some of the unpleasantness of life comes from making bad decisions, but most of it comes from the bad decisions of other people who have been dead for ages. Unfortunately, most of the bad things that make life suck are also the things that the world depends upon for survival. Communication demands deceit, prosperity demands exploitation, security demands violence, and so on. This is the way of the world, a natural condition that is more than just chemistry and physics, so that our whole world is filled with the consequences of decisions.
Making a deal with a demon, the whole Demon Summoning business, is really about deciding how much of those consequences will affect you. Maybe you want to have more or less of it. Classic example is the Robert Johnson story: the young man who goes to the crossroads and the devil teaches him how to play the guitar in a unique way, spawning generations of music inspired by lust and rebellion. The protagonist in the tale is a person deprived of a future, hopeless through no fault of his own, who overturns his fate and escapes his previous situation. This is the substance of the Pact With Demons, a revolutionary twist of fortune that mitigates some current lack or oppression, whether for love or money or some other unattainable goal.
What you’re describing resonates strongly with the idea of the pact as a response to structural injustice rather than simple greed or moral corruption.
Seen this way, the demon is not merely an external “evil,” but a symbol of forces that already govern the world—violence, exploitation, desire, rebellion—forces that society depends on but prefers not to acknowledge consciously.
The crossroads myth is especially telling: the pact emerges when conventional paths are closed, when the individual has no future within the existing order. In that sense, demon pacts function as a radical intervention in fate, a way of renegotiating one’s position in a hostile system.
This aligns well with both occult and psychological interpretations: engaging the demon means confronting power that is taboo, dangerous, and transformative. The risk is real—not because the force is inherently evil, but because it bypasses socially and psychologically “safe” routes.
From my perspective, this reinforces the need for awareness and preparation: without them, the same force that liberates can easily overwhelm.
I guess it depends on your frame to begin with. I don’t do pacts. I do relationships. Pacts are contracts, my path is a current not a business.
To me, demons aren’t ATM machines or some infernal Santa Claus archetypes. And I don’t see them as evil, that lens feels a bit too Abrahamic, too small for what I’ve encountered. I’m not saying my way is right or better, just different. But it works very well for me.
I walk with demons. Not below them. Not behind them. I don’t bow. I don’t kneel, not to deity, demon, or angel.
Sovereignty is central to my path, and in my experience, spirits resonate with that. Your mileage may vary and that is expected. The only real danger I’ve ever faced with demons has been to my ego and my framework and yeah, both have been shattered and stretched more than a few times. At least it isn't boring.
Some people reduce demons to archetypes, or symbols of the psyche. If that’s what blows your skirt up, cool. But I’ve felt the air shift. I’ve experienced the pressure in the room. That Otherness that is felt in the body. To me, it’s very fucking real.
I don’t need others to believe my experiences. They aren't for mass consumption.
Another member here (@MorganBlack ) called it UPG: Unverified Personal Gnosis. I like that.
If you’re comfortable sharing at a high level (no techniques or specifics), I’m curious about how contact tends to happen for you.
When you say you “walk with demons,” do you mean through ongoing presence, altered states, intuitive dialogue, or moments that arise organically rather than formal evocation? Even a general example of how contact is first established would help clarify how you frame that relationship.
This makes me wonder: in your experience, is contact always based on some form of exchange?
Even outside formal pacts, do you see reciprocity as inherent to any interaction with an entity, or can contact exist without a clear “giving and receiving” dynamic?
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At higher, more subtle planes of consciousness, pacts are unnecessary. They exist primarily on denser or lower planes, where exchange and negotiation are required. At an evolutionary or direct connection to the Source, the concept of giving and receiving is transcended. Relationship with spirit or entities at that level is complete and fluid, no contracts or obligations needed — connection itself is enough.
What you’re describing resonates strongly with the idea of the pact as a response to structural injustice rather than simple greed or moral corruption.
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I don’t use artificial intelligence to write my posts. I’m here to find study partners, people to exchange ideas with, and why not, maybe someone to experiment with… perhaps future friends? I’m interested in many things, including quantum physics and neuroscience… but the spiritual aspect is often missing, and I hope to find it here. I also hope that my future posts will be more interesting to analyze from different perspectives. I hope my answer has been thorough enough.
In traditional Christianity: a demon is a fallen, malevolent spirit linked to the devil.
In Western occultism: a demon can be a spiritual or archetypal entity with knowledge, power, or abilities. Not necessarily “evil,” but potentially dangerous if mishandled.
In psychology: demons can symbolize the shadow side of the psyche—hidden desires, fears, or repressed emotions.
In some esoteric traditions, people engage with demons to:
Gain knowledge or abilities through ceremonial or evocative magic.
Test limits or pursue personal transformation.
Symbolically confront their inner shadow.
Caution: Even if one doesn’t believe in objective evil, these practices can bring fear, obsession, or psychological challenges if not approached carefully.
So the real question is: why would anyone choose to make a pact with a demon?
I’d love to hear your experiences or perspectives—how do you approach working with demons, if at all?
That is rather weird decryption, honestly. Not really a good one.
What is a demon? A spirit of angelic kind, that is working with physical world and with what is considered lower aspects of humanity like sexuality, money, desires, power, etc.
What is not demon? Nature spirits, occult servitors, animal spirits, pagan gods and other spirits are falsely claimed to be demons by certain Abrahamic people.
Demons are used for many purposes: occult attack, gaining material gains, shadow work, as spiritual ally, protector, etc.
Are they dangerous? There is no significant difference from other kinds of spirits.
If you’re comfortable sharing at a high level (no techniques or specifics), I’m curious about how contact tends to happen for you.
When you say you “walk with demons,” do you mean through ongoing presence, altered states, intuitive dialogue, or moments that arise organically rather than formal evocation? Even a general example of how contact is first established would help clarify how you frame that relationship.
Sure. I will try to distill it as best I can. I will assume you can do ritual, and get into a magickal trance state.
I call the demon, go into magickal trance state and encounter. When I say I walk with them, I develop a relationship with them. They teach and I burn. I ask them to teach, sometimes I ask to learn a specific thing. Ongoing presence to me means they stick around until the lesson is learned, or its time for another teacher to come forward. They are not with me 24/7, im not that important. But close, and they show up when I call easily. They teach via trance state lessons, sometimes intuitive dialog, and every once in a great while moments they induce. The only formal evocation I do is the first one.
I dont require a full battle regalia style ritual to get into magickal trance state (that's what rituals are for). I love rituals and sometimes I will use a ritual just to meet the spirit the first time, its respectful to myself and the spirit. Relationship is what I am after.
Regarding relationship; Everyone does it differently. For me, each relationship is different. Lilith for example, she is my Matron. I am closest with her, I can be my irreverent unfiltered self with her. Astaroth, by contrast, is all precision. No small talk, no nonsense. He teaches, I listen. I got cocky once and paid a heavy price for it. He demands respect. That’s not fear, it’s relational awareness.
It’s like human relationships. They need to know you. You need to know them, how they move, how they feel, how they communicate, and if your current aligns. I dont resonate with all demons, but if our currents align, it flows naturally when I show up with fire and authenticity.
I dont do warding and throw talismans and shit all over the house, that's disrespectful. I trust. That's a key point. If you fear demons, this probably isn't your path. No shame, just truth.
You can read about someone else’s filtered experience forever, or you can go to the source yourself and live it. That’s the choice nobody in the occult talks about, probably because most don’t know they have it.
Hope that helps (I am currently running on 27 hours no sleep, I did my best. If I shit the bed here, I will try again later lol)
