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Why would anyone make a pact with a demon?

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First, let’s clarify: what is a demon?

  • In traditional Christianity: a demon is a fallen, malevolent spirit linked to the devil.
  • In Western occultism: a demon can be a spiritual or archetypal entity with knowledge, power, or abilities. Not necessarily “evil,” but potentially dangerous if mishandled.
  • In psychology: demons can symbolize the shadow side of the psyche—hidden desires, fears, or repressed emotions.

In some esoteric traditions, people engage with demons to:

  • Gain knowledge or abilities through ceremonial or evocative magic.
  • Test limits or pursue personal transformation.
  • Symbolically confront their inner shadow.

Caution: Even if one doesn’t believe in objective evil, these practices can bring fear, obsession, or psychological challenges if not approached carefully.

So the real question is: why would anyone choose to make a pact with a demon?

I’d love to hear your experiences or perspectives—how do you approach working with demons, if at all?
 

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What is a demon?
I’m aligned with what FireBorn said, and that is people often reduce demons to archetypes. In practice, “demon” is an umbrella label that gets applied to a wide range of beings, really anything perceived as dark or evil, spirits people don’t understand or can’t identify, and sometimes even entities people are simply afraid of, etc. Because it’s used so broadly, you’re always going to see different definitions depending on who’s speaking and what framework they’re using.

Why would anyone choose to make a pact with a demon?
Out of desperation, and I said that for people who don’t work with demons and don’t really understand them. Some will jump in believing demons will automatically grant their deepest desires, and in that mindset they may even ask someone else to make a pact or deal on their behalf.

In contrast, people who already work with demons typically don’t make pacts. For many, it looks more like an exchange based relationship, or sometimes a relationship where no exchange is required at all. And because these connections are personal, I’m not going to try to list what they should look like. I’d say at least almost all don’t make patcts, because they believe it’s something scary and shouldn’t be made with a demon.

Agreements vs. contracts vs. pacts
What gets lost in these discussions is that working with any spirit usually involves an agreement, even if it’s never spoken out loud. There’s often an unspoken understanding to be civilized with each other and to define what the work involves, on your side and on theirs. A lot of people don’t realize it, but spirits can treat that as a kind of nonverbal agreement in principle.

I have worked with contracts (not the nonverbal agreements we all doing without knowing) and they’re cool. They don’t gain anything from me in case you wonder, not even blood sacrifice or any sacrifice either. That said, contracts are simply more explicit and more serious, and both parties agree to clear terms. Whether you need one depends on the kind of work you’re doing. In my experience, most practitioners don’t need contracts at all, which is why people sometimes assume contracts are automatically “bad,” or that only the demon benefits, when that isn’t true. People might call it “transactional,” but that’s not really accurate. It’s something that goes beyond what your existing relationship or connection already provides, and it’s something both parties have to explicitly agree to.

Pacts are a different category, and they’re typically more serious than contracts. If you’ve never worked with or even encountered a spiritual contract in any way, then a pact probably isn’t necessary for what you’re doing. A pact can be a very positive thing for you, but I’d urge real caution if you don’t know what you’re doing. Because details can be obscured, and you may not catch what you’re agreeing to. That isn’t something I’ve personally run into, but it’s still worth saying as a general warning in case someone reaches the point where a contract is being offered or discussed.

Most of what I see in practice is simply us practitioners who enter nonverbal agreements and individualized relationships, and the word “pacts” and “contracts” are being overused too much with different concepts, and mixed up.
 

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Maybe you are the demon in the example and they are the magician. Who is to know?

Stunning! Brilliant! Call me delighted and gobsmacked, Lucien6493.

Who is summoning whom? The directions are often not as clear as we assume.

The nature of the relationship brings forth the forms and words. We strive to sit in our own right relation to The Other. While that is something one can only find on one's own, I take great issue with those that think Goetia means colonizing The Other with versions of themselves. I prefer to leave the daimons in all their dreadful and terrifying beauty while we parlay.

While it is a time commitment, I find much in sympathy with Frater Archer's recent thoughts on the Black Sea of Otherness, which echos much here:

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Thats a great question. I think mental instability is a huge reason. This is also unfortunate because if the person is actually successful at contacting the demon world; the voices will try and take advantage of this.
You arent mentally unstable if you are interested in demonaltry. But ive noticed people who are mentally unstable are attracted to demonaltry in more uncommon numbers than say Law of Attraction or something superficial such as cottage witchcraft.
There is also those who havent let go of christian dogma yet and still see the world in a black and white , angel/devil, heaven/hell type perspective. Thats probably the biggest contributing factor. Take old christian dogma, combine it with mental instability and poof - you're trying to summon a demon at 3 am to deal with your lifes problems.

I'm not saying it doesnt work. But there are usually better ways of solving your problems than going to your unscrupulous back alley bully to see what they can do for you at 3 am.
I don't like generalizing and saying that mentally unstable people will summon demons. One because that takes away agency that person has to completely blame it on mental instability and not having actual reasons too.

Two because if demons are demonized and lets face it. Its in the name that happens then this generalization can also demonize people with mental health issues leading to societal alienation. Leading to less treatment and help for people that need and want it.

And three because I don't like this reasoning and prefer to listen to music and vibe.
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Who is summoning whom? The directions are often not as clear as we assume.
On subconscious level we pick up a lot more than often imagined. If we respond to it, it is quite possible that it was the demon who was calling the human. It is even possible that it was quite equal between the two. I try to remember myself every now and then that I am just a spirit with a human body.
 

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I just want to interject here, that only in Christianity is a Demon a fallen angel.

In Judaism, angels cannot fall, because they have no free will. There are such things as demons, but in the Mystical traditions.
You will see references to such in popular culture, Jewish demons. These are cross-culture additions, not native belief.

In Islam, angels also cannot fall, all demons are fallen Jinn, even the Shaitan.

Hope that helps offer some clarity. So no, I don't believe in Xian demons, so no need consider pacts.
 

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what we call spirits are part of the human biome and therefore within an ever fluid network of reciprocal relationships that has no clear boundaries.
I think that percieved boundaries in most cases are man-made boundaries. And indeed, spirits are in a organically part of our spiritually human bilspieren. There is a natural interaction ever going because we are spirits too, but catched in a human body. I have in mind in the web of a spider, the witch/magician in the middle, connected with all kinds of silver threads of the work, the threads are always resonating a little bit from both sides of the thread and from the connections there are vibrations too, there are relationships everywhere and every now and then there are made new threads by the witches or magician which provides all kinds of new connections thread-wise but spirit-wise too.
 

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only in Christianity is a Demon a fallen angel.
Right, exactly. And thank goodness!

The grims transmit earlier shamanic culture but using the language of later theological frameworks as a recognizable Star Trek hailing frequency. So maintaining some of the demonic imagery and myth is still very useful. What are you going to change it to without totally declawing them?

The myths are there for us to get a handle on very Other worlds. What the "place" in the universe we call the Underworld / Tartarus / Hell / The Abyss "really really is" - who knows? But many will be happy to sell you a book explaining down to 5.2 micrometers what exactly it is in your preferred religion. The point being the religious stories are there to help you get a handle on them and ritualize myth to interact with them.

The Lesser Key in particular does magicians a disservice by presenting the daimons as D&D Monster Manual in completely systematized and "final" personalities. I feel it 'locks them down' far too much and forces roles that are overly prescriptive.

I come from the games industry. Does anyone here play MMORPGs like WoW? It's more useful here to look at this process , as what magicians do - rather much more akin to Orpheus charming the beings in Hades - and in practice is more like making a temporary dream vehicle - to ferry and give temporary avatars to what are really 5D non-human intelligences - so they can interact on a local RPG server in our living room. These are games built using the very ritual protocols that they understand, and often that they themselves gave magicians to use over at least two thousand years, possibly many many more - using the stories and narratives that our v.2.0 UI/UX servers use to entice other non-human players to join.

Once they leave the server of our ritual space, exit the 3D dream automobile, take off the Avatar skin they're wearing for our benefit, and re-enter their "true forms" in ineffable 5D space we can barely understand. Which is why I think they like to show up as eldritch Lovecraftian horrors beyond human comprehension (LOL) when they hang at my place. It's a sly joke and a wink they're making.

In my view, what they "really are" are manifestations and lower emanations of the ancient primordial Time God - the Demiurge - the original Creator God that created all later creator gods and daimons. We can see some early (to us) manifestations of Him ten around thousand years ago at a Neolithic Star Temple. But that is another topic.
 
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