[Opinion] Wings

[Ziran]

Unconsciously maybe. That's possible. Though the experiment with lucid dreaming I was doing when I found about my own wings happened 9. 10. 2023, found the date thanks to Discord. But back then I had no idea, I debated one friend afterwards about it, and after that... well, here.

If the soul, in contrast to the body, is not limited to a specific time and place, then, there is no before and there is no after for it.

But back then I had no idea

... and yet the soul already knew.

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Took me a minute to get this why itd be associated with wings. Then I realized validation makes you feel like you soar. It lifts your spirits.

it's good medicine if it's true

psalm 145:18, key word: "All"

 

[voidcat]

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it's good medicine if it's true

I edited the comment. I meant flying as in I was lost in the music dancing. Dancing i can see why some occult practices included it historically. It definitely lifts up your spirits. But yes validation can be good medicine if true. If it's not true however it can make things messy. I think that's what you mean?

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psalm 145:18, key word: "All

I like that verse. Answers a question a prayer if you will that I had towards the Peaceful One the other day(what I call the abrahamic god).

 

[Ziran]

I think that's what you mean?

Sorry, I wasn't clear. This is what I mean.

The wings, and the soaring, could mean different things for different people each within their own set of circumstances... one way to understand it presumes the existence of an individual soul which developes wings and soars in ecstasy. If so, the wings and the soaring occur in a realm beyond the material, a version of "heaven".

psalm 145:18, key word: "All"

Yes, it's common sense, to a degree, that things get messy anytime honesty is jeopardy, but, more than that, here's a literal word for word translation, from King David's poetry:

"Close, The-Eternal-One, to-all who-are-calling...
...to-all who-are-calling-out in-truth"

Assuming it's true, and King David had unique insight into the divine, then his advice would be to call out in absolute truth, which in turn brings The-Eternal-One "close", and heaven comes along with it.

 

[Morell]

If the soul, in contrast to the body, is not limited to a specific time and place, then, there is no before and there is no after for it.

Great point. I didn't take into account the concept of non-linear time. Won't deny, it is still mostly beyond my understanding, to be honest. I can imagine some of it, but no idea if I imagine it at least partially right.

Though honestly no idea how it can matter in this case.

 

[Ziran]

psalm 145:18, key word: "All"

The key word ... all.

I like that verse.

... no one, nothing, is excluded, regardless of race, origin, or creed. Their status: sinner, saint, or anything in-between, is completely disregarded in the merit and power of truely spoken words.

 

[Evara]

From what I know about veil and reincarnation...

Wings are often how the mind translate a conduit or connection to a sacred source. It's threaded into the souls.
Can someone incarnate have wings?
Yes, but they would have to be from a pantheon that has wings as part of their myth.
They would also have to regain trust by the veil in their current incarnation.
The veil doesn't just reinstate old privilege's. You would have to earn them again (albeit, on the express route).

The same is true for any other soul constructs that may be attached to you.


So yes, souls can have wings.
But it's extremely rare and most people that can feel their wings... probably still can't use them in the veil.

 

[Morell]

From what I know about veil and reincarnation...

Wings are often how the mind translate a conduit or connection to a sacred source. It's threaded into the souls.
Can someone incarnate have wings?
Yes, but they would have to be from a pantheon that has wings as part of their myth.
They would also have to regain trust by the veil in their current incarnation.
The veil doesn't just reinstate old privilege's. You would have to earn them again (albeit, on the express route).

The same is true for any other soul constructs that may be attached to you.


So yes, souls can have wings.
But it's extremely rare and most people that can feel their wings... probably still can't use them in the veil.

Nowadays I would almost say that winged beings can be considered universal.

But you get really interesting theory there with conduit or connection. What do you mean by regaining trust by the veil? Can you elaborate that?

 

[Evara]

Nowadays I would almost say that winged beings can be considered universal.

But you get really interesting theory there with conduit or connection. What do you mean by regaining trust by the veil? Can you elaborate that?

That's because the veil has a habit of taking good ideas and spreading them far and wide.
Wings have become more and more common not because they look good in art.
But because they are very functional and easily identifiable. And the veil loves its symbolism....

"Can you elaborate that?"
The veil doesn't offer every soul the same level of access.
Nor does that soul get the same level of access every time.
This is for many reasons. Chief among the... to protect against abuse.
When a soul has deeper access to the veil, they can leave their mark on the currents.
Which means... they can also damage or manipulate them.
Back in the ancient world, when logos was still young, it obeyed the commands of those who framed more thoroughly.
This is why ancient curses hit so much harder... True curses... is forcing a soul to be tied into currents not of their choosing...
And usually those currents are not kind...

So yes, the veil does not just universally allow everyone in. It will let most people touch the outside.
It will let some people gaze in. It will almost always give to people what they need...
But it doesn't let most people walk in and interact with the architecture or maintain lucid interactions.
There's also a lot of memory wiping that is used. The Abrahamic pantheon in particular can be very bad about memory wiping...

Every soul can get deeper access... and it's often about alignment.
The veil does not respect ego. If you are a soul that will most likely start a cult and try to be its glorious and informed leader...
Then the veil is going to avoid you. There's already enough souls that desire a crown and worship.
The veil honors those who wish to heal it... who does not want to be a master and seeks companionship without diminishing.
It does not respect those who seek just because they're learning or want to know knowledge.
It usually gives those people breadcrumbs. Just enough to taste something while still remaining hungry.

 

[Morell]

That's because the veil has a habit of taking good ideas and spreading them far and wide.
Wings have become more and more common not because they look good in art.
But because they are very functional and easily identifiable. And the veil loves its symbolism....

"Can you elaborate that?"
The veil doesn't offer every soul the same level of access.
Nor does that soul get the same level of access every time.
This is for many reasons. Chief among the... to protect against abuse.
When a soul has deeper access to the veil, they can leave their mark on the currents.
Which means... they can also damage or manipulate them.
Back in the ancient world, when logos was still young, it obeyed the commands of those who framed more thoroughly.
This is why ancient curses hit so much harder... True curses... is forcing a soul to be tied into currents not of their choosing...
And usually those currents are not kind...

So yes, the veil does not just universally allow everyone in. It will let most people touch the outside.
It will let some people gaze in. It will almost always give to people what they need...
But it doesn't let most people walk in and interact with the architecture or maintain lucid interactions.
There's also a lot of memory wiping that is used. The Abrahamic pantheon in particular can be very bad about memory wiping...

Every soul can get deeper access... and it's often about alignment.
The veil does not respect ego. If you are a soul that will most likely start a cult and try to be its glorious and informed leader...
Then the veil is going to avoid you. There's already enough souls that desire a crown and worship.
The veil honors those who wish to heal it... who does not want to be a master and seeks companionship without diminishing.
It does not respect those who seek just because they're learning or want to know knowledge.
It usually gives those people breadcrumbs. Just enough to taste something while still remaining hungry.

Wow, this is impressive and it does make sense. So Veil is semi-conscious, at least. seems to have well developed survival instinct and programing.

Hehe, yeah, wings are both beautiful and useful for sure.

 

[Evara]

Yes the bloody veil is "semi" conscious! It's literally constructed out of soul threads!
And it only developed those survival instincts after being abused. The veil is still evolving...
The human species had what what the veil truly needed... awareness that can perceive it.
Which meant... it finally had hands that could help shape it.
Its just... not all hands desires prosperity and harmony. Many hands desired authority and dominion...

This is one of the reasons why it has gotten so quiet. To many people desire to wield it.
To few desire to nurture and tend it.

Seriously though, if anyone wants to get closer to the veil...
Go try and help lost wandering spirits. Go sit with the confused fragments and give them space while expecting nothing in return.
Go do psychopomp work and do little rituals for the forgotten spirits. That's how you earn the veil's respect.
But only do it if your heart is in it. The veil wont respect you if you're just looking to earn favor.

And of course... kill everything that wants to devour soul threads.
One of my favorite ways of killing demons is by locking them into a shattered obsidian mirror prison. Such a fun curse.
It dissolves their souls while forcing them to stare into a kaleidoscope of themselves withering away and screaming.
I always take it as a good sign if I hear demons scream when I get near them. lol

 

[Morell]

This is one of the reasons why it has gotten so quiet. To many people desire to wield it.
To few desire to nurture and tend it.

Pretty lost case. I do not think that humanity's nature will change to be truly more kind anytime soon.

And of course... kill everything that wants to devour soul threads.
One of my favorite ways of killing demons is by locking them into a shattered obsidian mirror prison. Such a fun curse.
It dissolves their souls while forcing them to stare into a kaleidoscope of themselves withering away and screaming.
I always take it as a good sign if I hear demons scream when I get near them. lol

You torture them to death... I would not. Just like with animals I kill for food. Kill fast, if you have to kill. I destroy spirits by draining their energy vampiric way. So far it was always very fast way. Then I was just destroying the corpse so it couldn't resurrect with new energy.

 

[Evara]

Pretty lost case. I do not think that humanity's nature will change to be truly more kind anytime soon.


You torture them to death... I would not. Just like with animals I kill for food. Kill fast, if you have to kill. I destroy spirits by draining their energy vampiric way. So far it was always very fast way. Then I was just destroying the corpse so it couldn't resurrect with new energy.

Yeah... which is why developing a more sophisticated immune system is probably going to be the route that evolution takes.

Yes... I do torture the devourers into oblivion. I don't always... sometimes I burn them clean...
But a clean demise is not guaranteed. It's an incentive not to bother me or any spirit that I know.
Demons being terrified to come near the psychotic witch or anyone that she knows is its own form of defense.
And curse jars almost always kill in this grizzly fashion.

When you drain them... are you consuming them or using their soul or are you just unspooling their soul threads into the veil?

 

[Morell]

Yeah... which is why developing a more sophisticated immune system is probably going to be the route that evolution takes.

Yes... I do torture the devourers into oblivion. I don't always... sometimes I burn them clean...
But a clean demise is not guaranteed. It's an incentive not to bother me or any spirit that I know.
Demons being terrified to come near the psychotic witch or anyone that she knows is its own form of defense.
And curse jars almost always kill in this grizzly fashion.

When you drain them... are you consuming them or using their soul or are you just unspooling their soul threads into the veil?

I did it once. I drained the energy till it became dry, the Poltergeist then turned into bones that I burned to dust and let to be blown away by the wind.

 

[Ziran]

Though honestly no idea how it can matter in this case.

it's just another way to understand the phenomena. Whether or not it matters, I suppose, is a function of what resonates with an individual's personal experiences.

 

[Morell]

it's just another way to understand the phenomena. Whether or not it matters, I suppose, is a function of what resonates with an individual's personal experiences.

Well, I think that it could matter.

The concept it suggest is: you don't have wings, then suddenly you grow wings... and then you find that you always had wings.

That raises question, why didn't you have wings for a time.

 

[Ziran]

why didn't you have wings for a time

I describe it this way: it's the discovery, or realization, of another "realm"

In particular: there's a realm which includes wings, and there's another realm which excludes wings. Both realms are super-imposed on each other like tissue-paper. With practice, an individual can operate, or exist, within one, the other, or both simultaneously. An analogy that's used for this: it's like "dancing with two different partners".