[Opinion] Worshiping Jesus and Kali

[CHAOS_66]

Hello everyone! I hope you’re all doing well. How do you feel about the practice of worshiping both Kali and Jesus? I’m particularly interested in exploring the idea of imploring their aid during rituals and integrating both in my spiritual journey. Do you think there would be a conflict between their energies? Could it be possible to harness their respective strengths in a harmonious way? I’m eager to hear your thoughts and insights on this subject!

 

[Amadeus]

I have done a lot of mixing and it can go either way. There can be certain conflicts that cause quite nasty spiritual effects or it can go perfect.

The worst side effects I ever experienced came when I mixed together 50-50% bible and the Quran practices. For a couple of years everything went smooth and well. Then more and more side effects.

At some point the energies started conflicting really bad. The effect feels like being connected to two massive systems that fill you with distinctively different energies. You can sense how the main channel is connected to one thing, then another, then they start overlapping. Your psyche starts dwindling and mentally there is chaos all over. You feel as if being torn apart. Anger, irritation, instability, rage, smashing your system until no energies stand still, giving you too extreme openness to everything.

This has a ton of factors. What exactly are you doing, how much per day, your openness and senses, how deep and hard the energy hits you.
Jesus stuff + heavy spam of the Hindu mantras can lead to the same effects as what happened with the bible + Quran and Sufi dhikrs, this also happened to me. I took some of the most popular mantras like the Hare Krishna, Kali, Dzambhala, I cannot remember what exactly but the %'s were about the same, Christian + others, 50+50%.

The positive scenario is indeed harmony, one gives a bonus and the other gives a bonus. They work well together and blend into a perfect mixture.
I'm still mixing stuff together but I changed the percentages, I figured out what to do and avoid.

Lots of this changes over time. It might be great for a year or 2 and then everything will change, then after another year or 2 it will change again. Then again something will change, some milestones, levels.

 

[HoldAll]

If you have been indoctrinated by mainstream Christianity and there's "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" as well as "I am a jealous god" lurking somewhe in the back of your consciousness, attempts at worshipping yet another deity may not sit so well with the Abrahmic monotheist god; if you are able seperate Jesus from God The Father it might work though. However, I can't recall any historical precedent for worshipping two different powerful beings at the same time (and somebody correct me if I'm wrong) - a single god in monotheism, fine, a whole bunch of them in Pagan pantheons, ok, but Jesus AND a very colourful and ambivalent godess? It seems like a lot of effort and mind-twisting is required here.

 

[Ziran]

How do you feel about the practice of worshiping both Kali and Jesus?

Well... technically, Jesus is quoted saying "I can destroy this temple ... " but he is also quoted including a rebirth in that destruction. My knowledge base on the Hindu pantheon is rather weak, but, if I understand, and maybe someone can correct me? Kali is purely a destroyer, whereas Shiva possesses the more nuanced potential for creative-destruction.

Do you think there would be a conflict between their energies?

Hmmmm. Well. From my point of view, I wouldn't call them, "their energies". The energy is "yours". This is important because, at their root, the energies which are being brought together are coming from you, not them. Because of this, whether or not there is a conflict is determined by you. The word, "Jesus", conjures a vast array of energetic principles. Each one can be refined into something potent. The same is true for any significant archetype which exists in the psyche.

To illustrate what I mean, imagine, what if? What if I had been raised to believe that "Kali" is the god of cotton-candy. When I invoke this name, I'm invoking cotton-candy, because, that's what the name means to me.

So, it depends. There will be a conflict if you are invoking conflicting principles. Just because two names possess conflicting energies, that doesn't mean you need to include those conflicts in whatever you're doing. You can choose which principles to invoke. It's not all or nothing.

Also, I think it's important to consider: Just because it appears to be a conflict, that doesn't mean it's "bad" or "harmful". It could be, the conflict is producing the intended outcome. it could be, the conflict is necessary for what you want to do. Maybe the conflict is the "secret ingredient", the "lynch pin", for lack of better words.

The point I'm trying to make, is, in my view it's best to focus on the energy that the aspirant associates with the gods they are invoking. If so, it doesn't matter how the rest of the world defines these gods. All that matters is what is happening in the heart-and-mind of the individual.

 

[voidcat]

Hello everyone! I hope you’re all doing well. How do you feel about the practice of worshiping both Kali and Jesus? I’m particularly interested in exploring the idea of imploring their aid during rituals and integrating both in my spiritual journey. Do you think there would be a conflict between their energies? Could it be possible to harness their respective strengths in a harmonious way? I’m eager to hear your thoughts and insights on this subject!

My thought immediately is like...if you want to worship two deities why not ask them if they'd be fine worshipped together? If worshipping the two together would help you reach your goals with how you view both deities. That could help you figure out if their energy conflicts. I personally see no problem worshipping the two together I can see how it'd go well and how it wouldn't. Really depends how the person views both deities what aspect of them you draw to yourself. I personally think Apollo, Dionysius, and Jesus would be great deites to worship together in most cases for example. Never thought about Kali and Jesus as I'm not knowledgeable on Hinduism. This what came to mind: to many Kali is a Dark Feminine energy and Jesus is a Light Masculine energy. That provides quite a lot of balance Yin yang if you will. Jesus is associated with resurrection, and rebirth. Kali with destruction, death and rebirth. Kali is also called Dark Mother. I'd ask what comes to mind with that phrase? To me it's a comforting phrase Dark Mother. I imagine the night cradling me and protecting me from harm with no judgement as the dark of the night covers everyone. I imagine strong protection with a fierce heart. I think of baneful protection spells and of a being who brings you into the dark to be reborn through blood sweat and tears like how we all out the womb through pain. Jesus what comes to mind with him is a man who through pain and suffering sacrificed. A guiding star, a usually patient teacher with a slight attitude if table flipping is any indication. I think loving but also judgement and distance. That's due to my own religious traumas he's not an energy I would associate with closeness altho many do associate him with that.

Together the idea of Jesus being similar to the Light of the Stars and the Kali being the Darkness of Night is how I'd see them if I worked with both. What that symbolism means to you is up to you.

 

[Mannimarco]

How do you feel about the practice of worshiping both Kali and Jesus?

How do I feel? The practice of worshipping any external entity is, at best, very limiting in terms of self development/ascension. It is certainly effective in growing and empowering those entities, and you will become more like them, and in time can even be quite productive in magick, at least in terms of that entity's specialty. Jesus is perhaps the least useful, and most poisonous, as a hard coded "savior" is neither productive for your ascension, or your magickal results. If you are just looking for someone to give your power away too, go ahead.

As to whether they will conflict, this will depend on you individually. Your past incarnations, your ancestry, your beliefs and daily practices, your level of development, etc. If you want to worship them both, do divination on the idea, or get someone else to do so.

 

[KjEno186]

I'm not knowledgeable in Hinduism, though I have felt attracted to Ganesha from some of my reading.

I'm familiar with Christianity because my culture is infused with it (and confused with it as well). As @Mannimarco pointed out in another thread, Jesus is probably an egregore. I would presume to go further and say that there are many Jesus egregores.

Jesus said, "I and my father are one." The general interpretation is that he was God manifested on Earth. Jesus also said that "the Kingdom of Heaven is in you." Some Christians have interpreted that verse as "among you", making Jesus/God as the King of the Kingdom of Heaven. Like the Pharisees depicted in the story, they are always searching for a literal government of God to manifest on Earth and take over the affairs of mankind. This literalist Jesus egregore is probably the strongest, but it is also the wrongest. It is the source of centuries of conflict and human suffering. In this sense most worship Jesus as God and settle for a codified morality that they force on others as proof of their loyalty. For this kind of Christian, Bible stories are just about being good, going to Heaven, and maybe living long enough to be among those raptured at Armageddon while the rest suffer for their 'ignorance'. These are often the same sort of Christians who have translated the Bible according to their own biases: "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to." - Matthew 23:13 NIV

A Gnostic viewpoint can be quite different, however. If the Kingdom of Heaven is within us, then it is up to each person to fulfill their individual purpose in life. The Brave search AI mentions this alternative viewpoint:

Additionally, the phrase has been interpreted in various ways, including the idea that the kingdom of God is a state of being, where individuals live in harmony with God's love and truth, and that it is not limited to an afterlife but can be experienced here and now. Some also see it as a call to personal responsibility, where individuals are encouraged to seek the kingdom within themselves rather than looking for external signs or locations.

From an occult perspective, it suggests that each person has an existence on another plane of Reality not perceived directly by the five physical senses, as depicted by the five foolish virgins in one of Jesus' stories. Each of us is God. Each of us is a part of Elohim. "Man" was made in the image of Elohim, and the body of Christ manifested on Earth is one with God. "Who really is my neighbor?" The story of Jesus couldn't just come out and say, "your neighbor is God," but the illustration made the point that even someone you don't like is "your neightbor", a fellow part of God.

Perhaps the stories about Jesus were inspired by Plato's Cave. What would happen to a man who entered the Cave and attempted to tell those watching the shadows on the wall that what they saw wasn't Reality? In the case of Jesus, they killed him. The Brave search AI provides this summary:

The allegory [of Plato's Cave] also highlights the challenges of enlightenment. When the freed prisoner returns to the cave to share his knowledge, the other prisoners may not believe him and could even be hostile, as they are comfortable with their known world. This reflects the idea that people often resist change and prefer to remain in their familiar, albeit limited, reality.

"From that time on many of His disciples turned back and no longer walked with Him" - John 6:66

Some early Church fathers believed Christ was born in a cave in Bethlehem. Then Christ's body was placed in a cave after his death from which he was resurrected. Did these things literally take place, or is the story of the life of Jesus a response to Plato's Cave allegory? What do the stories tell us about the nature of reality we experience through our very limited carnal senses? If one could free oneself from the beliefs of physical reality, could miracles/magick happen? If you can see Christianity as mystical and very much in line with many occult beliefs, then perhaps you could attempt the same level of understanding within another complementary spiritual archetype.

Kali appears to share some characteristics of Saturn, for example. If you're willing to view Christianity as an offshoot of Platonism, then perhaps look into planetary magic?