Your ideal form of government?

[Keldan]

But at the end of the day, no one in this forum will ever be president or King, and if any one does... Gods help us all

What if I’m a king of my own kingdom in another dimension? What if people here are presidents, priests, or priestesses of their own covens or groups on earth?

I’ve honestly never thought about this question. I just don’t like being in a position where I have to run things, because I’d lose my freedom. So I’d rather reject that role and keep the ability to do what I want.

 

[Kepler]

Remember folks, anarchy is not 'without order', it is 'without leaders'

Like the example given of Somalia in '91?

 

[Robert Ramsay]

Like the example given of Somalia in '91?

I have no idea about Somalia in '91. The definition of anarchy, however is unchanged

 

[Kepler]

I have no idea about Somalia in '91. The definition of anarchy, however is unchanged

You're the one that quoted my post about Somalia to say:
Robert Ramsay said:
Remember folks, anarchy is not 'without order', it is 'without leaders'

So you're not remarking about an event that you know nothing about by quoting my post?
It's difficult to understand what you were trying to say to me by quoting my post. What did you mean?

 

[Durward]

Lol, what a loaded question!
if you ran things what government would you set up?
I think my ideal is not realistic, but I feel like a king or queen that loves the people they rule with all of their being would supply the best outcome.
The mess that happens when too many people are involved in decisions is pretty obvious, and local communities need to be able to operate under a 'what's best for us' principle. So governing on a large scale needs to be focused on large scale decisions only, without infringing on the rights of local needs. At the same time, the power to overrule the local nonsense needs to be in place when it becomes obvious that rules are abusive and not in the best interests of the local people. Local laws, not abusive top-down laws. No corporate control or regulation should be allowed, and the wealthy and corporations should have to pay for social needs before they get one penny of profits. No more stock market profits until the housing and employment issues are corrected, and watch how fast there are no more housing issues, or unemployment issues.
So, it is a very complicated situation. In particular with today's world. We can't allow total freedom, but we can't oppress either. We should respect the rights of individuals, and of communities, and stop with laws we can't even enforce, and no more special treatment for those with more wealth.
No industrial control, no oligarchy, no technocrats.
Government should focus on infrastructure, safety, health and welfare, while policing and jailing the scammers and liars that are currently running everything. I think if we seriously made strict rules and laws that prevent abuse, most people would be much better off.
We obviously need to get rid of the profit systems that feed off the misfortune of people, like the fake health care, pharma, dental greed, housing, education and other scams. Those should never be for profit, and it is way past time to get rid of the main cause of misery and bankruptcy, health scams called insurances, greed hospitals, greed everywhere.
I suppose, when it is ripe, we could just make an A.I. system of government?

 

[Andros23]

I think your friend sounds like a wonderful individual!!!

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It was reported to be a bunch of warlords 30 yrs ago after the fall of the central gov into anarchy. To explain the refugees back then.

That's not anarchy... There is no leaders in anarchism, especially warlords

 

[Beyond Everything]

Weak people try to garner themselves power-by-proxy, that's why they hanker for authoritarian or monarchist or some such form of government.

Anarchism would be 'ideal', but it's obviously completely unworkable on any large, technological scale. People who believe in that and still expect to live a lifestyle comparable to what they have now are delusional.

So, that leaves representational government. Which brought us trump lol

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[Kepler]

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That's not anarchy... There is no leaders in anarchism, especially warlords

That helps clarify what you didn't mean, but it doesn't help clarify what you did mean by anarchy. What did you mean by anarchy? Living safe and soft behind the safety of a liberal society?

 

[Andros23]

So we go back to anarchism, since none of the control system governments have worked? All I know is that there is no perfect system, specially when is an individual with a lot of control..
Not even a Philosopher King...

 

[Kepler]

So we go back to anarchism, since none of the control system governments have worked? All I know is that there is no perfect system, specially when is an individual with a lot of control..
Not even a Philosopher King...

What do you mean by anarchism?

The situation in Somalia was anarchy despite your denials.

 

[Andros23]

By anarchist governance I mean a decentralized network of voluntary groups, providing for society the needs of all individuals, I don't mean everybody does whatever the fuck they want, I mean everybody works for the needs of everybody... Once again, it's a utopian dream... But aren't we fucking magicians after all? If anyone knows how to do the impossible it should be us... Instead of falling for the same models that have ruined our society. And our home. Our planet

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What do you mean by anarchism?

The situation in Somalia was anarchy despite your denials.

It was brought about by militaristic theocratic government, not anarchism

 

[Robert Ramsay]

You're the one that quoted my post about Somalia to say:
Robert Ramsay said:
Remember folks, anarchy is not 'without order', it is 'without leaders'

So you're not remarking about an event that you know nothing about by quoting my post?
It's difficult to understand what you were trying to say to me by quoting my post. What did you mean?

I presume Somalia was bad, but the quote also works if it had been good. I am not sniping at you.

 

[Andros23]

Lol, what a loaded question!
if you ran things what government would you set up?
I think my ideal is not realistic, but I feel like a king or queen that loves the people they rule with all of their being would supply the best outcome.
The mess that happens when too many people are involved in decisions is pretty obvious, and local communities need to be able to operate under a 'what's best for us' principle. So governing on a large scale needs to be focused on large scale decisions only, without infringing on the rights of local needs. At the same time, the power to overrule the local nonsense needs to be in place when it becomes obvious that rules are abusive and not in the best interests of the local people. Local laws, not abusive top-down laws. No corporate control or regulation should be allowed, and the wealthy and corporations should have to pay for social needs before they get one penny of profits. No more stock market profits until the housing and employment issues are corrected, and watch how fast there are no more housing issues, or unemployment issues.
So, it is a very complicated situation. In particular with today's world. We can't allow total freedom, but we can't oppress either. We should respect the rights of individuals, and of communities, and stop with laws we can't even enforce, and no more special treatment for those with more wealth.
No industrial control, no oligarchy, no technocrats.
Government should focus on infrastructure, safety, health and welfare, while policing and jailing the scammers and liars that are currently running everything. I think if we seriously made strict rules and laws that prevent abuse, most people would be much better off.
We obviously need to get rid of the profit systems that feed off the misfortune of people, like the fake health care, pharma, dental greed, housing, education and other scams. Those should never be for profit, and it is way past time to get rid of the main cause of misery and bankruptcy, health scams called insurances, greed hospitals, greed everywhere.
I suppose, when it is ripe, we could just make an A.I. system of government?

Now this is a really thought out answer... Although I am still a supporteer of Anarchist governance, yours is the realistic view I think we need.... I am glad you didn't go for the "I would be a dictator, who rules the masses as it should"

 

[Swampdweller900]

Wow... Who knew so many fellow wizards are capitalist, colonialist, fascists.... Am I the only one who believes anarchism is the only true political path? Too many Julius Ebola wannabes

The only way to reach true enlightenment is by personal agency, you can not have personal agency if you have others telling you what to do....

Probably not the only one, but it's not exactly a successful form of (non)government. Anarchism is essentially what Haiti and southern Somalia have. Force is the only law that applies.

Like it or not, humans organize into hierarchical structures without outside influence, and teamwork allows us to do more together than any one person can do on their own. Anarchism would not have allowed for us to communicate with each other as it does require capitalism to manufacture computers and lay huge amounts of internet backbone infrastructure.

FWIW, I've always thought that most of us trend more towards the "leave me the F alone" style of libertarian, which is closer to what you're thinking than fascists and colonialists. YMMV I guess.

 

[Durward]

Weak people try to garner themselves power-by-proxy, that's why they hanker for authoritarian or monarchist or some such form of government.

Anarchism would be 'ideal', but it's obviously completely unworkable on any large, technological scale. People who believe in that and still expect to live a lifestyle comparable to what they have now are delusional.

So, that leaves representational government. Which brought us trump lol

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A video of the man who tried to overthrow the local government in an Oregon town by poisoning other voters with deadly bacteria at local restaurant salad bars so his cult group could take over and control a town? Deported and demoted to the trash he is.
Basically, being in charge has been equal to the worst possible evil people on the planet, always. We only get to choose between bad or worse, with no other options, and that is supposed to be democratic. It is simply sad and tragic that the qualified good people are not chosen to lead, and we get stuck with people who worship an oligarchy voting for the criminal oligarchy and corporatocracy.
Usually, I'm live and let live, and 'leave me out of the human cesspool' mentality.
I agree with others here, that anarchism is far from ideal, because those who would abuse that for control and power would take advantage.
I'm surprised nobody with 'powers' has not melted the face off the orange clown felon and his flying minions...