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Book Discussion Your magic path described by books; how books connect to the mind

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AlfrunGrima

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If you oversee your magical path/career/life in chronically order and find matching books, which books and in which order would that be? Which book marks which period? Which book was a gamechanger, which book just a confirmation what you already knew and experienced? And which books embodied everything you are not? Which non-occult books influenced your path too? Or to say in another way: describe you magical path in books and foremost tell something about the why.

I had this conversation more often in the past and as a result I started to read other occult books, than I normally would do. I found it enormously interesting to discover how books are connected to the human mind, how they help to shape ideas or even break down other (older) ideas in the human mind.

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Man, magicians and our books. Good topic, AlfrunGrima.

Someone said magic is a broken tradition. I agree and we all have to reweave it from the threads and hints communicated in these eldritch books of lore and spells.

Well, our starting conditions in life influences our trajectory often more than we wish. I almost have the Champions TTRPG Perk "Unusual Backstory. I grew up in a very open-minded secular-scientific household with nice parents. Officially Unitarian Universalist with a Zen Buddhist practice as a teen.The Unitarian Church was a great place to be. A member of a local seminal witchcraft coven was a member as well. I attended a seance he orchestrated one Halloween there when I was 11 or so. We had a astrology group that met at my house. I was also a teen member of the Jung Society.

So as Gen-X and already established in my practice by age 25 before the internet took over. So there was just not that much material out there of interest to me, but here are some major themes-in-books.

I was not interested in magic and sorcery for spirituality or a replacement religion. I already had Zen, and some liberal culture ethics. I was a kid and for me this OTHER stuff was rock-and-roll.

Age 8. Some mass market 1970's witchcraft book whose title I wish I could recall, but containing a ritual from the Grimoirium Verum . I checked it out from my magnet school grade-school library. This the last bit of the Weird 1970's in the U.S. before the Religious Right swept through and surgically removed all these fun artifacts, in an effort to protect gullible minds like mine.

Age 12. Paul Huson's Mastering Witchcraft. From the local mall. Really, that was it. The right feeling. It was all there.

Age 18 - After high school I was backpacking through the UK and picked up what at the time was cutting edge Chaos Magic while at the Sorcerer's Apprentice in Leeds.

Age 19. I was at a party talking about magic and someone I did not know gave me a 1957 paperback of Idries Shah's The Secret Lore of Magic. That cemented it and I began cobbling together my own goetia with the Grimoirium Verum, Red Dragon, and others of the blue books.

Age 20-25. Went down the Chaos Magic / Robert Anton Wilson Operation Mind-Fuck a bit too far, ended up in the OTO. Got attacked by one of the demons which at that point I did not really believe in. Recognized the modern magic systems had nothing useful to say about Goetia. Met a Houngan and entered the world of Vodou and their way of dealing with the greater animist universe. Never looked back, even while I approve of the training systems.

Much later I read Jake Stratton-Kent's excellent work, and said well, ah, I can shift out of this more Christian flavored system a bit. I had already reformulated my cosmo-conception into a sort of Daimonic NeoPlatonic working meta-myth.
 

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Wow, I see a lot of interesting books and an very special route through your magical life! I am with you that I didn't need my magic to fill in the blanks of religion. Because for me there were no blanks and there was no guilt. I was satisfied with what I had in my religious life, I only wanted to explore magical life. Indeed a kind af rock and roll. I am from '81 and when I started to discovering there was almost no internet. We had that on the telephone line and it was way to expensive to let the little girl playing with that. At that time I even didn't understand how to work with a computer and I really had to learn that in high school. I always read a lot, so it was quite natural for me to dwell in bookstores right from the moment I was in high school.
 

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I am with you that I didn't need my magic to fill in the blanks of religion. Because for me there were no blanks and there was no guilt. I was satisfied with what I had in my religious life, I only wanted to explore magical life.
That's so refreshing, AlfrunGrima! Not having religious trauma growing up helps me be pretty ecumenical as well. I can respect people in any mythic framework, and I feel we should judge a religion by it's butterflies and not it's caterpillars.

As a mixed ethnic kid of mixed ethnic parents in Texas I was raised to be very ecumenical. At the Unitarian church we took field trips to other churches, temples, and synagogues. All done with no judgement. Unitarianism is very Sufic and sees the light of God as shining through all religions even if they have different words.

I also have Mexican Catholic grandparents on one side, and Jewish grandparents on the other. It would never occur to me to use mythology to pit them against each other. It just seems so stupid and bleak.

I'm currently reading Peter Grey's 'Lucifer: Praxis' which while I think it pretty great I can't escape the feeling it's mostly for people whose ancestors had to suffer through the European hellscape of history, the Dutch, British and Spanish Empires, the Nazis, the resource wars, the use of ritual to cement power (thinking of the British Crown pageantry).

Occultish folks in the States usually have some form Protestant Christo-trauma, usually from some mega-Church nasty fundamentalist sect. Much of their sourpuss qualities comes from The Niagara Bible Conferences from the 1800's , which was American oligarchs trying to make a slave religion for white people, and interjected a whole slew of bad attitudes, among them, anti-immigrant, anti-Catholic, anti-Jewish, and anti-Black. It was a lot for them to get over, and they as still haunted by it. Vile stuff.
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My girlfriend is from Dallas and was raised Southern Baptist. The Christo-trauma is a real thing in her psychology. I am introducing her to the better aspects of Catholic Mysticism. The New Age pagan route is not working so well, so I think maybe more of soft approach to overwrite it with the legit beautiful mystical practices there might help. She was never going to mythologize science and go UFO cult, thank goodness.

As the mixed ethnicity kids of mixed ethnicity parents in Texas and California, I just don't have the same grievances as Grey does against the Catholic Church. Mexican Catholicism is so different from pray-pay-obey Irish Catholicism as to be almost a separate religion. Among the Native American tribes of Mexico it was just accepted you adopted the war god of the people who defeated you. Like, whelp, our war god obviously sucks. Gonna call this other guy. And we changed the Church as much as they changed us. Not sure what to call that.

Maybe just taking the good with the bad, and not trying to fit all of it into one totalizing , low-level, poltical grudge fest mythology? Dare I say it? But in a high-level view that is more actually polytheist. :p
 

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That's so refreshing, AlfrunGrima! Not having religious trauma growing up helps me be pretty ecumenical as well. I can respect people in any mythic framework, and I feel we should judge a religion by it's butterflies and not it's caterpillars.

I'm currently reading Peter Grey's 'Lucifer: Praxis' which while I think it pretty great I can't escape the feeling it's mostly for people whose ancestors had to suffer through the European hellscape of history, the Dutch, British and Spanish Empires, the Nazis, the resource wars, the use of ritual to cement power (thinking of the British Crown pageantry).
That hellscape is in certain things still there in Europe and still here in little villages in even the Netherlands. There were direct concequences up into the youth of our parents. In our little village in that time with hardly 2000 people there was both a protestant and catholic school as well. Both had their own churches, both had own bakeries, both had an own wind orchestra with marching band etc. Lot's of thing were just after WO II still feudal: local farmers like my parents-in-law still had to pay the rent of their farmland to a local noble man and woman (baron and the freule) If society is organized that way, religion is not only religion but religion has power over people too. From my mothers side: she grew up somewhere else in the Netherlands in a reformed church society. My parents insisted that we not had to grow up with any form of Christo-trauma, they both have a Christo-trauma.

Back to the books. My grandma insisted that I had to learn the bible. But what she didn't know that I already at age 11, was reading the Ilias and Odyssee from Homerus in English. (Found it in a local library where a bigger library from the nearby the city brought books) So that bible was for me just another collection of myths, luckily!

One thing remained: I always have been a kind of library-dweller. If I was not in secret practice I would have an attic with hundreds of books, in which a reading nook in the sun and a reading nook where I put my icecold feet by a heater. (yeah I know, women always have cold feet in winter)
 

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The first one of my first esoteric books was; In Search of the Miraculous: Fragments of an Unknown Teaching is a 1949 book by Russian philosopher
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A bit later I read some occult books - one of them is Eros and Magic in the Renaissance by Ioan Petru Culianu. He presented there some occult authors from Renaissance: Marsilio Ficino, Trithemius, Giordano Bruno.

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A bit later I read some occult books - one of them is Eros and Magic in the Renaissance by Ioan Petru Culianu. He presented there some occult authors from Renaissance: Marsilio Ficino, Trithemius, Giordano Bruno.

later on I stumbled on the books of Carlos Castaneda.. yeah, some people say he was not authentic or so.. I am not sure about that..Nevertheless, some of his ideas seemed legit to me.. moreover I had experienced some of the stuff he described in his books,many years later..even if I was not looking purposely for that.!! That was the weirdest part. His final test was jumping off the peak of the mountain- he describe that in some of his books.. I did that 13 times..but in base jumping! that was crossing the abyss for me..staring at Death in the face literally.
 
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The first book I started my research with was Arthur Koestler's "The Roots of Coincidence" followed by Nick Herbert's "Quantum Reality" and Paul Davies' "The Cosmic Blueprint". The first occult book I read (apart from a lot of books about ghosts) was Crowley's "Magick in Theory and Practice" and then "Magick Without Tears".
 

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In the 20th century my first serious of magic that caused changes to the mind began

Early 80s
Nature of the Psyche - Seth/Roberts/Butts
This was the book and system I decided to follow up on.

Adventures in Consciousness - Roberts
Getting Jane's perspective on Seth helped with contextualizing my own reservations to move forward.

mid 80s
Unknown Reality - Seth/Roberts/Butts
This introduced ideas about time/space and matter related to consciousness with exercises that led to changes in spirit communication/interaction.

Conversations with Seth - Watkins
Was the final Seth book I did exercises from during that decade. It has the "True Dream From the Gates of Horn" suggestion described in it.
The True Dream experience was on such a dynamic scale that I am still learning new things about the dream as I grow and learn. Possibly for as long as I exist.

Late 80s
Dictionary of Angels - Davidson
Nudged me toward Gnostic thought.

Early 90s
Complete Golden Dawn Hardcover - Regardie
Complete Book of Witchcraft - Buckland

Dabbling influenced toward initiation.

Autumn 93
Complete Book of Spells Ceremonies and Magic - González-Wippler
The book's ritual visualization descriptions and Tattvas improved on earlier attempts.
The way the book was organized really helped put some things together for me at this stage. Bibliography.
More prep for initiation
Cunningham/Farrars
Adapting flow of natural cycles.
My then abstract panpsychist worldview informed by the Seth work now being grounded in a literal way through myth and metaphor.
Casting circles, Dedication to Deity, Sabbats...

94
Mystical Qabalah - Fortune
777 - Crowley

Initiation ritual at Summer Solstice. Vision of the HGA.

Gems From the Equinox
- CCXXXI

Powerful, persistent visions from that Liber of a shape I've come to call the "key of it all" which has allowed me to to unlock information to develop my Xabala.

Experience of the Inner Worlds - Knight
My ability to access astral temples increased after reading this one.

95
Book 4(Blue) - Crowley
Made me realize how much I had to work on, re-attribute, organize, ...just at the start. Began making personal Rose Cross.

98
The Book of Perfection - James Beck
Show and Tell over a weekend with Linda MacFarlane of 93 Publishing convinced me of the books provenance and importance. Everything was more real a the realization of being deep in from what I learned about the occult and myself with this encounter. It was all so Lynchian.

The Vision and The Voice(1998)
-The Ode to Hecate

Linda had a copy given to her and I copied the ode from a note in the book to do a series of rituals to syncretize.

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That pretty much ends the 20th century. So many books pared away to get the list down to these. It's striking thinking about the events in hindsight around these books.
 

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I would like to list some things , this is a nice topic. I will say that the most fascinating thing for me and foundation of this whole thread for everyone (probably?) is that you find books when you are ready to have them in your life. Then you read them generally when you are ready to be broken open by them. Oftentimes you will not understnad it fully. So it's funny that you may own a book for 10 years. But you only 'decide' to read it when it calls to you. This is the Universe or HGA saying 'this fits with your Path now' and before you would not make sense of it.
Fun to see isnt it?

90s and early 2000's to 2005ish
Celtic Magick (Llwelyn) by DJ Conway
The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna
The Teachings of Don Juan - and all the Toltec books by Carlos Castaneda
The Tao Teh Ching and other Daoist classics

2006 to 2012
The Magical Revival by Kenneth Grant and all the Typhonian books
Shadow Tarot by Linda Falorio
Magick / Book 4 / Liber ABA by Aleister Crowley
A.:.A.:. Student syllabus (Yoga Hathapradipika / Sacred Magic of Abramelin / Crowey/ Eliphas Levi )
Viradarium Umbris by Daniel Schulke
Lux Haeresis by Daniel Schulke


2013-now
Vision and the Voice by Crowley
Book of Thoth by Crowley
Azoetia by Andrew Chumbley
Dragonbook of Essex by Andrew Chumbley
More Crowley/Thelemic stuff - I can finally understand and make more sense of Qabalah:
Garden of Pomegranates by Israel Regardie
Enochian Vision Magick by Lon Milo Duquette
Living Thelema and
Way of the Will by David Shoemaker
The Infernal Mask , and The Benighted Path by Richard Gavin

I also love reading UFOlogy books, OBE/astral projection books, and other metaphysics topics, but I am focussing on the magick/practical religion books.

There was a definite 'upgrade' when I received a further Initiation in late 2024/early 2025. Books I could not really understand well, I reread, and it was like a whole new text. I still can't make sense of Bertiaux's Voudon Gnostic Workbook and I read about a fourth or fifth of it last month :/

Experience and perspective are everything.

You ask 'the why' well, we largely start with magick for personal reasons/practical gains/ and slowly (usually) move towards more spiritual evolution.
I am here to understand more about how the Universe works, and to upgrade myself. To experience more , and control more but also to be humble and go with the flow as best as I can if it helps me and others.
To have new experiences from new vantage points and to make non-human contacts.
 

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I would like to list some things , this is a nice topic. I will say that the most fascinating thing for me and foundation of this whole thread for everyone (probably?) is that you find books when you are ready to have them in your life. Then you read them generally when you are ready to be broken open by them. Oftentimes you will not understnad it fully. So it's funny that you may own a book for 10 years. But you only 'decide' to read it when it calls to you. This is the Universe or HGA saying 'this fits with your Path now' and before you would not make sense of it.
Yes, recognize that. Books stay in the closet when one is not ready to read and understand them.
 

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Yes, recognize that. Books stay in the closet when one is not ready to read and understand them.
Also good, is as one develops, one notices 'that book is not good or useful after all' :) Lots of hype sometimes and no real use. I notice especially in the LHP community the 'darker than thou' 'bloodier blood blood' a lot of it is not explained clearly, and if it is, it's very simple and more trying to shock or be 'dark' than to be of use to a practitioner. These are books I didn't bother listing above, as those were all very useful.
 

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Yes, recognize that. Books stay in the closet when one is not ready to read and understand them.
One of those for me was Little Essays Toward Truth. Acquired in the mid 90s I read through it skipping past stuff I didn't get and thinking I understood the book. Maybe a bare gist, it wasn't until the 2010s that I was prepared.
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There were adjacent books too that changed direction of magic -

Autumn 2001
The Discovery of Poetry - Mayes
The lessons on how to read poetry helped considerably with being able to read Crowley's class A, Book of Lies and the like.
 
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One of those for me was Little Essays Toward Truth. Acquired in the mid 90s I read through it skipping past stuff I didn't get and thinking I understood the book. Maybe a bare gist, it wasn't until the 2010s that I was prepared.
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There were adjacent books too that changed direction of magic -

Autumn 2001
The Discovery of Poetry - Mayes
The lessons on how to read poetry helped considerably with being able to read Crowley's class A, Book of Lies and the like.

One of those for me was Little Essays Toward Truth. Acquired in the mid 90s I read through it skipping past stuff I didn't get and thinking I understood the book. Maybe a bare gist, it wasn't until the 2010s that I was prepared.
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There were adjacent books too that changed direction of magic -

Autumn 2001
The Discovery of Poetry - Mayes
The lessons on how to read poetry helped considerably with being able to read Crowley's class A, Book of Lies and the like.
Little essays is a great example of that! Also Liber Aleph.
ACs writing style is witty but contains a lot of casual truths that he wasn't super adept at getting across to everyone. Or maybe he wasn't supposed to
My wife got me a beautiful Hellfire Press edition of Little Essays you should check it out.
Best to you.
 

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Little essays is a great example of that! Also Liber Aleph.
ACs writing style is witty but contains a lot of casual truths that he wasn't super adept at getting across to everyone. Or maybe he wasn't supposed to
My wife got me a beautiful Hellfire Press edition of Little Essays you should check it out.
Best to you.
Crowley having high expectations of his readers was one of the first comments I read about him before reading his books.
With Essays it was learning how to unpack the dense writing of complex and tightly packed concepts from the provided touchstones that allowed the book to influence my thinking away from panpsychism and toward hylozoism in the 2010s.
That learning took awhile to make it personally operable as a kit, even after getting an immediate glossary understanding from reading things like the Sepher Yetzirah or Chalice of Ecstasy in the beginning.
 
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