PSA: samael is not an angel and more about angels

[AbammonTheGreat]

While I personally tend to agree with this take, I have a feeling that certain gnostics, anti-authoritarians, or chaotic individuals may not.

If the metal has a violent reaction when exposed to water I can safely assume its an alkali metal, doesnt require me to be philosophically aligned with either side of the reaction.

 

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As a conjurer with over a decade of experience this is ridiculously suspect. Religious scripture is one of the most notorious litmus tests in the discernment of spirits. If a spirit is telling you to ignore or disregard any holy book, religious text, or wise/holy man it is a trickster at best and much more malevolent at worst.

There are thousands of years of advanced mystics and magicians warning about this. There is a specific class of spirits that are known to be tricksters and like to front as angels. These are the entities Dr. Dee got into contact with. Seeing as you are unfamiliar with proper conjuration procedure I have no doubt in my mind these things are running absolute train on your psychology. They are deceivers. Be very careful of any spirit that tries to discourage you from holy texts or wisemen. A spirit or diety with your evolution at heart will propel you deeper into the sacred texts and point you towards wisemen. Ones that reject scripture are... well... make an educated guess.

If you did understand the relationship spirits have with one another and humans, you would see that religion is a scam, so it is not a reliable way to use as a litmus test. This is why i discourage it and not to mention angels themselves have complained and been threatened by some religious deities before. If you understand what a deity is, then it becomes clear why you cannot use religion as a litmus test as acknowledgement of a religious figure i.e. deity as christians love to say that confirmation of christ is necessary, then any spirit that validates it, is dishonest as the religion itself is dishonest. Not sure if this is the place to discuss about religion but the birth of christianity isnt so dissimilar to gnosticism. A lot of people getting consistent supernatural experience does not make a religion the right way, as evident by concept since the religions say they are the only way. All it does is verify that there is indeed a supernatural system behind it.

For instance, the concept of god is well understood by other species, even angels, and i have seen things through their perspective to understand. Religious deities seem a lot lesser than angels once you start applying concepts and understanding angels better. For one, why would your creator ask for you back? Is your creator not some ultimate being that it has to ask you to act for it, to give yourself to it, to worship it? That sounds like going in the opposite direction. Did you know that the reason why angels would feel insulted by this move isn't god, but its a disapproval of their own efforts to become what they are. They have succeeded so its like saying they need you to sustain them when they can sustain themselves. This is why while angels will still respond despite humans using bad methods, you would essentially be limiting yourself or your practice with them as they will be unable to fully share things with you.

The methods i put forth to verify are based on my experiences and knowledge from previous lives as i've dealt with beings far far worse than pretenders and i understand the issues each method of verification has that makes them 99% good for humans or this world, because any being that can surpass method 2 and 3 would also be a concern to angels themselves but such beings would never bother with humans even if humans asked. Acknowledging a deity instead does the opposite. It means that the spirit you are working with is under that deity's authority. Since human deities are far far lesser than angels, this makes it very questionable. As you can see only humans hold an opposite perspective to other beings. You will need to read below to understand more on other beings

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This is contrary to what you've said previously. You've said that humans need to learn to do direct magic but then you can't share the methods for them to do this direct magic and that the angels "don't want to make it available to humans in general."

So since you can't or won't share these methods, people will have to default to what they know and what works for them.
I am genuinely curious about these mysterious methods you can't share, but I'm not going to pry if you can't or won't share them.

Yes, I'm very curious about this direct magick. But it sounds like what Bardon's steps in IIH amount to - controlling the elements and visualising them.

you are correct in that bardon's IIH does teach direct magick, however for myself and other beings direct magick is a given since birth and through normal societal development. For instance the use of energy by directing the flow from myself through wings to my surroundings, moving the energy around me and boosting my own physical movement is something that is so instinctive that i only have to visualise it to feel it and make it work. I use this all the time however the human body has limits on how much forces and acceleration it can handle, same for any physical object and moving very fast is also very dangerous for anything you hit. However the consequence of this is that predicting and what you would call radar are also as instinctive to me. That is why i can find beings using ESP and contact them directly. However i also have the ease of angels knowing me and being around me regularly. Basically direct magick is harder for humans because humans were punished for abusing power, which means they get heavily nerfed making this difficult in the first place. That is why there exists a ritual for humans to unlock their magick potential using angels. I know this because the angel i havent named yet has stopped mages by doing the opposite as well.

I also mentioned 2 other easier methods. Gabriel is very underrated given how important the things he can do. Do not underestimate an angel's recommendation to another, it's a huge help for any method you use to contact angels.

For me i grew up in a religious environment in the east. The kind of things i do and developed i was not able to read through books, set up candles and so on. Where i live, even if someone wanted to switch religion they arent able to, and if they were to visit the church they could put that whole church into trouble. So doing anything physical where i am would get one in trouble with the religious authorities and while i can read books i just cant lay out anything physical from them, not even candles. However i always had direct magick and had a grasp of energy, intent and will and could also sense it in others as well.

The reason why im trying to talk about angels is because im trying to improve the relations for humans as thats the biggest obstacle right now and for so long for humans to work with angels or other beings. Some beings would only ever consider humans if they worked with certain angels as it shows that they can be trusted.

What angels dont want to make available to humans are a huge array of services and knowledge in general. So while angels could, angels simply dont trust humans to do that.

 

[Morell]

The reason why im trying to talk about angels is because im trying to improve the relations for humans as thats the biggest obstacle right now and for so long for humans to work with angels or other beings. Some beings would only ever consider humans if they worked with certain angels as it shows that they can be trusted.

What angels dont want to make available to humans are a huge array of services and knowledge in general. So while angels could, angels simply dont trust humans to do that.

Rather desperate attempt in my opinion. I don't think that this can be done.

 

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Rather desperate attempt in my opinion. I don't think that this can be done.

i agree, thats why things are currently on manipulation rather than genuine attempt since the genuine attempts failed. However theres a strong need to try because of procedure and what will happen in the future otherwise. That means a lot of work needs to be done, so when the time finally comes humans cannot complain to angels that the angels didnt know their situation or doesnt understand humans.

Im currently writing another post on one of the more interesting things that has happened and a spell.

 

[Morell]

so when the time finally comes humans cannot complain to angels that the angels didnt know their situation or doesnt understand humans.

That's the case already. How can you understand someone if you don't spend some real time with them?

 

[mag1caljeet]

if all you said is true, then it sounds like this is your task in life right now but how are you talking about it so easily?

 

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That's the case already. How can you understand someone if you don't spend some real time with them?

Because angels do incarnate but sleep while doing so. So this way they dont know that they are angels and no one else does. They'd go through human life like normal. There are some very specific and certain attributes that give it away but i wont spoil this one.

A simple example is enoch. They say enoch became metatron but humans cant simply evolve into angels directly. Rather enoch was already metatron who incarnated as a human.

if all you said is true, then it sounds like this is your task in life right now but how are you talking about it so easily?

No its not really my task in life, im just doing this as a side. Its like seeing an absolutely terrible situation and doing something on the side about it. Its not really my main thing but it still is a bit fun.

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That's the case already. How can you understand someone if you don't spend some real time with them?

Because angels do incarnate but sleep while doing so. So this way they dont know that they are angels and no one else does. They'd go through human life like normal. There are some very specific and certain attributes that give it away but i wont spoil this one.

A simple example is enoch. They say enoch became metatron but humans cant simply evolve into angels directly. Rather enoch was already metatron who incarnated as a human and slept while doing so.

Angels arent tied to time and space so they can still be around while doing so, and be in multiple locations at the same time. They therefore have the 1st hand experience of humans to even judge them with. Angels also have access to the collective experience and memories of humans as they actually see souls and souls that also have not even incarnated yet. However for them the memories are all anonymised and they have strict procedures and respect for many things.

if all you said is true, then it sounds like this is your task in life right now but how are you talking about it so easily?

No its not really my task in life, im just doing this as a side. Its like seeing an absolutely terrible situation and doing something on the side about it. Its not really my main thing but it still is a bit fun.

This is contrary to what you've said previously. You've said that humans need to learn to do direct magic but then you can't share the methods for them to do this direct magic and that the angels "don't want to make it available to humans in general."

So since you can't or won't share these methods, people will have to default to what they know and what works for them.
I am genuinely curious about these mysterious methods you can't share, but I'm not going to pry if you can't or won't share them.

i just realised you highlighed 2 different points. The first one is that there are rituals/chants to summon angels from closed groups relating to the golden dawn and hermetics. They do work, are effective and i've tried them but they do get pretenders too. However i do not have permissions to share them.

The 2nd one is that angels themselves not being forthcoming to humans in general. Meaning angels dont trust humans and humans dont know to ask. So its not that i dont want to share more its that angels dont want to make that method available. You'd have to take it up with the angels themselves.