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What are your views on hell?
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In my humble opinion, Hell is just an amalgam of various energies and forces of collective suffering. It exists as a point in reality, much like any non-material realm (astral planes, symbolic planes if they exist), but constituted mainly by a clusterfuckery of disgrace and everything that is miserable about existence. An energetic convergence that, if you go into there, you will be simply in a state of relentless disturbance.
Much like we suckers fell for the incarnation dream, some suckers fall for Hell much like an addict lives miserably in a hellscape of a crack den (like in a guilt trip, for instance). Nobody stays there forever, though, because I don't think anything stands forever. As anything, everywhere, there are alchemic processes to be completed, elements to be created and motives for a soul to be there. As in anywhere.
About demons and devils, I like to view them as the following:
- Demons are entities that concentrates the force of knowledge and the principles of the Gnosis attainable by the alchemic processes of Hell.
- Devils are beings that thrives in Hellish energies and they are assholes, of course. Like that clown (Violator) from Spawn, you know? They're there to laugh at your misery.
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Culturally, Hell has multitude of variations and dimensions, from a place of eternal rest in comfort to eternal punishment encompassed by a Lake of Eternal Tormented Fire. To others, it is simply the grave, whether eternal or just a site where the body decays.
My personal take is that it is not a place of punishment. This was a concoction of Zoroastrian influences adopted by early Christian Sects that eventually gave birth to the whole arena of Good vs. Evil duality necessary to complete the Christian Cosmology.
My personal take is that it is not a place of punishment. This was a concoction of Zoroastrian influences adopted by early Christian Sects that eventually gave birth to the whole arena of Good vs. Evil duality necessary to complete the Christian Cosmology.
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I believe some version of it exists, but it's nowhere near what the church teaches. The mainstream vision of hell is an instrument the church uses to control the masses through fear. They frighten us into submission. There is punishment for the wicked, but it's not a cookie-cutter deal like we were taught.
The concept of hell in hinduism called Naraka is interesting to me. It has punishments for people that exactly match what they did in an ironic twist.
Dante Inferno when I read kind of felt as if it was just needless suffering way less organized. Like if anyone has wrath issues they all go to the same place. But wrath manifests in a lot of different ways.
Naraka also is not eternal to most people which kind of makes sense. If reincarnation was a thing then it doesn't make sense to most people there forever since they can reincarnate.
Hell in hinduism then becomes a terrible resting point for the soul before its time to reincarnate. If there is a hell I'll believe in that one since eternity for non-eternal actions doesn't make sense to me.
Not just because the actions don't fit for what was done. But because If someone's stuck somewhere eternal eventually that just becomes their day to day. Its no longer punishment after a certain amount of time. They just get used to it. Then Hell would just eventually become a place where souls linger around. They stop caring.
So even eternity would just eventually become eh. Reincarnation would actually keep hell or Naraka as a place of punishment.
Dante Inferno when I read kind of felt as if it was just needless suffering way less organized. Like if anyone has wrath issues they all go to the same place. But wrath manifests in a lot of different ways.
Naraka also is not eternal to most people which kind of makes sense. If reincarnation was a thing then it doesn't make sense to most people there forever since they can reincarnate.
Hell in hinduism then becomes a terrible resting point for the soul before its time to reincarnate. If there is a hell I'll believe in that one since eternity for non-eternal actions doesn't make sense to me.
Not just because the actions don't fit for what was done. But because If someone's stuck somewhere eternal eventually that just becomes their day to day. Its no longer punishment after a certain amount of time. They just get used to it. Then Hell would just eventually become a place where souls linger around. They stop caring.
So even eternity would just eventually become eh. Reincarnation would actually keep hell or Naraka as a place of punishment.
Hell ; continuous cycles of ignorant rebirth , getting nowhere and never learning the lessons or evolving and continually having to re incarnate here in a world that gets worse and worse each decade .... year .... month ...
Hell ; a temporary cycle of postmortem experience - before 'the second death ' where two things can happen ;
1. You have a 'need' to experience the concepts of hell you held during your life and/or to enact any guilt / punishment scenarios you have been programmed with .
2. A tour through an 'exhibition of Hell ' ;
When you die , you might go to hell .
Its a strange exhibition ,
rooms like cells or cages
where people are trapped
and are endlessly having to
perform the sins they committed
in life .
Here , in one exhibition
are furniture designers
that made crap products
they have to sit on chairs
that dig into their backs
and sleep on uncomfortable beds
that never give rest .
In the next room are bureaucrats
they will not be there long
they are on their way to heaven
but first have to fill out the forms
in triplicate
and provide documents
that require other documents
which require certificates and records
and annotating and stamping
by officials
who are currently on holidays
In one room is a man
that always argued about everything
he is on an operating table
having emergency surgery
which has stopped
while the doctors argue
not even about a point of procedure
because the argument has
devolved so far
that now the argument is about
what the argument was supposed to be about
in the first place .
Just look and walk on
dont be too repulsed or fascinated
you might get drawn into it .
Just walk on and accept
that many others
are caught in their own version
of hell.
Hell ; a temporary cycle of postmortem experience - before 'the second death ' where two things can happen ;
1. You have a 'need' to experience the concepts of hell you held during your life and/or to enact any guilt / punishment scenarios you have been programmed with .
2. A tour through an 'exhibition of Hell ' ;
When you die , you might go to hell .
Its a strange exhibition ,
rooms like cells or cages
where people are trapped
and are endlessly having to
perform the sins they committed
in life .
Here , in one exhibition
are furniture designers
that made crap products
they have to sit on chairs
that dig into their backs
and sleep on uncomfortable beds
that never give rest .
In the next room are bureaucrats
they will not be there long
they are on their way to heaven
but first have to fill out the forms
in triplicate
and provide documents
that require other documents
which require certificates and records
and annotating and stamping
by officials
who are currently on holidays
In one room is a man
that always argued about everything
he is on an operating table
having emergency surgery
which has stopped
while the doctors argue
not even about a point of procedure
because the argument has
devolved so far
that now the argument is about
what the argument was supposed to be about
in the first place .
Just look and walk on
dont be too repulsed or fascinated
you might get drawn into it .
Just walk on and accept
that many others
are caught in their own version
of hell.
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Hell is where demons live.
I don't want to walk on. If everyones caught on their own version of hell then thats not my version if hell. I won't be affected. I could just help them up. Thats it. Its literally that simple.
And if they have to learn a lesson then someone can just teach it to them. Literally. Or I guess learn on their own.
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I would like to follow up on this, since this thread is more active lately. My belief has changed. Nowadays, to me hell is just a prison you create for yourself. You create it, maintain it and you can break free from it too. It is not eternal damnation it is the here and now. I see hell as more a state of mind than a dimension.
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To me Hell is a fear based creation for control. I dont believe in it. I walked away from the Abrahamic, and that includes the spiritual Hell concept.
I am with the others who describe a shitty life, or a state of mind as hell. We can create that without the Abrahamic chains.
I will 100% know the moment I die. Until then, I have shit to do here.
I am with the others who describe a shitty life, or a state of mind as hell. We can create that without the Abrahamic chains.
I will 100% know the moment I die. Until then, I have shit to do here.
My advice needs to be taken in context of that period between the first and second deaths , in an astral realm of life reflections where aversions and attractions and expectations are played out . of course, I am not suggesting that the here and now physical suffering of others is some type of zoo that we are not involved in .
So whatever ... spend as long as you feel you need to , doing whatever you now think you would need to . . . it will not last as the 2nd death must be gone through, eventually .
- see ; 'The Tibetan Book of the Dead ' -
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Indeed ! The revelation of Nuit can heal that trauma though .
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Yeah . One of my fav lines from 'Dr Faustus ' ; Faust trying to trick Mephistopheles ; by giving him an inescapable paradox , he will be relieved of his contact ...
Faust ; '' You say you are imprisoned in hell and cannot escape from it ? ''
M ; '' True .''
F ; '' Aha ! Yet here you are , right in front of me ! ''
M ; '' Dear Faustus ..... this is hell , nor is there anyway out of it . ''
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Just jumping in here to ask ya'll to please not lump us Folk Catholics in with the Protestants and Muslims.
Their version of Hell is vastly more similar to each other than to ours.
See Jonathan Pageau, who is a Canadian Orthodox Christian, talking to an atheist here, dispelling the fundamentalist's version of Hell.
For me, most of the time, Hell is a metaphor for a state of being that anyone who is suffering enters.
In ritual, it is literally a harsher location of the Underworld (formerly called Hades) that is also a part of our universe. It is a place anyone who is suffering enters, and the only way out is by reconnecting with the fundamental Love flowing through the universe.
In Brujeria, summoning some spirits like Anima Sola (the Lonely Soul) is easier done when one is 'in Hell' - meaning you are in a state of great suffering. You "are" where she lives. It is a state of mind and a place. And a place that is a state of mind.
Their version of Hell is vastly more similar to each other than to ours.
See Jonathan Pageau, who is a Canadian Orthodox Christian, talking to an atheist here, dispelling the fundamentalist's version of Hell.
For me, most of the time, Hell is a metaphor for a state of being that anyone who is suffering enters.
In ritual, it is literally a harsher location of the Underworld (formerly called Hades) that is also a part of our universe. It is a place anyone who is suffering enters, and the only way out is by reconnecting with the fundamental Love flowing through the universe.
In Brujeria, summoning some spirits like Anima Sola (the Lonely Soul) is easier done when one is 'in Hell' - meaning you are in a state of great suffering. You "are" where she lives. It is a state of mind and a place. And a place that is a state of mind.
They kind of sound like Bert and Ernie or Statler and Waldorf.
That is interesting because I noticed when I was in a state of suffering more spirtual things started to happen to me.
I'm not that afraid if their is a hell because I know/think I know nothing lasts forever even hell or hell like situations. And if I get into circumstances that are bad then I can just keep moving forward. I don't know if their actually is an actual hell place though. I don't think there is. I think theres just a resting place for souls.
Won't know for sure I guess.
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The spirtual things I don't if they were for the best for me if I'm being honest but they happened
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Hmmm ... do they ? To me they kind of sound like deep philosophical musings from one of humanity's classic books on the subject ... also taken from two perspectives (as there are two versions of the story ; Marlow and Goethe .
But I dont suppose anyone is interested in learning about that ?
I also don't suppose anyone wants to examine the concept of hell itself, where it came from, how it developed in time and related to the psyche of those people at the time ... I mean it is the whole underpinning of most of the magic people practice on this forum (in essence ) . Why and how so ? I don't think I will answer that here ... unless someone wants to know why .
Otherwise .... carry on with Sesame Street .
Here is one view on that ;
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2. Thou then, who hast trials and troubles, rejoice because of them, for in them is Strength, and by their means is a pathway opened unto that Light.
3. How should it be otherwise, O man, whose life is but a day in Eternity, a drop in the Ocean of time; how, were thy trials not many, couldst thou purge thy soul from the dross of earth?
Is it but now that the Higher Life is beset with dangers and difficulties; hath it not ever been so with the Sages and Hierophants of the past? They have been persecuted and reviled, they have been tormented of men; yet through this also has their Glory increased.
4. Rejoice therefore, O Initiate, for the greater thy trial the greater thy Triumph. When men shall revile thee, and speak against thee falsely, hath not the Master said, "Blessed art thou!"?
That is all sound philosophy and healthy for you too . Considering the vastness of the Universe and the vastness of its' potential spirituality , the ideas of hell as eternal torment and punishment ... to the modern person, that can begin to visualize such vastness , seems (at least ) unbalanced .