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Legacy or yet another soul/player plugged into matrix forced to playing the game ?
This thing was living rent free ok my head for more than a decade...
I used to don't like having my own children but now I'm exact opposite of what I thought I wanna have children but I really have to know everything about it about the consequences of my action of bringing another soul into the game...and how is this getting done on the other side...is there any book or any information I could read about this thing ?
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This is topic related to NDE, actually. You might want to search for the topic (and the book) "life between lives." That is probably the closes you can get to the certainty, but certainty is impossible when it comes to who comes when a baby is born. It is not only the soul that comes, but also the environment and new unique body, that shapes the person that the baby will be turning into...
Legacy or yet another soul/player plugged into matrix forced to playing the game ?
This thing was living rent free ok my head for more than a decade...
I used to don't like having my own children but now I'm exact opposite of what I thought I wanna have children but I really have to know everything about it about the consequences of my action of bringing another soul into the game...and how is this getting done on the other side...is there any book or any information I could read about this thing ?
Soul will incarnate one way or the other when it wants! Human body is not prerequisite. There's countless other beings in the universe or on earth. And never a shortage of vessels either or an surplus of souls.
Michael Newton's books? I remember some titles. Journey of souls and a few more.
For as long as I can remember I've never wanted children. This kind of lifestyle isn't for me.
I can't imagine having to bother with them. All the noise, no more peace and quiet. Something disturbing and causing distress.
No matter are they young or older, they're always annoying, unwanted obligation.
I've observed people who suddenly decided to have them, nothing good. They're exhausted, tired, and always having to do something annoying. Every aspect of being a parent feels annoying.
There's some family I know, they're very religious and produce kids like factory. I pity them, it looks awful, not enough space either, they're in some small house.
Somewhere I read that the same people are born into your family, ancestors coming back. Some say it isn't always so.
There's probably something in Newton's books, I can't remember much anymore.
Michael Newton's books? I remember some titles. Journey of souls and a few more.
For as long as I can remember I've never wanted children. This kind of lifestyle isn't for me.
I can't imagine having to bother with them. All the noise, no more peace and quiet. Something disturbing and causing distress.
No matter are they young or older, they're always annoying, unwanted obligation.
I've observed people who suddenly decided to have them, nothing good. They're exhausted, tired, and always having to do something annoying. Every aspect of being a parent feels annoying.
There's some family I know, they're very religious and produce kids like factory. I pity them, it looks awful, not enough space either, they're in some small house.
Somewhere I read that the same people are born into your family, ancestors coming back. Some say it isn't always so.
There's probably something in Newton's books, I can't remember much anymore.
I don't remember the books well either, but I remember that they covered the topic.
I've heard the same, that ancestors return into family as a custom, but that it doesn't happen every time. No idea if it's true. But wouldn't be surprised if some groups of spirits did so in shared project.
Baby factories are wretched things. These families produce kids with quality of illegal dog breeding factories. Wretched consequence of brainwashing and/or psychosis, yet legal till something really bad happens. I pity the kids there. They did not choose to be there.
I believe that it is heathy to take it that none of us chooses how we get into this world. (how and where we are born) But it is for us to grow into moment where we can and do take responsibility for our live and live it as we can and want. And I have to rant here, that this is often taken away from women through making them pregnant as soon as possible and then "chaining" them to children. So glad I escaped such cruel fate, as it is surely not part of who I want to be and how I want to live.
People should choose to have children or not depending on their ability to provide a decent upbringing for them - that includes providing for their material welfare as well as deep emotional support. If you don't think that your life is fundamentally a beautiful, wonderful thing, you may have some emotional issues that prevent you from being fully ready to parent a child. That said, one shouldn't wait for everything to be perfect before they have kids. That never happens.
I considered two choices ;
1. Have children - but I have no real solid financial or stable base , am irresponsible and very specific idea about upbringing, so that would require a very specific type of partner / mother . And even if so, bring them into a world where 'these things' are happening and total insanity is about to break loose .
2 - consider that there are enough children around that dont get enough care or good feedback or attention , so I can 'put in there ' .
I opted for the 2nd ..... and certainly had my hands full with that at times .... many times, many different kids as an 'elder friend' father figure, teacher , or 'strange old uncle ' . Turns out the kids I had association with liked me and the way I dealt with them .
Considering parenthood ? That is 24 / 7 ...... think about that .
Not even a parent but being a partner to someone with kids ; imagine this
Early morning phone call '' You have to come and help me , I am sick and vomiting and cant get out of bed , got a terrible flue and so have the kids ( 3 boys all under 5 ) , two are hungry and one has diarrhea , they are walking around the house crying and tried to make breakfast but dropped a glass bowl and smashed it and now they are walking around barefoot in the kitchen over broken glass and diarrhea on the floor .... ''
No pottering in the gardening , sitting in the sun, going to the beach , no anything that I had planned or not planned , for me today
'' Okay , I will be there in about 15 minutes . ''
I have a son. Just turned 18. Bringing him up and experiencing his growth was and is a gift and treasure
Yes being a parent is 24/7
Well worth it though
I believe in the esoteric doctrine of soul families. I think our children are closely intermingled with our incarnations. I view my children as having selected me to be their parent - for some reason for better or worse; and that as esoteric/occult parents we have a responsibility to help their development as souls because thats a part of both our incarnations. This is closely related to the higher self/hga and the doctrine of karma and reincarnation. When we fail our children we fail our Will.
Creating another being as a partially subconscious wish to attain immortality is inferior to attaining spiritual immortality, in my view. I don't see what's so difficult about comprehending what I typed.
Others can not me. Maybe after years and years of intensive therapy + okay income I would adopt but biological kids? No.
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Even adoption is a hard maybe leaning towards no from me. It would have to be adoption because I don't want to be responsible for a maybe new? Soul walking around.
Creating another being as a partially subconscious wish to attain immortality is inferior to attaining spiritual immortality, in my view. I don't see what's so difficult about comprehending what I typed.
Just getting clear ... and now it is clearer ; you seem to think having a child somehow attains your immortality ... no, thats not right ... its a ' partially subconscious wish ' that you seem to be saying you have ; '' I prefer true immortality .''
Its not so much about comprehending what you typed , but more comprehending the attitude behind what is typed .
And that brings up a very important dynamic about parenthood and raising children .
Children are potential independent sovereign beings - that need assistance and guidance when growing up ... but they are NOT little replicas of oneself that are supposed to live up to your own expectations of a 'mini-me' . . . . In my view .
And it is easy to see that this has been and can be a root problem in the parent / child relationship . A parent should let the child develop and follow their own path , regardless of the expectations that the parent has for them .
Just getting clear ... and now it is clearer ; you seem to think having a child somehow attains your immortality ... no, thats not right ... its a ' partially subconscious wish ' that you seem to be saying you have ; '' I prefer true immortality .''
And that brings up a very important dynamic about parenthood and raising children .
Children are potential independent sovereign beings - that need assistance and guidance when growing up ... but they are NOT little replicas of oneself that are supposed to live up to your own expectations of a 'mini-me' . . . . In my view .
And it is easy to see that this has been and can be a root problem in the parent / child relationship . A parent should let the child develop and follow their own path , regardless of the expectations that the parent has for them .
Legacy or yet another soul/player plugged into matrix forced to playing the game ?
This thing was living rent free ok my head for more than a decade...
I used to don't like having my own children but now I'm exact opposite of what I thought I wanna have children but I really have to know everything about it about the consequences of my action of bringing another soul into the game...and how is this getting done on the other side...is there any book or any information I could read about this thing ?
Do as you wish. Whatever soul you bring into the world will have incarnated anyhow if it chose to do so, which it did. Just treat the child with care and love them.
Indeed , and one which you seem to have an affinity with , as you proclaimed . Just because 'its a thing' with a title does not make it a good premise for having children .
No, I am giving good advice about 'having children' and things that people that want to have them might need to consider . I can supply references about this , if you need them, to show it isn't 'just my emotions ' , and that it holds objective validity way beyond your 'hand wave away ' .
Your ummmm .... 'advice' is about NOT having children and is actually off topic .
At least my soapbox is on topic . Its a point about raising children . Which this thread is about .
I stand firmly on this soapbox and respect the rights of children to grow up, and when old enough to live out their own True Will ... not the overbearing projections of a father figure concerned with their own 'immortality' that thinks having a child will not supply his immortality so dont have one .
But you bought up an important point that can be advised on ;
if you want to have children , beware of the supposed 'symbolic immortality' principle !
Now, since you are claiming I am just 'comprehending' what your own cognitions and emotions are.' and are trying to diffuse my information by claiming 'You're just going on your own soapbox ' ... let's bring in a disinterested ' and objective opinion ;
yes, it is AI , that is the point , for accuracy it supplies references that can be checked :
'' Viewing children as a form of symbolic immortality—projecting your own continuity through your offspring—can create severe psychological and relational problems. [
Resentment and Friction: When children inevitably rebel to assert independence, parents view it as a rejection of their legacy, causing severe family estrangement. [
Narcissistic Motivation: Having children purely to extend oneself ignores the fundamental ethical responsibility of raising an independent human being.
Genetic Essentialism: This mindset overvalues biological lineage, which can lead to the devaluation of adopted children or blended family structures. [
Do as you wish. Whatever soul you bring into the world will have incarnated anyhow if it chose to do so, which it did. Just treat the child with care and love them.
Angry Father to Son ; '' If it wasnt for me, you would not even have been born ! ''
Child ; '' No ... I would have been born , just somewhere else with a different father . ''
''If it chose to do so .'' - interesting . I asked a friend why she called her little girl 'Minka' , why that name what does it mean ?'' She said '' I dont know what it means but when I was pregnant , at the beginning, I have this very vivid and unusual dream where this little girrl / spirit came to me and said '' You will be my mother and my name is Minka .''
WE DO NOT 'OWN' THEM . Our job is to help bring them through , ''care for and love them '' and nurture them towards independent adulthood .
And it is true ... narcissists SHOULD NOT have children . Although statistically they do , and can be very fertile ( for some reason * ) and have lots of 'bubba mummas' but rarely get involved in the child's nurturing and upbringing .
Why ?
Well , any one with NPD is going to see the m/other as inferior , so any child will be half her , not all him , so faulty , so as they with NPD does , 'chucks it on the trash heap' .
Only self cloning would satisfy them
( By the way , some have said that NPD is the 'default western consciousness ' now ... maybe resulting in 'western' birth rates falling ? )
Maybe anyone that considers having children should do a little self scan about this first ( and of course people that do have this are going to 'rail against it ' ) ;
