Buddhist magic

[TPA3323]

Is anyone practicing any Buddhist related magic? Either Vajrayana or Bon related?

 

[Amadeus]

I have experimented a bit with the Vajrayogini mantras from there. They are very good. If you are looking for very strong effects with it then go for the "OM OM OM SARVA BUDDHA DAKINIYE VAJRA VARNANIYE VAJRA VAIROCANIYE HUM HUM HUM PHAT PHAT PHAT" it's a really strong one though and some warn against it. Then again the stronger stuff can get the ball running faster.

You might want to look into Vajrayogini Pujas, the offering method as well.
I don't know much about making pujas nor that much about the vajrayana stuff, just the mantra work. Somebody mentioned that pujas are very effective, and another said that he ordered the service from monasteries to be done in his name

 

[Schimmel]

I do, by some extend, as I pratice Taoism. And Buddhism and Toaism are closely intertwined.
Sadly Vajrayana or Bon Buddhism has eluded me so far. But I would love to deepen my understanding of them.
So far I was not able to find a teacher and as far as I know Buddhism pratice and knowledge needs a Community or at least a Student-Guru relationship to thrive.

Is anyone practicing any Buddhist related magic? Either Vajrayana or Bon related?

Why the specific question? Are you looking for something in perticular?

 

[TPA3323]

I do practice Vajrayana but most of the instructions and material in the west are whitewashed to resent a more tame spiritual side of Buddhism. In the east the magical aspect is very much alive but not so much is translated in English or other western languages. I know Lama Vajranatha offers seminars regarding magical application of Buddhism or Bon but I haven't ever ran into anyone who actually practices them.

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I have experimented a bit with the Vajrayogini mantras from there. They are very good. If you are looking for very strong effects with it then go for the "OM OM OM SARVA BUDDHA DAKINIYE VAJRA VARNANIYE VAJRA VAIROCANIYE HUM HUM HUM PHAT PHAT PHAT" it's a really strong one though and some warn against it. Then again the stronger stuff can get the ball running faster.

You might want to look into Vajrayogini Pujas, the offering method as well.
I don't know much about making pujas nor that much about the vajrayana stuff, just the mantra work. Somebody mentioned that pujas are very effective, and another said that he ordered the service from monasteries to be done in his name

Can you please explain your method of working with them?

 

[Amadeus]

I'd recommend getting prayer beads, your nearest esoteric store probably has something nice. Make sure they're comfortable to use. Then recite the mantra. Some people might imagine the deity or keep an image of it close.
This particular mantra is a bit wild and maybe not exactly the best to start from.
You could try though, just keep the numbers low, at least for a while.
I don't know much about pujas. You have to Google how it works.

Vajrayana, I just checked the list and now I remember.
Many would recommend starting with the green Tara mantra.
Then later Mahakala and Vajrayogini mantras.

Om Tare Tuttare Ture Soha

Om shri Mahakala hum hum phat Soha

The classic too, om Mani padme hum, very good

Reciting will give very powerful effects and connect with the deity, system.
The most ideal would be to gradually increase the numbers, you will get something going.

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Ah my bad, the Vajrayogini mantra I posted, I copied it without soha/svaha.
After hum hum hum phat phat phat add soha/svaha.

 

[harokatz]

Recently read this book, "New Aeon Tantra: Secrets of Typhonian Magick & Western Tantra" which rlly opened me up to such concepts and has rlly helped me in my understanding of thelemic work in general

 

[solxyz]

I'm a Vajrayana practitioner. I'm happy to answer questions about it in so far as I am allowed.

On the whole, however, I am going to be a stick in the mud and say that just picking up random mantras is not really the way to approach it. Yeah, they can help build some energy, or whatever, but that's not really the heart of the matter. In fact, I have never met anyone who tried to teach themselves Vajrayana from the internet who wasn't basically missing the boat. One really should connect with a teacher and a lineage. Especially if one wants to get into the magical side of thing. There is just so much of philosophy/view, practice structure, and technical details that can hardly be conveyed in text.

All that said, I'm no fan of anyone holding monopolies on teachings or the like, and I'm perfectly happy to help jail-break the tech as much as possible.

 

[Amadeus]

I have never met anyone

I have met with people like that online, they had to or wanted to study everything solo. I think one lived in some muslim country where everything was banned, a crime to even have books on such subjects Another was deeply disappointed in the teacher. There is a huge problem finding good teachers. These paths have a lot of crooks, looking to make easy buck, teaching you whatever for $$$. I don't know much about the Buddhist stuff, except that the mantras give extremely good effects when properly unlocked. They can of course give quite the opposite effects too and completely screw the mind. I've done my things sufi/orthodox practices solo all the way, spoke to people online, studied some books and lots of trial & error, there were many issues on the way, took forever to understand.

But yes, the philosophy, view, practice structure and technical side would be very hard solo. Perhaps there are good teachers somewhere online too, willing to explain and guide through.

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Teachers can be either good or bad, like doctors. Some will give you the worst recipes and won't be able to guide you properly. The progress can be very slow or downright bad.

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Some people are just looking to experience strong effects, ecstasy, want physical results, get rid of depression & anxiety, unlock increased awareness, reach altered states, perhaps work with some deity. For this solo can be fine, although potentially a slippery slope.

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Vajrayana practitioner

Wait, you're that guy Solomon with 20 years of Vajrayana experience right? Excellent

 

[solxyz]

I have met with people like that online, they had to or wanted to study everything solo. I think one lived in some muslim country where everything was banned, a crime to even have books on such subjects

Sure, and I'm sympathetic to such people. You don't even need to have any particularly extreme story to have my sympathy. You could be living in a free country with three different temples within walking distance, but just be very skeptical of the hierarchical features of Tibetan Buddhism. I was one of those people myself for many years. But regardless of how sympathetic one's reasons for proceeding in this way may be, I still think it is very unlikely that you are going to get it right by trying to teach yourself from books. It just doesn't work like that. And I'm speaking somewhat from personal experience here too. I tried studying this stuff from books, and with considerable dedication, for several years, but once I started engaging in-person with the living tradition, it was all very different than I could have imagined, and my progress was dramatically improved for it.

And then there is the fact the guru is a core element of how the Vajrayana works as a system - not just someone to convey information about how to work the system.

And yes, there are a number of good teachers who are now teaching over the internet, to one extent or another.

There is a huge problem finding good teachers. These paths have a lot of crooks, looking to make easy buck, teaching you whatever for $$$.

Maybe I'm just lucky or I have a nose for who is sincere, but I have never once had a bad teacher in this field, at least not in that way. The worst I can say is that some of them didn't really understand how to connect with Westerners and taught in a very formal way that didn't meet people where they are or succeed in conveying the underlying logic of the practices. In the lineages I work in, becoming a lama is a pretty heavily vetted matter.

Of course there are bad teachers out there. But that just means that you need to be a little more discerning and keep looking for a good one. The occult world in general, taking this beyond just a discussion of the Vajrayana, has a lot of this attitude that there are bad actors out there and therefore its better to figure everything out on your own. I think this is deeply misguided, no different than saying that because bad dates and bad relationships happen, one should stay single and friendless their whole life. In reality, we need each other, and the deeper we want to go, the more important this is. In basically every culture in the world, it is understood that someone who wants to go far in the spiritual life needs a good guide and mentor.

I've also done a lot of study and experimentation on my own, as is the norm in western occultism, and some of those hard earned learnings are especially valuable in their own way. And in fact, even when working with a teacher, one is still always kind of figuring things out for yourself just in order to make the tradition your own. But my biggest strides and most of my paradigm shifts have come when working with teachers (again, not just in the Vajrayana).

I will say also that teachers are especially important when attempting to approach a tradition from another culture. There is just too much embodied understanding of radically different models of how to be and how to relate to situations that really require getting out of your own head and experiencing the way these things are lived.

I don't know much about the Buddhist stuff, except that the mantras give extremely good effects when properly unlocked.

I'm curious what you mean by "unlocked." How do you unlock a mantra?

Some people are just looking to experience strong effects, ecstasy, want physical results, get rid of depression & anxiety, unlock increased awareness, reach altered states, perhaps work with some deity. For this solo can be fine, although potentially a slippery slope.

Sure, and people are welcome to pursue all those goals, although some of them are a bit shallow and people will be selling themselves short if they stick with those goals long-term. Personally I have no problem with it if people want to use bits of Vajrayana flotsam to pursue their goals, but they shouldn't fall into thinking that they're actually practicing Vajrayana, or anything that particularly resembles it, just because they are using a Vajrayana mantra.

 

[Amadeus]

I'm curious what you mean by "unlocked." How do you unlock a mantra?

What a nice long reply.

The unlocking. The process of unlocking, the act of reciting until something clicks, then clicks again and then a special profound connection forms.
This can take weeks to months of continuous recitations, even more for higher effects. Reaching the point of feeling completely one with the mantra, energy, with the system. Then whenever you work with the mantra again, it will always have much stronger multiplied effects.
About like cutting down the jungle, making a clear path, without anything growing back. The long term goal of internally cutting down and dissolving blockades, then cutting down the jungle between you and the source.

I've found this practice to be exceptionally effective.

Whether the goal is to awaken senses, experience special states, remove anxiety/depression, connect with a deity, improve some kind of a situation. The changes over time are overwhelmingly positive, permanent changes. There can be of course downsides too where the system goes a bit out of order, especially with the DIY approach.

Maybe I'm using weird words but many have called it either as conquering or unlocking. With some friends we call it unlocking.

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Back in the day I wanted to find people to explain a thing or two but it wasn't possible at all. The average answers were "find a monastery" "find a shaykh". From the first moments on I started experimenting with Christian monastic methods, also sufism. They don't teach hesychasm anywhere except in monasteries either. I focused on getting guidance directly from the saints, and the information came out of nowhere. About like knowing what must be done.

Like-minded people were a bit helpful, gave some ideas. Some had previously been in sufi tariqas, a few were active members. Books taught something but the practical side all came through trial and error,. endless experimentation.

Post automatically merged: Sunday at 8:18 PM

You have a good point, yes it can be helpful if there's somebody around to guide. Deep spiritual problems could arise, it's better to have somebody around.

 

[diskrete]

Have you read the book "an overwhelming hurricane" from Martin Boord? I have not yet, but it is on my reading list - and is a translations of older buddhist texts on Wrathful Deities (with transaltions of "Black Razor", "Fierce Mantra" and other texts relating to wrathful (overcoming mundane hinderances) practices)