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Jinn Magick

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I feel like I am being called to work with Jinn, and I'm curious what others experiences have been like with these spirits. Good? Bad? I want to be as respectful as possible, as I am not Muslim, but I understand they are beings that predate Islam. Thanks!
 

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It is Djinn.
And you can be mislead to make an inacurate wish.. Write first 'I activate this wish after multiple revisions and only when I write .. I now activate this documented wish, I wish this document to be my actual wish according to my meaning as I hold it' And stow two wishes for a distant future. I do not give you every asset I own, but that is a good start.
 

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It is Djinn.
And you can be mislead to make an inacurate wish.. Write first 'I activate this wish after multiple revisions and only when I write .. I now activate this documented wish, I wish this document to be my actual wish according to my meaning as I hold it' And stow two wishes for a distant future. I do not give you every asset I own, but that is a good start.
I believe it can be spelled either way. At least according to J.M. Hamade, a scholar on the subject. I have heard that they are tricksters and that it is very important to set clear intentions and boundaries. I very much appreciate your solid advice.
 

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I believe it can be spelled either way. At least according to J.M. Hamade, a scholar on the subject. I have heard that they are tricksters and that it is very important to set clear intentions and boundaries. I very much appreciate your solid advice.
There is a reason for the D.. But you choose as you will.. It can be both ways, indeed. I advise against haste. And careful contemplation of outcomes via a methodology which you can, if worthy, develop to establish a pristine wish. Good luck.
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I believe it can be spelled either way. At least according to J.M. Hamade, a scholar on the subject. I have heard that they are tricksters and that it is very important to set clear intentions and boundaries. I very much appreciate your solid advice.
Since you are polite and learned, which I am unused to meeting in my travels, I will give you another wish asset. Incorporate the requirement for djinn to adhere to the motto and its actual meaning at the highest levels.. 'Ethics.. Sapiential, Veritas'.
 
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As I wrote in this Jinn (sic!) thread, don't be surprised if you don't get that many replies, the topic has been discussed several times already, and the experts may be loathe to repeat themselves.
 

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I'd say "know you're dealing with a great and diverse people with its incredibly complex and deep history and culture"... Unlike egregoric beings and elemental spirits, jinn are people in the strictest sense, made of "smokeless fire" by God, and they are a proud people with a sense of propriety, honor and ethics mostly foreign to humans and especially our specific culture. Essentially you want to work with aliens.

I'd approach it less as a "summoner" and more as a diplomat, but that's just me.
 

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As I wrote in this Jinn (sic!) thread, don't be surprised if you don't get that many replies, the topic has been discussed several times already, and the experts may be loathe to repeat themselves.
Thanks for sharing the thread! I'd hate to ask anyone to do something they loathed!
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I'd say "know you're dealing with a great and diverse people with its incredibly complex and deep history and culture"... Unlike egregoric beings and elemental spirits, jinn are people in the strictest sense, made of "smokeless fire" by God, and they are a proud people with a sense of propriety, honor and ethics mostly foreign to humans and especially our specific culture. Essentially you want to work with aliens.

I'd approach it less as a "summoner" and more as a diplomat, but that's just me.
Essentially, yes. I am not unfamiliar with working with aliens, or rather, them working with me.
Thanks for the response! I really like your advice on diplomacy.
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There is a reason for the D.. But you choose as you will.. It can be both ways, indeed. I advise against haste. And careful contemplation of outcomes via a methodology which you can, if worthy, develop to establish a pristine wish. Good luck.
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Since you are polite and learned, which I am unused to meeting in my travels, I will give you another wish asset. Incorporate the requirement for djinn to adhere to the motto and its actual meaning at the highest levels.. 'Ethics.. Sapiential, Veritas'.
Heard. Thank you!
 

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I think learning this stuff then observing to find it and after working along side it rather than dive into the river, its there doing stuff anyway, I think if you know what it does and how it works thats the main thing, study carpentry, really think about if you want to be a carpenter
 

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I am not an expert in Jinn magick, but I have worked some of it for a little while via Corwin Hargrove's book and some of Nineveh's materials. What I can say from theory and (a little practice) is that they are quite different than the usual spirits that western occultists work with. They are spirits that are typically regarded as "fiery" because of the whole smokeless flame stuff from the Quran and this is true to some degree, but they are also diverse in disposition as well. Some people even regard them as being closer to the different elemental spirits that we come to know such as Salamanders, Undines, etc. Considering that they predate Islam, the Quranic view of them is not always the best way to view them from the high level down, but the Sufi derived approaches to them do work.

As to the nature of their magick, it is powerful and fast when it works. I can attest to that. Even in Corwin Hargrove's book, he stresses that they are quite powerful when they actually do the work, but you need to be quite specific about your intention. Unlike systems with angels and a lot of demons, the Jinn can take the request and fulfil it to the letter in a very literal way or even throw curveballs along the way. I don't call them tricksters in their entirety, but it is worth keeping in mind to be careful with your requests (which should be a general rule in magick anyway). In terms of their supernatural effects, their magick relies on knowing individual names than on things like sigils. There are magical squares being a prominent feature in many cases, but the names alone hold the power to work with them when used correctly. Just keep that in mind when working with them. When I say a name of a jinn king I actually feel the presence of the king when doing it properly and that is not something I can say usually about spirit work in general.

As for how you approach them and their personalities, you should take the comment of them being close to humans as being quite true. Jinn are very diverse in nature and quite "human" in that diversity. Some are dangerous as hell, some are capricious, some are patient, and so it depends on who you choose. The general idea is that you go in with respect, confidence, and understanding. You should invest in understanding the different protections that exist against Jinn, both in the Islamic world and outside of it. The material of Nineveh Shadrach can help you with this and even researching certain duas + surahs of the Quran can greatly help with this. The general approach I prefer is to come respectful and ready to communicate, but come protected just in case. Make sure you pick the Jinn that you know you are ready to work with and understand the nature of the spirits you are calling.

For example, the Shayatin (or Shaitan) are regarding as Cthonic underworld Jinn that exist to deceive humans. In the Quran, these are the Jinn that originate with Iblis and his refusal to bow to man. So you might be cautious about calling these types of Jinn. Another example are the Ifrit / Ifreet, known as being prideful, fiery, and extremely powerful Jinn that are known for volatile and potentially dangerous to work with. There are also the Marid, Ghul, etc, and each have their own unique characteristics. You can't always trace which name is which type, but there should be enough info out there to have a basic grasp of the well known ones (e.g. the Jinn Kings, well known Ifrit, and the Jinn Elders). Regardless of the type you work with, you should always keep in mind the need for protection and the current general temperament for spirit work.

The nature of Jinn work itself is also quite interesting compared to western spirit work. Like with the grimoires, Arabic (especially Sufi style) magick involves the use of hierarchies in order to call upon the Jinn with authority. You move from divine names of god / Allah, to angels, to superior jinn, and finally to subordinate Jinn when you make the calls. Each preceding level gives you the authority to call the next level below. This is a common pattern that is also present in grimoires for demons, but with older Arabic magick there is also a "service" oriented aspect of it where you work in seclusion and a lot of repetition of various names / calls / surahs / etc in order to build "rapport" with the spirits you are calling. It is not uncommon to see requirements such as doing an invocation 1000 times over 40 days in complete isolation in order to be able to have a full "experience" with the Jinn. Some of this is for the ability to manifest the Jinn properly, but other parts of this are for protection and respect. You are paying service and time to those that you are calling to you and that is, in my eyes, a form of respect to the spirit. Of course, you cannot do this very easily in a modern setting, so some shortening and adaptation is required. Modern methods really omit this and to me that is okay in certain cases, but maybe not in others.

If you decide you are against the use of the Abrahamic view, then you could (maybe) omit the angelic and divine name aspects of calling Jinn. But the hierarchy part within the Jinn world (i.e. Elders > Kings > other Jinn) should be retained. This still respects the Jinn while also providing a strong framework of protective authority to work with. In this case, you will probably need to develop a relationship with the Elders and the Jinn kings when using this approach.

Anyway hope this helps. This represents my own current take on Jinn magick, but I am sure others may disagree with my points or expand upon them.
 

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I'd approach it less as a "summoner" and more as a diplomat, but that's just me.
Even in Corwin Hargrove's book, he stresses that they are quite powerful when they actually do the work, but you need to be quite specific about your intention. Unlike systems with angels and a lot of demons, the Jinn can take the request and fulfil it to the letter in a very literal way or even throw curveballs along the way.

I've noticed this theme in Jinn posts where people mention the "malicious compliance" and the two solutions seem to be 1) Go in like a diplomat and 2) Go in like a lawyer. It is interesting since those are both ways to deal with difficult people (or people who have been made difficult by one's own actions). People skills apparently have application when the people in question are smokeless fire too.
 

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I feel like I am being called to work with Jinn, and I'm curious what others experiences have been like with these spirits. Good? Bad? I want to be as respectful as possible, as I am not Muslim, but I understand they are beings that predate Islam. Thanks!
Most jinn are entities without particularly strong motivations. They've somehow been integrated into the world by humans or by their own means, and have become worldly beings.

If you answer their calls, you're much more likely to end up being used than using them. And because they're have lower connections to the world than demons or angels and such are, their effects tend to be much more tangible and noticeable.

Their effects can feel incredibly powerful, but that doesn't mean they're more powerful. Become the vessel for a higher power, then either control them or drive it out.

That's essentially what Islamic magicians do anyway. You can do the same through your own methods. Not being cordial with them will generally work in your favor. I've never encountered a jinn that just wanted to be buddies with a human. They all seem more interested in deceiving people and using them as hosts.
 
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