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Self initiation into freemasonsry

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Is this possible, to initiate into the spiritual side of freemasonry?
Using Manly Halls Secret Wisdom of All Ages, and published rituals, would 8t he possible? Up to the highest rite?
 

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I dont think you can from what I got of freemasonry ( I might get initiated this year although Im still hesitating) but that s not like rosicrucianism where they send you stuff and you have to do ritual at your house and give account of what happened ( although I think you dont have to give account of your experience anymore).

From what I get the initiation kind of wake up something inside you or something like that, but im not sure all freemasonry got the mystic part in it. I live in europe so it's all about the scottish rite. I have a friend who is in prince all masonry which is mostly about York Rite, he live in D.R he told me that european masonry doesnt have anything mystic, or "magical" in it, nothing that can give you power to do some magic and that it s after the three first degree that you get into it. I dont know if it s true but I think that anything that can help you elevate your soul is beneficial for your magic.

I think that the result you get it kind of what you would get if you do N.A.P properly + the strength of the freemason "egregore " like it s put you in a higher state., from that I guess anything is possible.

ive been also said that you can get into freemasonry and just be there for the social part.

About the secret teaching of all ages, that the type of paper you gotta give in the first 3 degrees in the scottish rite. I dont know how they call it in english, but they give you a subject and you have to do some research and expose it in the lodge I dont know if it s like that in every rite tho.
 

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In 40 years in Scottish Freemasonry I hardly ever met a brother interested in the spiritual energy aspects of the ritual.

Most had been monks in past lives and they liked doing ritual together, perhaps with some singing, and eating together. Masony was a convenient organisation for their purposes.

Freemasonry as a physical institution has been declining since 1950 (soldiers from WW2) and is now largely in a terminal state

The task still remains - teaching humans how to manage themselves and operate in the planetary and systemic temples.

Fortunately there is some progress with an outer sign being the Artemis Accords
 

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In 40 years in Scottish Freemasonry I hardly ever met a brother interested in the spiritual energy aspects of the ritual.

Most had been monks in past lives and they liked doing ritual together, perhaps with some singing, and eating together. Masony was a convenient organisation for their purposes.

Freemasonry as a physical institution has been declining since 1950 (soldiers from WW2) and is now largely in a terminal state

The task still remains - teaching humans how to manage themselves and operate in the planetary and systemic temples.

Fortunately there is some progress with an outer sign being the Artemis Accords
do you think if in your lodge you aare the only one interested in the spiritual energy aspect of the ritual, you can still manage to tap into it?
 

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do you think if in your lodge you aare the only one interested in the spiritual energy aspect of the ritual, you can still manage to tap into it?
I'm not in a lodge but my suspicion would be yes. Read Hall thoroughly. Then go for Heindel and Steiner.
 

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I'm not in a lodge but my suspicion would be yes. Read Hall thoroughly. Then go for Heindel and Steiner.

Hall is really the type of dissertation they ask you to do and read in the lodge in the three first degree. I dont think you can find anything there. it is made in a way that even if you wanted to say something about it you wouldnt be able because that something you have to live, at least that all my friend who are mason told me.
 

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if in your lodge you aare the only one interested in the spiritual energy aspect of the ritual, you can still manage to tap into it?
The ritual, over the last 40 years of my observation, has become very flat, as the inner plane sponsors have progressively abandoned most forms of Masonry

Working with the planetary temple can occur in any garden, suitable meditation groups, in muse-ic performances, and sometimes in front of paintings by great masters

Many years ago, watching a performance Der Meistersinger on tv, when the prize song was sung, at the German words for "a tree richly hung with healing fruit" all my chakras suddenly lit up. Unfortunately I have not been able to track that performance, but I suspect that was actually my ToL was just showing off.

Training is available to work the planetary and systemic temples, but at present there are very few human institutions able to provide it. Better to start with gardening and work your way up. Work with the Flame in the Heart and eventually you will be conscious/worthy of many profound relationships
 

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The ritual, over the last 40 years of my observation, has become very flat, as the inner plane sponsors have progressively abandoned most forms of Masonry

Working with the planetary temple can occur in any garden, suitable meditation groups, in muse-ic performances, and sometimes in front of paintings by great masters

Many years ago, watching a performance Der Meistersinger on tv, when the prize song was sung, at the German words for "a tree richly hung with healing fruit" all my chakras suddenly lit up. Unfortunately I have not been able to track that performance, but I suspect that was actually my ToL was just showing off.

Training is available to work the planetary and systemic temples, but at present there are very few human institutions able to provide it. Better to start with gardening and work your way up. Work with the Flame in the Heart and eventually you will be conscious/worthy of many profound relationships
Not to mention, you can always call upon God. His Holy Arch, Shem and Messenger and Host angels, choirs, at any time.
You can always do a LBRP two times a day.
Once a day for ten minutes meditate every single day.
Read one book on masonic astrotheology or spirituality monthly.
Etc.
They don't need to know and you don't tell.
That's silence, and that part of Magick.
 

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The ritual, over the last 40 years of my observation, has become very flat, as the inner plane sponsors have progressively abandoned most forms of Masonry

Working with the planetary temple can occur in any garden, suitable meditation groups, in muse-ic performances, and sometimes in front of paintings by great masters

Many years ago, watching a performance Der Meistersinger on tv, when the prize song was sung, at the German words for "a tree richly hung with healing fruit" all my chakras suddenly lit up. Unfortunately I have not been able to track that performance, but I suspect that was actually my ToL was just showing off.

Training is available to work the planetary and systemic temples, but at present there are very few human institutions able to provide it. Better to start with gardening and work your way up. Work with the Flame in the Heart and eventually you will be conscious/worthy of many profound relationships
what exactly do you call "the planetary and systemic temples" ?
 

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Just as the human has a meridian system for managing energy, so does the planet and the solar system and the galaxy and the universe.

There is a lot for humans to learn about their designed functionality
 

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There are three obvious levels to Freemasonry:

  • Learning to control the personality
  • Overcoming the fear of death
  • Learning to operate in the nearest temple in the heavens.

All of those can be achieved without the assistance of competent Masonic brothers. If you can find such brethren the processes are easier, but finding such brethren requires you to make quite a lot of progress anyway.

Non-obvious levels include:

  • Being accepted into non-human and/or non-planetary lodges
  • Operating in further temples in the heavens
  • Being delegated some aspects of Divine Purpose

These levels may be seen reflected in some of the higher degrees.
This is interesting and I found myself
Having mastery over the first triad that you mentioned , I feel really on the way that I ever wanted to be,❤️ and being on the right path of my divine path
 
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The ritual, over the last 40 years of my observation, has become very flat, as the inner plane sponsors have progressively abandoned most forms of Masonry

Working with the planetary temple can occur in any garden, suitable meditation groups, in muse-ic performances, and sometimes in front of paintings by great masters

Many years ago, watching a performance Der Meistersinger on tv, when the prize song was sung, at the German words for "a tree richly hung with healing fruit" all my chakras suddenly lit up. Unfortunately I have not been able to track that performance, but I suspect that was actually my ToL was just showing off.

Training is available to work the planetary and systemic temples, but at present there are very few human institutions able to provide it. Better to start with gardening and work your way up. Work with the Flame in the Heart and eventually you will be conscious/worthy of many profound relationships
I disagree, the spirits that work within the masonic current are alive and well my friend. Don't forget masonry builds its temples in the hearts of man. That is where these spirits reside. A simple trip to nearly any blue lodge will show an experienced practioner the egregores and spirits in masonry are in fact alive and well.
 

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Two lodges I have belonged to for some decades have just closed
Ive seen this in switzerland, I wanted to approche a lodge more egyptian oriented but it had been put to « sleep » bc of the lack of members. I think there was actually three lodge like that not only in the egyptian rite
 

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Masons are supposed to be taught to manage their internal spirits in order to be able to interact with the spirits that make up the planetary and solar temples.

It is very rare to find a Mason competent in the planetary temple
 

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Masons are supposed to be taught to manage their internal spirits in order to be able to interact with the spirits that make up the planetary and solar temples.

It is very rare to find a Mason competent in the planetary temple
internal spirits? what do you mean by that? sound like lwa to me... also sound like one of those tantric concept Ive heard of

I know a lot of mason from the carribbean islands use the rite to make their magic, for sure. Ive seen a booklet they pass to each other where it would give some " recipes" where it ask the person to put themselves in the 2nd grade or it says thing you have to put yourself in such or such grade to do that ( not you have to be, you have to PUT yourself ). It is like some gesture or sign that is related to such or such degree that make your enter in another level, or in other place they will say thing like " you do this and this then you say the password of the master". Very interesting. it seems like only a few experience those things.
 

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It has spirits and egregors that work to further the brotherhood and it's brothers.
hold on you mean its own spirits or spirits that are known and also worked with in masonry? Man nobody told me about this, when I talk to my friend that propose to be my godfather about, how Martinez de Pasqually influenced some of the rites of masonry and that he dealt with spirits, he said there is none of that in masonry.
 
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hold on you mean its own spirits or spirits that are known and also worked with in masonry? Man nobody told me about this, when I talk to my friend that propose to be my godfather about, how Martinez de Pasqually influenced some of the rites of masonry and that he dealt with spirits, he said there is none of that in masonry.
Well to be honest rank and file members without clairaudience and clairvoyance aren't going to be sensitive enough to pick it up. But...but you can if you read between the lines of the process and symbolism of the initiation rituals see the invisible hand of the spirits.

Let me give you an example. I have the right being a Master mason to ask help from the brothers that have come before me. Many times the ties that bind this fraternity survive even death.
 
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