Demons

[Fr. Maximagus]

I hope this is useful to you in your own practices.

20th century magic is not traditional magic. People took Crowley heroin-fueled twaddle " the spirits are parts of fthe human brain" and turned it into the "Initiated View " which kept English-speaking magic hostage for almost a century.

What I mean by "externalized practice into consensus reality" -ok.

Traditional magic is "in the world" vs. modern magic which is "in your head"
In my more Vajrayana Buddhist view, this is a false dichotomy. The spirits are just as real as you. From the 10,000 Sephira view, meaning not at all, them or you.

Well the Vodou saying is just part of New World sorcery. My hougan taught me. It's is actually just very practical operating procedure from living magical traditions, like those I am part of.

When you have active spirit allies this is your lived experience. Yeah, sorcery. The allure! heh.

Don't assume they can read your mind, divine your intent, or hear what you say say you clearly. Many of these spirits were never human and their hearing is not so good. Misunderstanding do happen.

I know neo-Wiccans want to glue feathers to their arms and prance around as "The Morrigan" or "Odin"or whatever mythological figure they worship recently, but for sorcery, it's a bad idea to mix too much of your personality and fantasies with "magic". Live a normal life. All of this has to be integrated.

If they somehow manage to get powerful allies - it they make it that far - from a trad sorcery perepctive, it has too much blending with their egos, and whatever comes knocking. If they get to that point. Best to minimize that by keeping these seperate from your head and a keep normal very mundane personality to drive around in externlaized consensus reality "out there".

I hope that helps.

Man your posts feel extremely "airy"...like highly intellectual but extremely hard to grasp...for me at least

I'm neurodivergent so that might play a role or my brain might just be not operating at peak performance lol 10 concussions/TBIs will do that to ya on occasion

 

[MorganBlack]

What did you expect, dude?

This forum is about 99% theoretical, as it has to be.

The real stuff, the actual praxis, is best communicated in person.

I'm just here to encourage people to pick up the grims, stop listening to LARPers herding simps to monetize in their stupid cults, pick up a wand occasionally, and evoke some daimons. That's about it.

 

[FireBorn]

To me they are divine intelligences. Not evil, just amoral.

Of all the great points, thoughts, theories offered here, one thing stands true for me, when in the presence of a spirit like that, all the philosophy and historical stuff melts. Just me and a presence so old, so powerful, my body feels the presence somatically. Doesn't give a crap about candles, Latin, process, or my feelings. All that remains is the true me, not ego, not knowledge. Just the real shit. Do I stand, or do I fold? Do I fight my nervous system that is screaming run away? Do I stay sovereign, or do I worship, or banish?

Those choices matter a million times more than historicity or philosophy, or what a grimoire says.

What are they exactly? If you had THE answer, would it change you? Would it change your practice? Would it change you?

What do you need them to be? They will meet you there. In my opinion, the rest doesnt matter.

Just my take. I'm totally fine with it being wrong, or just not popular.

 

[MorganBlack]

Good to see you here, FireBorn.

And agreed there! That is a huge topic, ya'll and the crux of much of this stuff.

Fr. Maximagus. Oh, If you need something more practical as entry point , a while back I posted this approach to the daimons of the Grimorium Verum using more simple Conjure style "spells" . It is not the only entry point into the GV, there are number of them, but once you read, then apply, and experiment.

From a quick search just now I see some people are doing what I hoped, and are running with it. Mission accomplished. The demons are satisfied... for now (kidding, kidding)

JSK Verum: Conjureman Ali - 'Verum Hoodoo Results' (2011)

I'm glad people are interested in the Grimorium Verum again. I was not aware it was on anyone's radar much. I hope this unedited Yahoo Groups post from Conjureman Ali (albertgreat27 ) from 2011 will be useful to those starting to explore the Verum “system” as JSK would sometimes phrase it...

wizardforums.com

 

[Fr. Maximagus]

What did you expect, dude?

This forum is about 99% theoretical, as it has to be.

The real stuff, the actual praxis, is best communicated in person.

I'm just here to encourage people to pick up the grims, stop listening to LARPers herding simps to monetize in their stupid cults, pick up a wand occasionally, and evoke some daimons. That's about it.

I mean I can understand most of the theory on here I'm not dumb but there's a few here like you and kepler who I try to understand but repeatedly fall short lol

That's not a dig btw, if anything I'm pointing out my own intellectual shortcomings lol

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Good to see you here, FireBorn.

And agreed there! That is a huge topic, ya'll and the crux of much of this stuff.

Fr. Maximagus. Oh, If you need something more practical as entry point , a while back I posted this approach to the daimons of the Grimorium Verum using more simple Conjure style "spells" . It is not the only entry point into the GV, there are number of them, but once you read, then apply, and experiment.

From a quick search just now I see some people are doing what I hoped, and are running with it. Mission accomplished. The demons are satisfied... for now (kidding, kidding)

JSK Verum: Conjureman Ali - 'Verum Hoodoo Results' (2011)

I'm glad people are interested in the Grimorium Verum again. I was not aware it was on anyone's radar much. I hope this unedited Yahoo Groups post from Conjureman Ali (albertgreat27 ) from 2011 will be useful to those starting to explore the Verum “system” as JSK would sometimes phrase it...

wizardforums.com

Thanks man I'll definitely check it out!

 

[MorganBlack]

Few can get specific about their own practice here.

If somehow it veers into practical discussions the thread will often get mobbed with grifers who want to "debate you" unless you by pay lip service to their highly specific and preferred 5-minute old "tradition".

You have a digital Library of Alexandria here at your disposal. Go digging.

The history, theory and practice here is more than enough to get you started.

The real secrets will communicated to you by the spirits you evoke.

 

[Sabbatius]

Interesting observation, since all of them include the word "daimon." It’s very similar to the distinction made in Catholic doctrine, which separates angels from fallen angels (the popular demons), but both kinds are still angels — just as in ancient Greece, they were all daimons.

Daimon δαίμων literally translates to "god, power, spirit, fate" which is virtually an incorporeal entity, or basically a spirit.

Sabbatius, let me add in here a rider that the term 'Kakodaimon' does not apply to the daimons of the grims. They are not "demons" as most people think of what that means, but they can be.

The only definition of a Daimon that would come near to a Grim would be a Fate of some sort, whereas many Grim by association could be likened to a ψυχοπομπός, or Psychopomp.

 

[MorganBlack]

whereas many Grim by association could be likened to a ψυχοπομπός, or Psychopomp.

Brilliant! I had not made that connection, Sabbaticus!!

Okay, okay!

The pact-based grims, like GV, are exceedingly chthonic in ritual structure and effect. The ritual effects are different than when using the Lesser Key... darker, more solid, and spooky, in all the best ways.

The chthonic grims are just a way, not The Way. There are magicians I have total and complete respect for who hate the GV.

I am very reticent to write on public forums about the more extreme theophanic manifestations using the GV, which are much more like being abducted by aliens than visionary mystical practices up or down a Tree. Newbies usually mistake the map for the territory.

I own a 3D animation company, and never plan to make money by dangling super-secrect decoder ring "intitaited prastices" * snort* to newcomers. . If I did then shortly, in Two Seasons of Stupid , new online simp-herders would appear talking ALL ABOUT how to be "abuducted by demons "in excrutiating details they cribbed but have no experience in, aside from tripping balls on fermented shark meat.

OK, JSK said he "does not do angels."

Well, I do not do aliens. However , while the The Phenomena may not exactly repeat, it certainly rhymes.

In his 1987 book Communion, Whitley Strieber was swamped with letters from readers about their encounters with "the Visitors" - and becasue of watching far too much Sci-Fi TV and mvoies, I think, they presumed these were extraterrestrial abductors.

In my view, being scintific materialsts, as we all are taught, TV and movies was one of the the only mythic space in 1950's - 1980's American psyche where the daimons could appear / form for them.

So, after reading thousands of letters and collating en enourmous number of correlations Anne Strieber,,Whitley’s wife, made a note at the top of a yellowed sheet of observations:

“This has something to do with what we call death, " she wrote.

One paranoraml writer who made this conenction wrote:

"Why would dead loved ones appear in alien abductions?
Why does western European faerie lore— describing those short, subterranean spirits fond of kidnapping children —so inextricably associate them with the dead?
Why do certain anomalous animals (i.e. cryptids) presage death?"

As goetic magicans we have all these facianting interconnected supernatural events, and they have a chthonic poetry to them that appears, from my long ritual engament with them, to be a feature, and not a bug.

You come to demons for the sorcery, but stay for the spiritual elevation you are surpised to find.

 

[Faria]

In his 1987 book Communion, Whitley Strieber was swamped with letters from readers about their encounters with "the Visitors" - and becasue of watching far too much Sci-Fi TV and mvoies, I think, they presumed these were extraterrestrial abductors.

I have not read his books, but many people have informed me that prior to Communion, Streiber was conjuring from the Goetia. I'm fairly certain he wasn't doing the full gig, but... probably not much different from what we usually see here in terms of practical components. Polish up those blasting rod end caps, avoid the anal probe.

 

[MorganBlack]

Bwhahhaa!!!

Black-handled knife folks, if doing the chthonic grims. Where we're going, not everything is nice out there. Diff ride.

Neat! I read somewhere the famous sci-fi editor Albert K. Bender ,in 1953, was visited by, and who then later popularized the "Men in Black". He met them after performing a "magic ritual." I don't have details but supposedly they gave him a "talisman" to call them again. I'm like, that tracks.

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Oh. One last thing.

File under, Why Even Bother.

Abductees will often come back with siddhis (powers), that tracks too. Not going to talk the ones I was given. That would seem crazy and I have no interest in starting yet another pop-magic cult or "LHP" demonic religion

There is no linear deterministic method to just order up a Underworld Initiation, like you're at Demonic Denny's .

And I'm not sure most people would want to.

Check your Saturn placement. Seriously. Goetia is Saturn and Mars heavy, with Moon as the Mistress over all . What is medicine for me could very well be poison for you.