Choosing the RHP

[zyfrtheFirst]

What motivations does one have to choose the RHP in this age of darkness.
To resist the forces that threaten the innocence of our Children?
To tap into the power of Michael and Gabriel, as well as the hosts of heaven?
To live in accordance with natural law, in the body of the creator?

 

[HoldAll]

I don't think anybody consciously chooses the RHP, it's kind of the default setting from which some people decide to take the LHP because it suits them better - it's not as if occultists would suddenly find themselves at a crossroads at one point and then be forced to make an irrevocable choice between good and evil, that's fiction. Defending the LHP as a valid ethical choice and debunking all the misconceptions about the LHP (or Satanism in all its forms, Luciferism, demonolatry, etc.) isn't my job and has been discussed in various forum threads anyway.

That Egocentrism thread made me think… bringing about the Age of Light and so on is basically a theosophical idea, before Blavatsky everyone was in it for themselves but after her, occultists generally fell in love with the general idea but secretly still were in it for themselves, until LaVey came along and preached to his fans that it was ok to be in it for themselves. The chaos magicians were in it for themselves right from the start, and now everybody is more or less openly in it for themselves.

Living a virtuous life as a servant of light, god or whatever alone won't help the children or heal the world one bit. 'Tapping into' (sounds disrespectful, are archangels milk cows or something?) the celestial powers still means you're in it for yourself - which is the very definition of the LHP. The RHP has always relied on religions for its general philosophy which also has been a major weakness because in this way, it inherited their hipocrical morals, like "We abhor black magic unless it's for the common good", "We don't curse people unless they're really evil", "I may be in it for myself but once I'm there (which may take several lifetimes) I will unselfishly help my fellow men", "I despise violence but some people shouldn't be allowed to…" etc.

As I said in the beginning: I don't think anybody cares much about the RHP. Or the RHP vs. LHP dichotomy, about which somebody with a chaos magic background like me never every gave a shit anyway.

 

[zyfrtheFirst]

. Defending the LHP as a valid ethical choice and debunking all the misconceptions about the LHP (or Satanism in all its forms, Luciferism, demonolatry, etc.) isn't my job and has been discussed in various forum threads anyway.

Yes. The motivations of the RHP seem trivial, but when examining the LHP motivations, they seem even moreso. Self-empowerment, protesting against the supposed slavery of religion, even being non-conformist, or 'freedom' are very shallow reasonings in my opinion. It seems like a counterculture bandwagon that now exists in Western Culture thanks largely to the work of some powerful satanists in Mass Media.

Living a virtuous life as a servant of light, god or whatever alone won't help the children or heal the world one bit. 'Tapping into' (sounds disrespectful, are archangels milk cows or something?) the celestial powers still means you're in it for yourself - which is the very definition of the LHP.

This isn't true. RHP magicians work against the most reprehenisble of forces. If the RHP magicians are given power by summoning Lucifer and Baal to advance an agenda in this world, then the RHP might as well as summon Michael and Gabriel in order to resist them. This isn't selfish it's for the sake of the good in the world. I don't even have children. These demons go mad with power, and run around totally unchecked, and sometimes need to be reminded that there is order in this Universe.

I don't mean to offend; I can see virtue in both sides, and anyway, people are born into their roles in a war, they don't choose them

 

[Wintruz]

What motivations does one have to choose the RHP in this age of darkness.
To resist the forces that threaten the innocence of our Children?
To tap into the power of Michael and Gabriel, as well as the hosts of heaven?
To live in accordance with natural law, in the body of the creator?

This is sounding like an uninitiated, very exoteric understanding of the Right Hand Path. "Adapt yourself to 'natural law'" (a hugely complicated and misleading term which Aquinas was definitively wrong about by the terms of his own logic). "Fear what something might be doing to children". "Depend on someone else to protect you".

Why would a person reject that collection of ideas? For the same reason they reject the stupefying forces of consumerism, the lies of totalitarian ideologies and other fantasies told to keep the Abyss/Reality at bay.

Some consciousnesses are adult (this has nothing to do with the age of the body). You cannot force an adult back into being a dependant child again, that time has passed. The hallmark of an adult is responsibility: you are answerable to yourself and those you are responsible for, not a celestial Santa Claus, for how well/poorly you manage your household. This is perfectly compatible with an initiated, esoteric understanding of the Right Hand Path (at a certain level, RHP/LHP collapse into each other anyway, they're both about the refinement of consciousness) but it's not compatible with shirking responsibility, cowering around a night light and telling oneself soothing stories.

Most humans are not adults yet. They're at the psycho-spiritual level of young teenagers, loving freedom but not yet understanding that freedom has to be exercised with wisdom. There are obvious problems with this and the world is starting to live through them. For all of its problems, however, it is a step beyond returning to the nursery.

 

[Ziran]

What motivations does one have to choose the RHP in this age of darkness.

1 tiny spark defeats the darkness and nothingness is self-defeating

 

[zyfrtheFirst]

Some consciousnesses are adult (this has nothing to do with the age of the body). You cannot force an adult back into being a dependant child again, that time has passed. The hallmark of an adult is responsibility: you are answerable to yourself and those you are responsible for, not a celestial Santa Claus, for how well/poorly you manage your household. This is perfectly compatible with an initiated, esoteric understanding of the Right Hand Path (at a certain level, RHP/LHP collapse into each other anyway, they're both about the refinement of consciousness) but it's not compatible with shirking responsibility, cowering around a night light and telling oneself soothing stories.

That is neither here, nor there. And it's not you, and you, don't know what to do.

I appreciate how some people can feel totally helpless. and incompetent but being insane can hardly be the answer.
Completeness comes in many forms, and if you are not complete, then it doesn't matter what stories you tell yourself.
Scary or not, soothing or convenient, none of it matters if you don't understand your place.

 

[Beyond Everything]

As a creator, supreme god simply does not exist, there's a great deal of delusion in many of those paths that follow under the theoretical rubric of the RHP.

People are manipulated by egregores that give them experiences of so-called 'divine' energies. This is NOT the same as transmutation into immortality. The evidence for those few keen enough to grasp it is the miniscule number of humans who have achieved liberated immortality as compared to the large number of people over the centuries involved in these dogmas/egregores/practices.

 

[MorganBlack]

Meh. Nothing exists. Well, I do, but the rest of you, I'm not so sure about.

I will ask the question: what are you bringing into illusionary existence in this high fidelity video game we're all playing?

What are you teaching the illusionary intelligence (spirits) to be? What are you shaping yourself to be? What are patterns are you reinforcing in the Sheldrakeian Morpheogenic Field, increasing the probability others in your region of the illusion will experience those illusionary forms.

The way I think of "RHP" (not a term I use) are those practices that choose to focus on as their reason-to-be, and add back in what modern magic often leaves out : love, grace, beauty, creativity, hope, forgiveness, kindness.

None of which exist either, but are far far too often missing in modern magic ideas, and which I prefer to have around in my fake experience being a fake person.

 

[Beyond Everything]

The way I think of "RHP" (not a term I use) are those practices that choose to focus on as their reason-to-be, and add back in what modern magic often leaves out : love, grace, beauty, creativity, hope, forgiveness, kindness.

Centuries of these egregores and the world is what it is. I think that is prima facie evidence something is very off.

If you need magic to make you behave decently towards people in ordinary life, I don't know what to say. These behaviors are not derived from 'up high' as these metaphysics are often savage (sometimes sublimated or self-directed savagery but still). By ye fruits n all.

 

[MorganBlack]

Magic is a mirror, kid. You make of the world what you are.

 

[Beyond Everything]

Magic is a mirror, kid. You make of the world what you are.

If you want to deny the condition of the world over 1000s of years, you're welcome to whatever makes you feel more comfortable.

 

[MorganBlack]

I bet you're a blast to go to movies with, BE.

We watching Star Wars. BE jumps up screaming "Lies! Chewbacca, is just a GUY in a SUIT!! You deluded fools! It's all EG-REE-GORES!

The rest of us.
"Uh-huh. Sooooo... home schooled, huh ? First time outside? Where is the egregore touching you?

Heh. Just fucking with you, BE.

But seriously. It's very, very bad manners, and boorish, to call my deliberately illusionary friends out as illusions. It just pisses them off.

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I'm taking an chance. so if there are any other sniveling, hysterical chuds here who want to hyperventilate,. please don't OK. We good?
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A via-positiva and snapshot of what a 'RHP' mystic looks like, albeit a Catholic mythic framework, , I recommend 'W' of St. Anthony's Tongue.

Mysticism is a practice. The part of your body where works in your Heart. Not your Intellect. So need to take any of literally.

And before and LHP vampires start screaming "It burns, it burns. I cast... Disbelieve!!" Just chill, dudes. W is super magician-positive.

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[Beyond Everything]

I bet you're a blast to go to movies with, BE.

We watching Star Wars. BE jumps up screaming "Lies! Chewbacca, is just a GUY in a SUIT!! You deluded fools! It's all EG-REE-GORES!

The rest of us.
"Uh-huh. Sooooo... home schooled, huh ? First time outside? Where is the egregore touching you?

Heh. Just fucking with you, BE.

But seriously. It's very, very bad manners, and boorish, to call my deliberately illusionary friends out as illusions. It just pisses them off.

Post automatically merged: Tuesday at 7:32 PM

I'm taking an chance. so if there are any other sniveling, hysterical chuds here who want to hyperventilate,. please don't OK. We good?
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A via-positiva and snapshot of what a 'RHP' mystic looks like, albeit a Catholic mythic framework, , I recommend 'W' of St. Anthony's Tongue.

Mysticism is a practice. The part of your body where works in your Heart. Not your Intellect. So need to take any of literally.

And before and LHP vampires start screaming "It burns, it burns. I cast... Disbelieve!!" Just chill, dudes. W is super magician-positive.

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It's amusing that you characterize my words on the screen as sniveling and hysterical. What would motivate you to project in that way? What could it be?

 

[MorganBlack]

Cute, kid.

Do you even need to ask , BE?

Because I think you're a 14 year old who wandered in here just to snivel, cry-bully, and complain with stupid shit.

 

[Beyond Everything]

Cute, kid.

Do you even need to ask , BE?

Because I think you're a 14 year old who wandered in here just to snivel, cry-bully, and complain with stupid shit.

Your clairvoyance needs some work

 

[MorganBlack]

Never said I was psychic, kid.

But you got me, tween. Muh feels! Good one. Now, do get back on your little red scooter and find more age-appropriate venues.