Why are abrahamic religions like Judaism, Christianity and Islam so hateful against polytheism?

[KjEno186]

Protestants vs. ex-Protestants.

Exactly. I fully recognize that the flaw exists within me. In reading Girard, I recognize the danger of scapegoating. Jesus taught forgiveness, and this is a practice which I never learned properly in my youth, unfortunately. The whole world could benefit from this teaching.

In my defense, I will admit to sacrificing a few sacred cows on the altars of satire in my effort to make a point or three, even if that puts a few highly regarded mythological figures into lewd situations with household gods. I have a couple of elderly parents in the house who are dutifully studying their dogma at this moment, and they would be quite offended by everything I have ever written on this website, being the "good Christians" they convince themselves to be. There is more Christianity in the writings of Neville Goddard, for example, than most churches, but they would consider his books "foolish".

 

[MorganBlack]

This is going to sound harsh. Apologies up front.

In my view, this discussion is grown from the same fetid soil watered with the tears of American occultists being taught by the Wicca to modern pagan revivalism through line with all that Blavatsky-to-Hitler 'race-soul' horseshit (this is different than you own ancestral line, honor them, but that's not just about blood).

Look at how they have been taught to worship their home countries, Ireland, Scotland, Germany, the UK, wherever, as suburban white kid Shangri La. The place were "real" magic resides. Ya'll be bi-locating and shit.

Let me just say, that Old World Horror Show is some bleak-ass shit. Not that we don't have our own super fucked-up issues here, but as an American I really don't care what people did back in their home countries. You come here, you learn to be American , you are an American. Leave all those European and Eurasian tribal animosities, and do-or-die resource competition in the EU-Eurasian killing fields behind.

In the early 20th century was a French writer vising textile factories in New England. He asked if the Anglo people working there were 'Indians.' The Land here will put it mark on you and your descendants. Your bones are made of the same material in this New World garden of blood and bones as mine. Leave that nightmare world behind. In my view, if you come here you are Mestizo, like the rest of us. Welcome. Just stop being so damn haunted by the ghosts of Empires past. You are New World too. So make something new.

 

[Ziran]

And jews aren't indiscriminately killing and starving muslims now (with majority support in Israel).

I would be very happy to discuss it, but first, may we agree that polytheism is irrelevant when considering "Genocide of Palestinians by Zionists"?

a long, genocidal history

Please forgive me, I'm not a student of world history.

not ancient history either, as East Timor and current Africa attest

Please provide a little more detail? Something I can more easily google-search?

And jews aren't indiscriminately ...

How does one judge whether or not use-of-force is indiscriminate?

Lack of evidence, isn't evidence of a lack.

 

[AlfrunGrima]

And jews aren't indiscriminately killing and starving muslims now (with majority support in Israel).

The Jews I know personally here are not part of whats happens in the Middle East. They happened to be born in a line, live their life here and hate the war/killing/starving as much as we do. They never have been in Israel and never had the wish to go to. You can't tar every Jew with the same brush, that's pure antisemitism.

 

[Beyond Everything]

The Jews I know personally here are not part of whats happens in the Middle East. They happened to be born in a line, live their life here and hate the war/killing/starving as much as we do. They never have been in Israel and never had the wish to go to. You can't tar every Jew with the same brush, that's pure antisemitism.

Come on, presumably we are adults. That is not what I said (and Im ethnically Jewish myself, if that matters). The conflicts there are partially religiously based, however, and polling data has demonstrated most Israelis support ethnically cleansing Palestinians. The Palestinians are hardly innocent and have a completely fucked up culture, but Israel has gone way over-the-top in their response IMO. Middle east is a hellhole though on so many fronts.

My point was that religion is once again nurturing mass violence, and these are egregores people think will bring them real peace and enlightenment in their lives, as opposed to pacification and slavery.

 

[MorganBlack]

This kind of conversation is popular on WitchTok as the Oppression Olympics for social media clout. It just makes everything stupider. But I suspect many of us are all just having fun for LULZ. Which I can't argue with. Literally

Polytheists are have no moral high-ground to stand on. Indian polytheists killed up to a million "Abrahamists," by some estimates, in the Partition of 1947. I see no evidence Polytheism make you any less violent, and they killed tens of thousands of people in recent history . For instance, in the 1983 Nellie Massacre, around 1,600 to 2,000 Muslims were killed by their Hindu village neighbors. I am also not making a truth claim Indians are any more or less violent than anyone else.

We can go on , but my real point is that religion is not a very good metric to measure the human potential for violence. All it takes is for any number of triggers for a civilization to enter Mass Psychosis and become violent.

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[Anasa]

History decided.A nation flee everywhere,whether they need a ONE god to unite themself?

Religion is best course to do anything.

 

[AlfrunGrima]

Come on, presumably we are adults. That is not what I said (and Im ethnically Jewish myself, if that matters). The conflicts there are partially religiously based, however, and polling data has demonstrated most Israelis support ethnically cleansing Palestinians. The Palestinians are hardly innocent and have a completely fucked up culture, but Israel has gone way over-the-top in their response IMO. Middle east is a hellhole though on so many fronts.

Maybe the main problem is that humans are humans and humans are quite violent beings. And use religion as a reason to be violent or as a instrument to oppress and take power over another society.

 

[Yazata]

Funny how every time this kind of topic comes up it's called "Abrahamic religions" and then Christianity and Judaism are the only two mentioned. Never a bad word about the LGBT friendly, women idolizing followers of Muhamad.

 

[morganlefay]

I think monotheistic religions tend to be rooted more in control. There are some exceptions of course, but from my understanding of history, monotheistic religions have exercised more control over peoples lives and bodies than polytheistic ones ever did. Both types of paradigms had empires, but the legacy of colonialism as we know it was really driven my monotheistic evangelism.

 

[MorganBlack]

I think monotheistic religions tend to be rooted more in control

I used to think that. But only five years ago I watched almost 100% of my pagan polytheist friends go full totalitarian, and become full-throated cheerleaders for inflicting the worst state economic, social , and physical violence to enforce their solutionism to the pandemic. Some "famous" magicians online did too.

And to this day they still self-identify as "the good guys." Self-awareness may not be their strong suit. That was when I decided, whatever they are doing in their spiritual practices, it's just not working for them.

 

[Beyond Everything]

I think monotheistic religions tend to be rooted more in control. There are some exceptions of course, but from my understanding of history, monotheistic religions have exercised more control over peoples lives and bodies than polytheistic ones ever did. Both types of paradigms had empires, but the legacy of colonialism as we know it was really driven my monotheistic evangelism.

This is exactly correct. Borne out by history over and over.

and become full-throated cheerleaders for inflicting the worst state economic, social , and physical violence to enforce their solutionism to the pandemic.

You're probably unaware, but the health care system in the US was actually close to collapse. Comparing some temporary measures to -say- the New World genocide of non-christians is reductio ad absurdum at its finest.

 

[MorganBlack]

What U.S. healthcare system? We don't have one. We have a private profit control system . And one that these self-proclaimed good guys see no issue with pumping up more with their own religious identities. Sadly their use of myths make them tools for the U.S. oligarchy, from what I have seen.

 

[PolishTruthSeeker]

Funny how every time this kind of topic comes up it's called "Abrahamic religions" and then Christianity and Judaism are the only two mentioned. Never a bad word about the LGBT friendly, women idolizing followers of Muhamad.

I mentioned Islam somewhere.

 

[MorganBlack]

The argument about whose religion is worse is a red-herring.

All of them can be terrible when weaponized. This is like debating whether tapeworms and ticks are really worse than lice and boll weevils , based on whose damage is more valid. Like come on. That's ridiculous.

(Side note. In the US. I am actually more concerned about right-wing evangelicals than neopagans with pitchforks. Catholic church burning aside. Stop that. -Simply by fact there are only, like FIVE or so neopagans in the whole country. Many a little more, but not by much. Here they are mostly an internet phenomenon goading on anti-Catholic violence. )

Any religion can be weaponized. Myth is like radioactive plutonium for your brain. It's incredibly powerful but dangerous as fuck. When you do serious magical or mystical work, you're basically installing buttons in your limbic system, and hind-brain that can launch you into whole-brain experiences. That's the point. We're narrative creatures and we need these mythic modules to get caught up in something bigger than ourselves. But there's a catch. Once those buttons are installed, anyone who knows the right narratives, imagery, and feeling-clusters can press them. You become more hackable unless you maintain a broad level of self-awareness.

Look at neopagans screaming about "the Abrahamists" in perfect unison, like NPCs running the same script. Or think about Hitler, a failed artist who turned dark shaman, weaving stories that hit so deeply with a wounded nation that he turned them into genocidal white supremacists. That's the dark side of mythic possession. It bypasses your critical thinking and makes you dance to someone else's puppet strings when they weaponize the archetypes you've installed.

The solution isn't to avoid myth, you'd be spiritually neuterued without it. But you need broad self-awareness to keep from getting possessed by your own narrative tools. Install multiple mythic frameworks, practice watching yourself while you're in ritual, come back to boring normie reality afterwards, and recognize when someone's using your installed butttons like a missle launcher. Myth is a very powerful tool when used consciously, but should not be a backdoor that turns you into someone's remote-controlled robot.