I find the same reaction is valid as well. I became interested in saying a prayer that uses 36 of the 99 names in my daily practice (which was esoteric Christian/astrological in origin) and the Islamic prayer was not very accessible, even though it is supposedly to the same deity. It seems that you can't just mix and match according to one's personal oreferences. Alas, I haven't been able to anyway...currently the answer is barely. Allah went against a sleeping angel for years and got himself defeated when the angel woke up. After that muslims globally became a lot less lucky, their faith started dismantling from the inside.
the 99 names of allah is how muslims define god, which is very bad if you understand the concepts of god. Its not really pointed out but in islam you are a slave to allah basically giving your soul to him, which is not something god would do but a devil. There is a nice excerpt at the start in the demonic bible about what the deities of religions are.
This is why i do not recommend mixing religious spirituality/magick with practice, because of the conditions the deities impose on their practitioners. Theres a lot of history of how things developed into what they are but not all of it is written scripture.
They are definitely not the same deity. The spirits who come from there are so completely different than Christian. When you tune into a different system like from Christian to islamic, it's like another frequency, energy. To connect well you'd have to make a full switch, tuning in takes a while. It completely changes and alters thinking once you are more connected to it. I remember suddenly getting incredibly desire to study Arabic and a strange love for the muslim world, it was really weird. It "downloads" a different program and changes the mindset.Christian/astrological in origin) and the Islamic prayer was not very accessible, even though it is supposedly to the same deity
This thing feels like an egregore and or with some spirits behind it. It works well only if you do the practices on a massive scale. Then the recitation of 99 names and others turns into some kind of a credit for what you can get benefits, the problem is that it is extremely demanding. The rituals where you have to recite a name, dhikr, salawat or a verse x number of times over x number of days, they are crazy.slave
I don't find this surprising if you're not a Muslim or at least born into Islam. You're not "known" there and likely don't understand the mindset. The fact of some Muslim practices originating in Christian ones doesn't make them inherently so, there have been centuries of development. Islam is a system of its own, not just a brown Christianity. Same way I don't see how one would be able to just up and do Christian magic without a background in the religion or a connection of some kind.I find the same reaction is valid as well. I became interested in saying a prayer that uses 36 of the 99 names in my daily practice (which was esoteric Christian/astrological in origin) and the Islamic prayer was not very accessible, even though it is supposedly to the same deity. It seems that you can't just mix and match according to one's personal oreferences. Alas, I haven't been able to anyway...
Colour me stupid, but along the same lines of "they aren't same deity" and the "spirits who come from there are so completely different than Christian", I have a few questions that might not make sense. Why wouldn't they be the same deity despite having the same names? Allah just means God in Arabic and several Hebrew names of God in Islamic occult texts have such as El, Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh and even the short-form of the Tetragrammaton,Yah are utilised. Could it be that approaching a deity in a certain way changes how they present themselves?They are definitely not the same deity. The spirits who come from there are so completely different than Christian. When you tune into a different system like from Christian to islamic, it's like another frequency, energy. To connect well you'd have to make a full switch, tuning in takes a while. It completely changes and alters thinking once you are more connected to it. I remember suddenly getting incredibly desire to study Arabic and a strange love for the muslim world, it was really weird. It "downloads" a different program and changes the mindset.
Using both at the same time is almost impossible because both of them start pulling you in their directions. I used to do it all the time but things started screwing pretty badly in head. It's one of those things that could be put into the post "Magic and madness". This method can completely demolish your psyche and you go mad.
This thing feels like an egregore and or with some spirits behind it. It works well only if you do the practices on a massive scale. Then the recitation of 99 names and others turns into some kind of a credit for what you can get benefits, the problem is that it is extremely demanding. The rituals where you have to recite a name, dhikr, salawat or a verse x number of times over x number of days, they are crazy.
I did rituals with these and it felt like more or less full time or at least a part time job. Yes for some people it it alright because they enjoy doing it and it works for them. One of the benefits with these 99 names is that they can make you extremely sensitive to energy work, they clear out the channel, especially the hot ones, and you start feeling more, a sense of strong increased awareness.
I was told by some guys that the spirits behind the 99 names and dhikr, it's about connecting and resonating on the same frequency so the spirits behind it start considering you as their own. Then if you need something you get support, if you are mad then they act on your behalf. I had these kinds of experiences too.
MaybeCould it be that approaching a deity in a certain way changes how they present themselves?
This is sort of what I meant. Abrahamic religions require much more adherence than others, Islam in particular, given the requirements it has of its followers. Islam is no Judaism, but if you're in it, there's a high standard to uphold. So no wonder some will not see any results.When I first started experimenting with them (Christian system, islamic and also the book of Mormon).
I noticed all 3 had something different behind them, the energy, frequency. Book of Mormon felt like a subsystem of the Christian thing, this did not collide so much with the bible on an energy level. I suppose it's because of the key power name Jesus in there.
I could not understand what was going on because I thought of the same thing ilah/Allah being the word for god, why would they manifest so differently? Why would they alter the mindset so much, I did not approach them as somebody who would say "this is the absolute truth".
I switched from A to B to C, back and forth, mixed 2 or 3 together, even added Hinduism to it.
At some point I remember trying to do saint work while being in high connection to the islamic system. The icons did not work so well anymore. They felt like art pieces. Then I switched back to Christian practices and soon again a very strong connection formed, saint stuff worked great again. Being in a high connection to system A can make it very hard to switch to B.
Then I got this kind of an idea. There is a garden with trees, each tree represents a different religion. The person working with one goes under that tree, turns into a tree branch and is connected to it. The more practices the stronger this connection gets. I think we all come from the source, and god is within us and the source. Everything else is between in there.
The network example, they are like servers and you are a PC. You just plug into a network. First you establish the connection with maybe a really poor connection, lagging wifi, then it turns into high speed optical fiber. You might be able to use all of the networks or the connection to one solidifies too much and the others will not work well anymore. Prayers, mantras, they are packets being sent and received. Programs are being downloaded, installed, replaced, erased.
There was one practitioner who said islamic stuff is just a grimoire/spiritual science, rituals, and Allah is a deity.
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I remember a case like this. I worked mainly with the psalms all the time and some sufi suggested working with the 99 names and verses. I did some rituals and at some point due to the heavy mess in head decided to cut them out for a while. Somebody came into my dream and was disappointed saying "why are you going back to that?".
Sure I must have offered a feast, generated a lot of thought forms whatever and then cut it off, somebody was not happy about it.
Obviously these things want that energy. Deity, spirits, the Quranic pious jinn whatever they call them, just want that energy. In sufism there are some contracts even made where the practitioner has to read a certain number of verses daily, weekly or between the new moon/full moon, something.![]()