Are demonized pagan gods of the Goetia their own being or apart of the original deity?

[MorganBlack]

ratfucked representation of the original spirits

Da hell?

I’ve used the GV since the 1990s, not the Lesser Key, but even "ratfucked" or not the LK spirits are still teaching magicians the arts and sciences, logic, ethics, and eloquence.

Funny, as a Grimorium Verum practitioner, I originally felt exactly the same way about the WitchTok Demonolators when they first arrived about ten years ago. I was afraid the demons' fangs, balls, and dignity would be castrated. I wanted the daimons, and still do, as the Strange Other. At first I was like, 'Great, now we have to wade through this added astral layer made of effete LARPing simp effluvia before we can reach the actual daimonic intelligences. Thank God I had my allies before they came along to piss in the astral pool.'

I have more inclusive models now how it may work, but it turns out, it’s all far more synergistic than my earlier more linear, single-telephone line model.

So there’s a magician/author who has pacted with Bune since about 2004, long before the WitchTokBLARGotry theatre kids were around. With all the added minds - even with their weak-willed performativity - the "Office" called Bune just takes their energy (meaning their added attention, the coin of the spirit realm) and comes through even stronger for the grim trad magican now. Perhaps the riitualized astral UI/UX of the Lesser Key is even stronger as well?. We are, in that sense , making all the layers and manifestation of the Office of Bune, and the other daimons, at the same time. WithTokers can have their Cuddle-bunny Beelzebuth , while I have my Death Beelzebuth. It's all good.

 

[sahgwa]

So theres the comparative mythology/religious studies approach that traces them as a lineage of old gods demonized by the church... and then theres actually interfacing with them through evocation. I can guarantee you that what ever you come into contact with using goetia proper is not a diety and is a demon by its nature. How that works I am not sure, but when you use solomonic magic to evoke Ashteroth it is not the same thing that you experience when you work with the goddess Astarte.

Maybe it's the difference between riding the bus and getting hit by the bus.
They are both the bus. But they are different aspects and energies of the bus.