Banishing Elemental Earth!!!

[Audiolog Edu]

Hello I practice Ogdoadic Magick and there is no ritual to Banish specific Elemental Force, we just Banish all of them in one single ritual, this way we get rid of these energies and set our space ready to work with, but lately Ive been reading Golden Dawn material, I got from this page Lyam Christophers book Kabbalah Magic and I liked the beggining in which he states the Neophyte must Banish Earth to get rid of Materialistic attachment, so he can pursue a more Spiritual goal.
Is there a problem if I do Ogdoadic Magick as my main tradition, but I use the LBRP to Banish Earth ? Some one told me the purpose of Elemental Magick, Banishing and Invoking is to Balance one, I understand, but then again I am a Neophyte and I do think I am still to much attached to Material means, and I ve seen improvements in my behavoir when I stopped the Ogdoadic practice, and did Golden Dawn Magick for a while, but now I am back to do Ogdoadic tradition.
Thank you.

 

[Yazata]

Hello I practice Ogdoadic Magick

I don't think you have mentioned that before.

Is there a problem if I do Ogdoadic Magick as my main tradition, but I use the LBRP

Every other system in the world seems to get along with the LBRP, so I don't see why you couldn't.

to Banish Earth

You banish things / entities from Earth.

I ve seen improvements in my behavoir when I stopped the Ogdoadic practice

Interesting

 

[HoldAll]

Scrolling through the Norman R. Kraft book as well as Phillips's and Denning's works, I get the feeling that Ogdoadic magic builds is either a further development of GD magic or builds on the same foundations, i.e. the Western tradition. I see that Ogdoadic magic uses the Hermetic Qabalah as well, so there should be no incompatibility between its philosophy and the LBRP.

Maybe a good idea would be to run 'elemental diagnostics' by performing Franz Bardon's

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to try to see what's really going on inside of you and your life. For example, a case could be made for the assumption that your penchant for partying is more indicative of a Fire preponderance (passion, reckless abandon) and not so much an Earth thing (Bardon disciples often describe their personalities in terms of elemental pairs, e.g. "Fire with Earth" or "Earth with Fire"). The importance of balancing the elements is stressed by many authors, and one of the purposes of the LBRP is to achieve just that.

 

[Audiolog Edu]

Scrolling through the Norman R. Kraft book as well as Phillips's and Denning's works, I get the feeling that Ogdoadic magic builds is either a further development of GD magic or builds on the same foundations, i.e. the Western tradition. I see that Ogdoadic magic uses the Hermetic Qabalah as well, so there should be no incompatibility between its philosophy and the LBRP.

Maybe a good idea would be to run 'elemental diagnostics' by performing Franz Bardon's

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to try to see what's really going on inside of you and your life. For example, a case could be made for the assumption that your penchant for partying is more indicative of a Fire preponderance (passion, reckless abandon) and not so much an Earth thing (Bardon disciples often describe their personalities in terms of elemental pairs, e.g. "Fire with Earth" or "Earth with Fire"). The importance of balancing the elements is stressed by many authors, and one of the purposes of the LBRP is to achieve just that.

Hello, I am reading again Lyam Christopher and he states that "The student of Magick must seek to have a naturally clear mind, that only appears when the materialistic wishes, beliefs and false perceptions have been eliminated", he explains this in his 2nd chapter, when he introduces the student to the LBRP, and in his curriculum the student must practice LBRP with the Banishing of Elemental Earth for 6 months.

 

[Amur]

You can note from the banishment earth pentagram that it goes from Earth back to Spirit. So in this sense it's a link between Earth & Spirit.

 

[Audiolog Edu]

You banish things / entities from Earth.

Interesting

As I understand I can banish the Elemental Earth, I did not meant Earth as in the planet, sorry if it misunderstood and the last one about improvements in my behavior, not that Ogdoadic tradition did not influenced or get me into a better attitude, it did, but the Lyam Christopher method is working with certain psychologic understanding of things I did not comprehend from the Aurum Solis method and I liked how he Banish Earth for 6 months with the purpose of detaching to materialism.

 

[HoldAll]

To my mind, 'to banish' something means to eradicate something completely which is impossible in the case of elements - there will always be Earth inside of you, you wouldn't be able to survive without it otherwise. Any rituals you do will thus only diminish an undesirable domination by Earth but not completely remove it.

Another approach to elemental balancing could be displacement - instead of striving to decrease the excessive influence of one element you could try to place more emphasis on the one you're lacking. Say according to the Soul Mirror exercise I mentioned above you have determined that you have too much Earth in you but not enough Water, so instead of painting wonky pentagrams in the air 'to banish Earth', you could start noticing the action of Water in real life, e.g. whenever you take a shower - feel the touch of water on your skin, notice its flow, how it easily changes shape depending on the surfaces it touches (Earth, on the other hand, is highly sluggish in this regard), so the point of the exercise would be becoming more flexible and stopping being rigidly set in one's ways and/or bad habits. Just an idea.

 

[Adelina]

In Natural Philosophy 4 Elements are compared to 4 brothers: you kill one and all of them die. If you successfuly "banish" one, all of them will be "banished".

However, material world is made of these 4 Elements, so with "banishment" of these 4 Elements the whole world will be "banished".

It shows, that you can't actually "banish" Elements. You can banish some local Spirits, but I doubt it will help with "detaching to materialism".

Golden Dawn is XXth century group, who made up all sorts of dubious quality semi-psychologic material. Recent discoveries of various old manuscripts (Greek Magic Papyri etc.) even more underlines that most of the material of Golden Dawn-like groups was made-up on the spot. Golden Dawn was made by bored aristocracy who likes to play the games with "detaching from material" and then living off numerous rents. I know what I am talking about because some decades ago I was member of one such Golden Dawn-like group and could clearly see all the stuff from the inside.

One of the ideas being imposed by "elites" is that Spiritual is separate from Material (so that people wouldn't start seeking power and would be stuck in psychological games). Ha, no! Spiritual and Material are inseparable, they are different levels of the same thing.

I know that such view isn't popular, but it isn't about popularity but about what you want to achieve from your practice. Is it some psychological result, existing mostly in your imagination, or is it something that will let you change world around you?

But in case you feel too much grounded, I can advice you change your diet. Eat less, don't eat meat (including fish), be picky with what you eat, and it will help you significantly.