Bardon's Bullshit 'Kabbalah'

[jzatopa]

I can attest to A-F and E-Z working as advertised. They have to be repeated every day as results are incremental.

E-I is weird. It never really increased how much I could lift. I didn't get a single extra rep after a weak of eating the formula every day.

What it did was fucking skyrocket my striking AND wrestling power (I do Aikido + MMA). The striking buff was so crazy that after a couple days I was hitting as hard as a heavyweight (I'm welterweight). This formula seems to make your whole body engage with whatever movement you do, adding crazy momentum to strikes without sacrificing technique. In wrestling, a wrestling instructor that could dip over twice my max weight told me I was physically stronger than him after a couple rounds of wrestling. He weighted about the same as me, if not slightly more.

The other ones you mentioned I never tested. Just my own 2 cents

Thank you for sharing. It's interesting to hear how it helped your martial arts much like a Qi Gong or Neigong.

I've dived into other locations of the applications, more attuned to healing and aligning others to enjoy oneness, God, Heaven and The Tao.

 

[Beyond Everything]

The first key takes the longest, as you need to work your way through all the preparatory exercises. I think about half a year for the first key. The second key was much easier and worked for me within a week. I never got around to testing every combination, just picked the handful I found more interesting and applied them practically.

Before you take this 'Divine Weapon' person seriously, you ought to be aware that he said on reddit that he would personally end the reign of Saturn and the Kali Yuga lol

I also wanted to rebel against saturn, who according to my birth chart had decreed that 1) I would never find love and 2) I would never become a powerful warrior.

This had proven true for a long, long time, despite my best efforts. So I created an electromagnetic sphere (a volt) to alter fate itself. What very quickly followed has been the best period of my life. I now aim to extend this victory to the macrocosm, so that his reign of terror is finally brought to a close, ending the Kali Yuga. God willing, I will fulfill my mission with the powers he has bestowed upon me.

 

[Divine Weapon]

Thank you for sharing. It's interesting to hear how it helped your martial arts much like a Qi Gong or Neigong.

I've dived into other locations of the applications, more attuned to healing and aligning others to enjoy oneness, God, Heaven and The Tao.

There's actually a lot of overlap, which is why I think Mark Rasmus designed his hybrid system. I never bought his courses, nor Bob Smith's, but they talk a lot about how stuff like the 'Light' is actually Shen, electric & magnetic fluids are really Yin & Yang qi mixed with vital energy, etc. In KTQ, these energies are controlled by letter B, and can be generated using that letter for storage in the lower dan tian. I can't confidently say that the energies are fully translatable, but they at least feel quite similar in my own practice (I used to practice Damo Mitchell's Nei Gong system and finished ''A comprehensive guide to Daoist Nei Gong''' a couple years ago, until I figured out I could reproduce most of it's benefits rather easily with hermetics).

Before you take this 'Divine Weapon' person seriously, you ought to be aware that he said on reddit that he would personally end the reign of Saturn and the Kali Yuga lol

I also wanted to rebel against saturn, who according to my birth chart had decreed that 1) I would never find love and 2) I would never become a powerful warrior.

This had proven true for a long, long time, despite my best efforts. So I created an electromagnetic sphere (a volt) to alter fate itself. What very quickly followed has been the best period of my life. I now aim to extend this victory to the macrocosm, so that his reign of terror is finally brought to a close, ending the Kali Yuga. God willing, I will fulfill my mission with the powers he has bestowed upon me.

''Personally'' was something you added in yourself.

Is it wrong to want to fight tyranny? Are we still going to pretend, after Epstein, that global elites don't prey on children in weird rituals? Are magic powers not meant to be used for good, according to Bardon himself, as well as the Asclepius? Do you really think that I'm the only magician that feels this way, or that it's in any way discrediting?

I will be neither the first nor the last. I'm grateful to have met others who are on the same path, perhaps one day we'll be able to manifest a better world for us all.

As for the legitimacy of KTQ, anyone that has completed Step VIII of IIH can experiment and see for themselves.

 

[jzatopa]

Divine weapon, as someone who teaches much like Mark but from a different starting point, he taught me many things as well as learned from me (a sign of a great teacher).

I went from meeting God and then awakening onto the written works working from step 10 first so to speak of IIH, in a rarely observe phenomenon called a top down full Kundalini awakening. Really top and bottom didn't matter.

Now I use Bardons work to help delve deeper into the original works from which I teach Christ Yoga from.

Your call for Kali uge to end is close. We have a year and a bit for the next big AI move, that's going to change humans formal consciousness, thus changing the bet (house/womb/universe/body), much like plan B, so that what once could survive can no longer survive.

The call for the full integration and thus destruction of the universal human klipots is happening and you're right that it starts with you entering in the I Am space (AHYH).

It's clear this post started with someone who is very lost and doesn't realize that every letter on here, to be properly aligned, especially by the time you're doing KTQ, should be of heaven and heaving the earth or not used. Of course the human factor is still there for some of us for comfort and wiggle room in the modern era but the books won't open for someone who isn't intending to be love and give love to all things as God, except to move them towards that eventual fate depending on their incarnational plan so to speak.

Bardon did such an amazing job and so few realize how much further some of us have moved using his work, once it opened.

I've taught his work, I have hosted free Bardon festivals and meeting people doing it well is always such a pleasure.

 

[Beyond Everything]

Is it wrong to want to fight tyranny? Are we still going to pretend, after Epstein, that global elites don't prey on children in weird rituals? Are magic powers not meant to be used for good, according to Bardon himself, as well as the Asclepius? Do you really think that I'm the only magician that feels this way, or that it's in any way discrediting?

. I now aim to extend this victory to the macrocosm, so that his reign of terror is finally brought to a close, ending the Kali Yuga. God willing, I will fulfill my mission with the powers he has bestowed upon me.

lol your ridiculous words speak for themselves. There's so much stupidity and delusion in these two sentences. And why are you talking about ending the Kali Yuga, which in Hinduism is a cycle no one can affect? Just shows the muddled fantasy worlds Bardonites are inhabiting.

Funnily enough, I just demonstrated real intuitive powers. Once again, others can only claim they can do things.

 

[Lurker]

Is it wrong to want to fight tyranny? Are we still going to pretend, after Epstein, that global elites don't prey on children in weird rituals? Are magic powers not meant to be used for good, according to Bardon himself, as well as the Asclepius? Do you really think that I'm the only magician that feels this way, or that it's in any way discrediting?

I will be neither the first nor the last. I'm grateful to have met others who are on the same path, perhaps one day we'll be able to manifest a better world for us all.

Saturn is not a tyrant, it's the enforcer of boundaries. Unless you are experiencing non-dualistic union with the Divine, everything is finite and bounded, so there is no escaping Saturn. What most people do is work with Saturn to expand their boundaries.

As for the legitimacy of KTQ, anyone that has completed Step VIII of IIH can experiment and see for themselves.

That's right. Students can exceed teachers, so why not?

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That's right. Students can exceed teachers, so why not?

I might have lost the thread there . . . it's 'only' 144 posts . . . if that's not the original combination BE was ranting about.

 

[Divine Weapon]

. I now aim to extend this victory to the macrocosm, so that his reign of terror is finally brought to a close, ending the Kali Yuga. God willing, I will fulfill my mission with the powers he has bestowed upon me.

lol your ridiculous words speak for themselves. There's so much stupidity and delusion in these two sentences. And why are you talking about ending the Kali Yuga, which in Hinduism is a cycle no one can affect? Just shows the muddled fantasy worlds Bardonites are inhabiting.

Funnily enough, I just demonstrated real intuitive powers. Once again, others can only claim they can do things.

The Kali Yuga is directly, forcefully ended when Kalki and his army defeat the evil forces running the world.

Saturn is not a tyrant, it's the enforcer of boundaries. Unless you are experiencing non-dualistic union with the Divine, everything is finite and bounded, so there is no escaping Saturn. What most people do is work with Saturn to expand their boundaries.



That's right. Students can exceed teachers, so why not?

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I might have lost the thread there . . . it's 'only' 144 posts . . . if that's not the original combination BE was ranting about.

This probably deserves its own thread, but saturn is associated with figures like Chronus, who ate his own children over fear of losing power, and Moloch, to whom firstborns were sacrificed by burning in a fire. That sounds quite tyrannical to me, and more importantly, it's clearly the version of saturn that the elites are working for anyway. Bardon would say ''every planet has a positive and a negative pole, with beings belonging to either or something in the middle''. Well, I'm definitely against that negative pole.

Not to mention the figure people usually turn to for expansion is Jupiter. At least in the books I've read, saturn is the planet you work with when you want enforce boundaries, bind people, limit someone's power, etc.

 

[Frater M.M.]

There's actually a lot of overlap, which is why I think Mark Rasmus designed his hybrid system. I never bought his courses, nor Bob Smith's, but they talk a lot about how stuff like the 'Light' is actually Shen, electric & magnetic fluids are really Yin & Yang qi mixed with vital energy, etc. In KTQ, these energies are controlled by letter B, and can be generated using that letter for storage in the lower dan tian. I can't confidently say that the energies are fully translatable, but they at least feel quite similar in my own practice (I used to practice Damo Mitchell's Nei Gong system and finished ''A comprehensive guide to Daoist Nei Gong''' a couple years ago, until I figured out I could reproduce most of it's benefits rather easily with hermetics).

Yeah, I was actually wondering this myself. I didn't know Mark Rasmus but I had a quick look at him, and he did seem to be combining stuff. Very interesting to hear your comparison as you practised both.

In the dim distant past, I've only done some tai chi (wu and yang) and basic qigong (shibashi/brocades/standing post/a bit of meditation) but nothing like Damo's nei gong system (never even done MCO stuff) although I was tempted by it. What kind of benefits did you get out of Damo and what did you manage to reproduce with Bardon?

That's right. Students can exceed teachers, so why not?

I might have lost the thread there . . . it's 'only' 144 posts . . . if that's not the original combination BE was ranting about.

I believe it's this one: Joe-Hoe-W -- brings about perfect harmony in the mental, astral and material worlds … which then must result in perfect health.

 

[Beyond Everything]

The Kali Yuga is directly, forcefully ended when Kalki and his army defeat the evil forces running the world.

The Kali Yuga is a set number of years, and practicing little bardonian exercises will neither extend nor diminish that. lol

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The Kali Yuga is directly, forcefully ended when Kalki and his army defeat the evil forces running the world.



This probably deserves its own thread, but saturn is associated with figures like Chronus, who ate his own children over fear of losing power, and Moloch, to whom firstborns were sacrificed by burning in a fire. That sounds quite tyrannical to me,

That sounds quite stupidly literalist to me. You haven't gotten the first grasp on what these mythologies actually are.

 

[Lurker]

This probably deserves its own thread, but saturn is associated with figures like Chronus, who ate his own children over fear of losing power, and Moloch, to whom firstborns were sacrificed by burning in a fire. That sounds quite tyrannical to me, and more importantly,

It has its austere elements, but this is the New Aeon. No one is feeding babies to Moloch anymore. Death is a temporal boundary on life, which is why some people mistakenly see Saturn as purely malefic.

Bardon would say ''every planet has a positive and a negative pole . . ."

This is exactly what I was getting at. Saturn can constrict boundaries and Saturn can expand boundaries.

Not to mention the figure people usually turn to for expansion is Jupiter.

And how will that work if you don't expand your Saturnian boundaries first? The idea of planetary magic is that you should strive to have all of the planets working together in your life, not in conflict. Expand your boundaries and then you make room for expansion. Otherwise, you're creating conflict between your boundaries and your desire for expansion, i.e. you're making it harder than it needs to be.

At least in the books I've read, saturn is the planet you work with when you want enforce boundaries, bind people, limit someone's power, etc.

You certainly can, but you seem to be looking at the malefic aspects only. Like I said, Saturn is austere, so it rewards austere ethics, such as a Puritan work ethic. Why? Because it takes time for those things to pay off.

Do as you wish, of course, but like I said, there is no escaping boundaries - and therefore Saturn - in this existence.

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I believe it's this one: Joe-Hoe-W -- brings about perfect harmony in the mental, astral and material worlds … which then must result in perfect health.

Thanks!

 

[Divine Weapon]

Yeah, I was actually wondering this myself. I didn't know Mark Rasmus but I had a quick look at him, and he did seem to be combining stuff. Very interesting to hear your comparison as you practised both.

In the dim distant past, I've only done some tai chi (wu and yang) and basic qigong (shibashi/brocades/standing post/a bit of meditation) but nothing like Damo's nei gong system (never even done MCO stuff) although I was tempted by it. What kind of benefits did you get out of Damo and what did you manage to reproduce with Bardon?



I believe it's this one: Joe-Hoe-W -- brings about perfect harmony in the mental, astral and material worlds … which then must result in perfect health.

Main benefits came after learning to "fill" the LDT with yang qi. More energy and better health (stopped getting sick). Additionally, my voice got deeper, my personality became more assertive, and my body became slightly stronger.

I also began Damo's Nei Dan system and got as far as being able to rise the Jing through MCO and have it "drip" down the face. It would make my face look younger somehow, but that's as far as I got with it. I remember my eyes got really shiny lol.

I was able to reproduce all of these effects with the elements, except the perfect health. There was no skipping filling the LDT for that one, but I learned to do it much faster with the electric fluid & vital force.

The Kali Yuga is a set number of years, and practicing little bardonian exercises will neither extend nor diminish that. lol

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That sounds quite stupidly literalist to me. You haven't gotten the first grasp on what these mythologies actually

A number of years that isn't universally agreed upon, at the end of a process that has many years of buildup to it, and in which an army of humans joins Kalki in the final fight.

Like come on dude, this isn't rocket science.

You're desperate for a win I get it, anyone would be after getting trounced the entire thread like you have. But digging up old reddit posts... that's just pathetic lol.

It has its austere elements, but this is the New Aeon. No one is feeding babies to Moloch anymore. Death is a temporal boundary on life, which is why some people mistakenly see Saturn as purely malefic.



This is exactly what I was getting at. Saturn can constrict boundaries and Saturn can expand boundaries.



And how will that work if you don't expand your Saturnian boundaries first? The idea of planetary magic is that you should strive to have all of the planets working together in your life, not in conflict. Expand your boundaries and then you make room for expansion. Otherwise, you're creating conflict between your boundaries and your desire for expansion, i.e. you're making it harder than it needs to be.



You certainly can, but you seem to be looking at the malefic aspects only. Like I said, Saturn is austere, so it rewards austere ethics, such as a Puritan work ethic. Why? Because it takes time for those things to pay off.

Do as you wish, of course, but like I said, there is no escaping boundaries - and therefore Saturn - in this existence.

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Thanks!

"No one feeding babies to moloch anymore"

You're right, they just feed them to each other now.

It's also not "some people", saturn is explicitly stated to be the kakopoios, the Greater Malefic, in hellenistic astrology and all traditions that were influenced by it.

The end goal of hermeticism is to eventually trascend all limits by merging with the Monad.

I'm not saying "all saturn bad always". I'm saying the tyrants of this age are all clearly part of a weird cult that just happens to embody all of the worst aspects of this planet. There's benefits to saturn just as there are benefits to poison, you still don't want it ruling your society, let alone your planet.

I'm curious about boundary-expanding saturn magick though. I'm no expert in planetary magick, but the way I understood it, you used the sun or jupiter to break past saturn's boundaries until he set new ones and the cycle repeats all the way into omnipotence.

 

[Beyond Everything]

A number of years that isn't universally agreed upon, at the end of a process that has many years of buildup to it, and in which an army of humans joins Kalki in the final fight.

Like come on dude, this isn't rocket science.

No, there is no 'army of humans', and in any event as I said, you can't hasten the end of the Kali Yuga, it is set. And it is cyclical and keeps repeating- which points to the deeper metaphysical ideas behind it rather than your comic book version of events. Your claim you will help destroy Saturn and hasten the end the kali yuga is just absurd , from within the definitions of the terms you are working with.

That said, none of these religious ideas hold merit. Reality is a lot larger and stranger than any theological dogma.

You're desperate for a win I get it, anyone would be after getting trounced the entire thread like you have.

Actually my original point stands completely uncontested. Bardon made claims about the letters such as 'perfect health' that neither he nor anyone else manifests. Something is quite off with the whole thing, and real development of the individual is on another track.

 

[Lurker]

I'm curious about boundary-expanding saturn magick though. I'm no expert in planetary magick, but the way I understood it, you used the sun or jupiter to break past saturn's boundaries until he set new ones and the cycle repeats all the way into omnipotence.

C.f. Seven Spheres by Rufus Opus, although he does engage in some Old Aeon fear mongering.

It's generally accepted that a spirit that can do X can also do the opposite of X. That circles back to your quote of Bardon regarding every planet having a negative and a positive pole.

By calling upon Saturn to expand your boundaries, you have more room for (for example) Jupiterian abundance to fill the new space you've made.